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I've been pro Kenny all along but Im just back from some holidays and really depressed with whats happened this season.
Beaten in the final by Chelsea, finishing so low in the league even below Everton, winning so few games and scoring so few goals.
Rumours already starting about Skrtel, Reina etc wanting out.

My heart says Kenny should stay but Im starting to think the job is too big and long term for a 60 year old.

I really dont know what the answer is for this club anymore.

To answer the question Should Kenny Leave you need to look at how the sides performed and other aspects that Kenny has control of.

His signings - Charlie Adam was fantastic for Blackpool scored some very important goals and every side was after him Man Utd included.

Jordan Henderson - Fantastic Young talent England U21 captain and has shown promise recently

Stewart Downing - Was fantastic for Villa before we signed him i think if it wasnt for Ashley Young he would have got their player of the year 2010-2011.

Jose Enrique - What a start he had for the season has drifted off but he is very athletic and has alot of strength

Big Andy Carroll - Similar to Henderson Very young and has definetely showed alot of promise.

Luis Suarez - Say no more.

No one credit Kenny with the signings of Enrique or Suarez if they do not very many. He was extortiante prices yes but why did the owners sanction it.

The side has played very good football as we all know we have one of the best defensive records and have hit the bar/post many times. Many games we have drawn and even lost we should have won.

We have not got a terrible side. Remember we have Beaten United City Chelsea 3 times and Arsenal and Newcastle infact the only team above us we havent beaten is Tottenham we even have beaten Everton 3 times this year scoring 7 conceeding 1.

Kenny gets atleast another year to show that the poor season weve had is because of bad luck and a series of unfortunate events.

Remember 2 cup finals in his first full season. Man utd Tottenham Newcastle Arsenal Havent won anything this year.

Newcastle and either Chelsea or spurs will be playing in the europa league with us next year.

So lads and lasses get behind Kenny and the side. Because all those who preach to be Liverpools biggest fan you need to show it when we arent performing

This isn't about being Liverpool's biggest fan, its about putting a process in motion that will achieve the 5 year plan that GED and Rafa both failed at, winning the league. Kenny isn't going to be there for 5 years so we need a succession plan - thats all I've been saying. And with our ridiculous wage bill (average salary twice that of the Bitters and massively more expensive than Spurs) we need to have a clear plan to clear out before bringing in - and that takes a medium/long term manager - would you give a wad to a temporary manager?

We all support Kenny but it doesn't mean we can ignore the key issues, we need progress in those directions or the new stadium remains a dream.

Therefore your behind the signings of Carroll and Henderson ?? Both young players. If its 5 years time were looking at and not right now then why are people getting bent out of shape for finishing 8th surely they would be contempt as we are building a young side.

No its right now that people want to change and if you asked anyone and the answered honestly 90% would say they are looking for a quick fix to get us in the top 4 NEXT season. Besides if were looking at 5 years time the say goodbye to Suarez as he wont stick around.

I hope to get it through to some people that when we have failed people point the finger at Kenny. But what has he actually done wrong ?? The handling of Suarez but if he had gone the other way he would have been wrong and should have supported the player.

Last night I had a dream that the club replaced Kenny with Jurgen Klopp!

Of course I'm behind 'the principle' of buying Carroll and Henderson, which is what you focus on. We need top young lads to drive us forward and we had to replace Torres etc... The fact the big lad waited 15 months to play to his potential and Henderson likewise is only starting to come out of his shell is a different issue altogether. People are miffed about these two because the Bitters bought Fellani and Pienaar for a combined 11 million and have proved great value for money transforming the side. The moaners are right to question whether the lads are good enough, the way they've been selected/played and whether the team has been adapted to get the best out of them.

Of course people want a quick fix, but the company accounts don't allow that, yet again we're faced with the same issue of stadium or squad and this time we have to say stadium so we have to get rid of another 10 players before we can rebuild. The overheads aren't sustainable. Rafa had the same problem of course, no free money.

All Kenny's done wrong this season is be stubborn and not consider that the tactics didnt suit Carroll and admit that Downing is sh!te.

Its going to be at least at a 5 year rebuilding plan. 
First of all we need to qualify for the CL again.  Hopefully that will be next season.  Once we achieve that, we need to establish ourselves in the top 4.  (Spurs failed at that).
Then maybe we can start attracting some better players and competing for the title.

This is what worries me about leaving Kenny in charge.  He is not exactly young and the rebuilding is going take a lot of time.

jacdaniel » Mon May 14, 2012 10:29 am wrote:Its going to be at least at a 5 year rebuilding plan. 
First of all we need to qualify for the CL again.  Hopefully that will be next season.  Once we achieve that, we need to establish ourselves in the top 4.  (Spurs failed at that).
Then maybe we can start attracting some better players and competing for the title.

