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Eagle » Sun May 13, 2012 6:13 pm wrote:Nonsense. The board have a responsibility to detach themselves from emotion towards individuals and make the best call for the club. The fans may have played a part in the removal of Hodgson and the timing but this is 18 months along and the board will make the best decision for the club regardless of what the mob want. I don’t know if they will remove Kenny or not but serious discussions need to be had and a big call to be made.

Where Eagles dare ....just not Anfield eh ?

joey's moment of madness on video:laugh: .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... a-red.html

your right joey it was never a red,you nutter    

Eagle » Sun May 13, 2012 6:13 pm wrote:

Seriously ,Where does this multitude that want Dalglish out truly exist ? As far as I can see its a handful of dissenters that loiter on forums
and frequent TalkSport phone lines ...... no one who will actually impel the board to sack Dalglish

Like i have stated till I am red in the gills ,It will be the Kop and the fans who pay their hard earned wedge who decide ,not and I repeat this
easily malleable generation of brainwashed Sky Sports devotees .

Nonsense. The board have a responsibility to detach themselves from emotion towards individuals and make the best call for the club. The fans may have played a part in the removal of Hodgson and the timing but this is 18 months along and the board will make the best decision for the club regardless of what the mob want. I don’t know if they will remove Kenny or not but serious discussions need to be had and a big call to be made.

we have beaten chelsea home and away, arsenal away (and even though we lost at home it was probably our best performance of the season), everton home and away (and at wembley), man city away in the cup, united at home in the cup and newcastle at home. in the league we drew against city and united at home and were the better side on the day in both games.
we got to the final of both domestic cup competitions and won our 1st piece of silverware in 6 seasons.
it`s been a poor season but not poor enough for a manager to lose his job imo.

red till i die!! » Sun May 13, 2012 6:30 pm wrote:joey's moment of madness on video:laugh: .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... a-red.html

your right joey it was never a red,you nutter    

The look on his face when he knees Aguero, then tries to nut Kompany .

I won't be surprised with any decision that is made regarding Dalglish. I still think the odds are that he'll be manager come August despite what the likes of Tony Evans have said.

I think that Kenny will probably decide to accept a different role at the club by the end of next season once he's delivered the improvements to engineer a genuine bid for the top four.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sun May 13, 2012 7:40 pm wrote:

red till i die!! » Sun May 13, 2012 6:30 pm wrote:joey's moment of madness on video:laugh: .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... a-red.html

your right joey it was never a red,you nutter    

The look on his face when he knees Aguero, then tries to nut Kompany .

honestly that lad has issues.
he's been tweeting flat out that he's off to enjoy the celebrations with his team mates and he has confessed to trying to take one of the city lads with him and said one of the qpr players told him to do it .
i hope the fine he gets equates to a seasons wages.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 13, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:

Eagle » Sun May 13, 2012 6:13 pm wrote:

Seriously ,Where does this multitude that want Dalglish out truly exist ? As far as I can see its a handful of dissenters that loiter on forums
and frequent TalkSport phone lines ...... no one who will actually impel the board to sack Dalglish

Like i have stated till I am red in the gills ,It will be the Kop and the fans who pay their hard earned wedge who decide ,not and I repeat this
easily malleable generation of brainwashed Sky Sports devotees .

Nonsense. The board have a responsibility to detach themselves from emotion towards individuals and make the best call for the club. The fans may have played a part in the removal of Hodgson and the timing but this is 18 months along and the board will make the best decision for the club regardless of what the mob want. I don’t know if they will remove Kenny or not but serious discussions need to be had and a big call to be made.

we have beaten chelsea home and away, arsenal away (and even though we lost at home it was probably our best performance of the season), everton home and away (and at wembley), man city away in the cup, united at home in the cup and newcastle at home. in the league we drew against city and united at home and were the better side on the day in both games.
we got to the final of both domestic cup competitions and won our 1st piece of silverware in 6 seasons.
it`s been a poor season but not poor enough for a manager to lose his job imo.

I don’t think it would be a shock either way to be honest. I think it’s about 50/50 and anyone who thinks it’s a given either way isn’t looking at the whole picture.