This is what worries me about leaving Kenny in charge.  He is not exactly young and the rebuilding is going take a lot of time.

he`s 10 years younger than ferguson

jacdaniel » Mon May 14, 2012 8:49 am wrote:I've been pro Kenny all along but Im just back from some holidays and really depressed with whats happened this season.
Beaten in the final by Chelsea, finishing so low in the league even below Everton, winning so few games and scoring so few goals.
Rumours already starting about Skrtel, Reina etc wanting out.

My heart says Kenny should stay but Im starting to think the job is too big and long term for a 60 year old.

I really dont know what the answer is for this club anymore.

the skrtel and reina rumours were all a load of ***** mate, skrtel had an operation on his nose and reina has got the mumps but as per usual someone tweets something for a laugh and next minute our fanbase is running around waving their arms in the air like extra`s in a 1950`s disaster movie.
the league form was abysmal, no one is denying that, apparently from christmas to the end of the season only wolves had worse form than us, if the season started at christmas we`d be down now. thats a sobering thought.
but the oldest adage in english footy is that the game is won and lost in central midfield and it`s true, going into this season our midfield wasnt the strongest anyway so losing gerrard for over half the season and lucas for practically the whole season meant there was always going to be some fallout from that.
if you look at a lot of our starting central midfield pairings especially in the last third of the season after adam got injured they are almost reserve team level partnerships. we have been poor this season but lets not forget with about a third of the season to go we were 4 points off 4th place and well in the hunt for a CL place, it was over the last 10 games that our form collapsed. i wouldnt mind but on paper our last 10 games looked great. i dont think it`s a coincidence that as the season went on and our midfield got weaker (as injuries took their toll) our results tailed off dramatically.
the likes of shelvey and henderson will be good players in the future but it`s just too soon for them, if you paired graeme souness and terry mcdermott together at 19 and 21 they wouldnt have won the league or even come in the top 4 in their era either, the likes of bryan robson, peter reid, arnold muhren, glenn hoddle etc would have dominated them, but they didnt sign for liverpool until they were 24 / 25 and entering their peak so all we saw was souness and mcdermott dominating everyone else.
our squad isnt great but injuries have f**ked us up this season, when we were 4 points of 4th with 10 or so games to go if we had gerrard and lucas in CM i think we would have got 4th given our run in and the form of the other sides.

some on twitter are linking Rafa with the  Aston Villa  job.

David‏@bonsall1978

@TonyBarretTimes is Kenny going tomorrow though? Not denying that one are you!!


17h Tony Barrett‏@TonyBarretTimes

@bonsall1978 Not that I'm aware of.

metalhead » Mon May 14, 2012 6:13 am wrote:SENTIMENTS aside, he deserves another season end off, this summer is crucial to make things right

Why does he deserve another season, what will he do different next season? Will he stop playing Henderson on the right or playing Adam every single match, maybe he'll finally develop a plan B or get some media training so that he doesn't come across as a "cantakerous smug git", not my words but the opinion of several neutral fansI've spoken to who have no particular like or dislike of the club.
I am absolutely certain that FSG will get rid of kenny, if not they will lose their money and we will cease to be a big club for a long long time to come.

heimdall » Mon May 14, 2012 1:59 pm wrote:

metalhead » Mon May 14, 2012 6:13 am wrote:SENTIMENTS aside, he deserves another season end off, this summer is crucial to make things right

Why does he deserve another season, what will he do different next season? Will he stop playing Henderson on the right or playing Adam every single match, maybe he'll finally develop a plan B or get some media training so that he doesn't come across as a "cantakerous smug git", not my words but the opinion of several neutral fansI've spoken to who have no particular like or dislike of the club.
I am absolutely certain that FSG will get rid of kenny, if not they will lose their money and we will cease to be a big club for a long long time to come.

I can see by your comments that you are not a businessman
It does not make sense to go to the expense of bringing someone new in at such short notice who will no doubt want to bring his own team and want to buy new players. This will not guarantee success and will be far more expensive than keeping KK and investing in a couple of new faces
They will give him one more season and review it at christmas. If its no good he will go, probably jumping rather than being pushed

Well we will know Daggers fate soon enough once these talks with Fenway are
done and dusted in the next 48 hours.

We can all move on then one way or another and start planning for next year
either with Kenny or someone else.

Doubt they're making him fly to Boston just so they can sack him.
Surely they'd have the decency to come over themselves if thats the route they want to take.