Eagle » Sun May 13, 2012 6:59 pm wrote:
I don’t think it would be a shock either way to be honest. I think it’s about 50/50 and anyone who thinks it’s a given either way isn’t looking at the whole picture.

oh i agree, when your the manager of a team that has it`s lowest finishing position in the league in 58 years and ends the season with a sequence of results like this -L L L W L L L D W L W L W L - you are in danger of the sack. but i think other factors played a big part too.

Ordinarily the manager would lose his job. However because its a club legend that makes it 50:50 (the owners recognise that many idolise him).

Personally i would give him another season, but If he isn't no-one could have any complaints. Di Matteo for instance has won the FA Cup, got his team to a CL final, finished 6th, and hasn't spent a penny...yet he could lose his job.

It boils down to whether or not Kenny will be given more funds to bring in quality this time. Do the owners have enough faith to give him money for signings after the 110million outlay already?

If he isn't given funds then he should go now as the squad we have now will finish no higher than 7th next season.

To see Swansea outplay and outpass us home and away this season was a marker of how far we have fallen. The midfield has never been so w**k. I used to enjoy typing out the XI but now i rarely do, it makes depressing reading seeing Shelvey, Henderson, Spearing, Adam contending for central spots. Their previous clubs (Charlton, Sunderland, Blackpool) was about right for them, the other a youth player whom we would never have actually signed. Lowest number of Premier league points ever, lowest number of wins ever, five wins at home all season, long running Anfield records broken by teams such as Fulham and West Brom, a team that often looks to have no method, very few patterns of play, disjointed midfield, no balance, no one having any idea how we will play from one week to the next. The buy British policy was a catastrophic error and Comolli paid for it.

We need a seismic overhaul of the squad, so if Kenny is given another season, i would trim the squad right down to the bare bones, and lower the average load. There is no point just having bodies around the place if they aint good enough.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sun May 13, 2012 6:01 pm wrote:
Seriously ,Where does this multitude that want Dalglish out truly exist ? As far as I can see its a handful of dissenters that loiter on forums
and frequent TalkSport phone lines ...... no one who will actually impel the board to sack Dalglish.

Clearly you cannot read because I never said that a multitude of people want Kenny out. I don't want Kenny to leave or get the sack, but he will if he continues in this fashion, because he is as much to blame for our poor season as the players. It's his signings that for the majority have not delivered, it's his tactics and formations that have been suspect all season and things need to change, everyone associated with the club must improve. If we carry on this same form throughout next season we'll find ourselves in a relegation dog fight by December.

Kenny as Barnes rightly said is not immune to criticism and a lot of the criticism aimed towards Kenny this season has been fully justified. Calls for his head are righly premature, but I can understand my fellow supporters frustration, bitter disappointment and anger at how this season has unfolded. I've been falling Liverpool since the summer of 95 aged 6 years and this is the worst season I have ever encountered. You can point to last season, but it was Kenny who saved us, so if he could do a good job then, why can't he again next season? He can, but he needs to hold his hands up and admit he has made serious errors of judgment this season and needs to change and improve as a manager, if we are to really progress under his stewardship. If he refuses to change and we get more of the same next season, he will have to be replaced.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 13, 2012 6:03 pm wrote:
the league table doesnt lie at this stage of the season, you finish were you deserve to be.
the season is over 9 months not 9 weeks so there`s no getting away from the fact that we have been abysmal in the league, this is our joint worst finish in the top flight for 58 years and the other time we finished 8th was when souness had that horrorendous season and even then although he finished 8th he still had more points than kennys side does. i`m not trying to put a positive spin on anything but.....managers do have poor seasons, ferguson finished 11th and 13th in consecutive seasons with united and even flavour of the month moyes escaped relegation by the skin of his teeth one season, that was after finishing 7th the previous year as well. brian clough was thrown out of leeds after a terrible run and that was in his mid 70`s heyday....they all bounced back.
it wasnt that long ago pardew was being relegated and nearly took charlton down another division to the third tier of english football and that was when they were pre season favourites to go back up.
if we were losing to everyone i`d say maybe it`s time for a change but we have shown we can more than compete in head to heads with the top teams in the division, we are not a poor side just a very inconsistent one. lets not forget as well that we have won our first piece of silverware in 6 seasons too and got to the final of the other domestic competition.

Can we please stop talking about the past? I get sick and tired of tedious defences! Brain Clough is as dead as a dodo, I am not interested in what happened to him at Leeds United forty years ago. I'm interested in what is happening in the present. The past is the past and yes managers do have poor seasons. Benitez had one with Liverpool and was sacked for it (allegedly). However managers will often try and alter the way their season is heading if the ship is going off course. Not Kenny, he's just stood on the touchline all season looking for the majority of it, glum and full of dread! He walks into pre and post match interviews in an aggressive manner, he then makes constant excuses about bad luck etc and it's more of the same next week. It's been crystal clear since January that his methods were not working and yet he has still presisted with things in the vain hope that things will slot into place. His talk of our season being successful is depressing is this how far we've sunk as a club? It must be, we must actually be a mid-table football club at present because we certainly operate and behave in such a fashion not befitting with our club's prestigious history (you know the stuff you like to throw into debates constantly?) I lremember Hodgson getting slammed for playing down expectations, yet when Kenny does it, it's perfectly acceptable.

We are a poor side though, we're about four or five genuine quality away from having a good squad. Inconsistency to me equates to poorness, an inconsistent person is a poor calibre of person etc, that is no exception in this scenario. We need more investment in players, but I honestly don't trust Kenny to sign anyone of genuine quality! I can see us with James McClean, Mohamed Diame, Hugo Rodallega and Gary Gardener under Kenny.

Well the time for speculation is almost over. If FSG intend to sack him we will know very soon.
Either way i'm just happy this season is over and we can look forward to the next one. Hopefully we will see some improvement then, with or without kenny as manager.

I'd still say no, though I don't think it's unreasonable to pose the question given that we finished 8th in the league, level on points with Fulham and 17 points off fourth place -- the position that most of us expected to get a lot closer to and that some even expected us to exceed prior to the season's start. A gap of that magnitude in my view, although not entirely reflective of where we are (Fulham/Everton didn't get to two cup finals) has to be taken to at least reflect that the side we currently have is a good distance from being good enough to make the top four. I still think, however, that it's risking too much to change manager so early on, certainly whilst the majority of fans are still on board and there being no sign of the players wanting a change. You can't have success without both of those groups on board.

Despite the scale of the change needed, I still think fourth is a realistic short-medium goal. Big swings do happen from one season to the next. I think in Rafa's second season we finished 37 pts or something better off than in his first season so it's not unthinkable that we could oust one of our rivals for fourth next season provided we make the right moves in the transfer window. I think we'll need to make three or four significant additions to the current team, with central midfield, the wide areas and up front highest on the agenda. Downing, IMO, has been an outright failure, while Kuyt/Maxi may leave and aren't wingers in any case -- neither is Henderson. People suggest Sterling could step up but he still looks like a 12 year old to me and not someone we should be relying upon to any great extent for at least another season. In the middle of the park, Lucas and Gerrard are the only players I would trust in those positions going into next season and they've both suffered with serious injuries this season. By all means keep Adam as an option on the bench, but we can't be relying on him, or Shelvey, or Spearing or Henderson for sustained periods because they haven't shown enough to suggest they are currently capable of doing so. Up front, we need a clinical finisher. Carroll could be that man if he manages to carry his form of the last month or so of this season into next but based on the span of the season's performances, and our chronic goal shortage, I think it would be foolish to go into next season without signing another striker. Someone in the Cavani mould would do, preferably Cavani himself.

Those are the main areas of the team I think we need to strengthen and if we do so adequately it'll make the manager's job a whole lot easier.  We could do with a more settled and sensible selection policy on Kenny's part but my overriding feeling is that if we get the right players in, he'll probably get it right. He at least deserves a shot at it.

LFC2007 » Sun May 13, 2012 9:44 pm wrote: People suggest Sterling could step up but he still looks like a 12 year old to me and not someone we should be relying upon to any great extent for at least another season.

We should keep him on the bench and give him some more chances but yes we cant exactly use him as first choice.

In the middle of the park, Lucas and Gerrard are the only players I would trust in those positions going into next season and they've both suffered with serious injuries this season.

Gerrard has been mediocre all season because he has played so deep. If we keep playing with two strikers we should push gerrard out on the right side. We need a new CM.