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by **lakes10** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:02 pm

Some supporters never wanted Rafa sacked in the first place, I was one of those supporters. We have gotten rid of a class act of a manager and then brought in two managers who cannot handle the pressures of the job and who just aren't in my opinion good enough to manage the club.[/quote]

GO READ A HISTORY BOOK ON LIVERPOOL THEN COME BACK......BETTER STILL GO PUT YOUR XBOX ON AND PLAY CL MANAGER, MUST BE PAST YOU BED TIME.

YES I AM MEANT TO BE USING CAPS FOR ONCE.[/quote]

You must be about 15 years or so referring to history?

I can see nothing wrong with his statement. Stop being disrespectful to him. I'll tell you lakes, no way man would you or any other of the loonies in here accept poo like this season if it wasn't a certain name on the blackboard. No oe is exempt from being evaluated and fulfilling LFC expectations.

I wont let you and Kenny kill this club. This club is larger than Kenny and any other individual employee out ther ever to take on the shirt or manegerial post.[/quote]

I am 40 this year and been to more games than you had WA,nks

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:02 pm

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 8:45 pm wrote:With all due respect this one of the problems with this club. We live in our history and refuse to adapt and changes with the times and it's this backwards thinking that has seen us lose our top spot as clubs have adapted with the times and are reaping the rewards from it.

I'll always be in awe of this clubs traditions, its customs and its history, but I refuse to live in the past, I'd much rather focus on the present and look to the future. What Kenny did 25 years ago doesn't relieve him of criticism for his present failings, for which there has been many this season! This club at the moment is slipping season by season, irrespective of our cup form. It's fantastic getting to two cup finals in one season after spending so long without a final appearance in anything, the Carling Cup final and the FA Cup final (though we lost) was exciting, this is the platform in which every Liverpool fan wants to see us on. However our league form and our form since the turn of the new year has been unacceptable, if this was happening at Chelsea, Man City or United then the manager would be pretty much out the door, these clubs aren't prepared to settle for second best and neither should we. Kenny in my eyes just isn't the right manager for the job, the fact that last season he had a winning formula, come the summer he alters that forumla to rubber stamp his mark on the club and as a result we end up in a worse position this year than we did last year says everything! We can give Kenny another season, the season after that, but I just do not have confidence in his ability to manage our team. He's not the right man to lead our club forwards and I fear with him in charge things are only going to get worse.

united didnt sack ferguson when he finished halfway down the league 2 seasons running, sold all the fans favourites (whiteside, moran, strachan, stapleton etc) and brought in what initially looked like a load of expensive flops like gary pallister and paul ince.
everton didnt sack howard kendall although they were abysmal and their fans were throwing cushions at him and handing `KENDALL OUT` leaflets out at the turnstyles.
ipswich didnt sack bobby robson even though the results were so bad and the club was in so much turmoil that he tried to hand in his resignation notice but the chairman refused to accept it.
they are all the most succesfull managers in their respective clubs histories and all of them went through prolonged tough periods.
the leeds board did sack brian clough after he looked absolutely clueless at elland road and then watched as he won the title and two european cups at forest.
the problem is modern footy fans dont understand these things because clubs these days panic and sack managers at the first sign of faliure so they have never seen a manager turn things around.
even moyes, in his second season at everton he missed relegation by a point or something and now he`s regarded as pound for pound one of the best managers in the division.

by **Boxscarf** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:05 pm

bunglemark2 » Sat May 05, 2012 9:00 pm wrote:sunshine, you shouldn't be "punished" - you should be beaten to within an inch of your sad existence and then stoned with balls of yer own shyte.... In my opinion, of course

Cards should be issued for such personal nonsense. If you are happy with the way this club is at the moment, more power to you, but I am not and I will not pretend that I am. If you want to live in 1987, that's your choice, I'd much rather live in 2012 and focus on the here and now! If you enjoy losing match after match, again more power to you, but I do not and I feel that I have a right to be critical of a team and a manager that have drastically failed this season.

by **roberto green** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:08 pm

Makes me laugh with all this "ferguson didn't get sacked after a poor run etc" that was 24 years ago, football has moved on, if you lose pace now you may never come back, Weneed some one fresh, dymatic and full off ideas.

by **Boxscarf** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:10 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 9:02 pm wrote:
united didnt sack ferguson when he finished halfway down the league 2 seasons running, sold all the fans favourites (whiteside, moran, strachan, stapleton etc) and brought in what initially looked like a load of expensive flops like gary pallister and paul ince.
everton didnt sack howard kendall although they were abysmal and their fans were throwing cushions at him and handing `KENDALL OUT` leaflets out at the turnstyles.
ipswich didnt sack bobby robson even though the results were so bad and the club was in so much turmoil that he tried to hand in his resignation notice but the chairman refused to accept it.
they are all the most succesfull managers in their respective clubs histories and all of them went through prolonged tough periods.
the leeds board did sack brian clough after he looked absolutely clueless at elland road and then watched as he won the title and two european cups at forest.
the problem is modern footy fans dont understand these things because clubs these days panic and sack managers at the first sign of faliure so they have never seen a manager turn things around.
even moyes, in his second season at everton he missed relegation by a point or something and now he`s regarded as pound for pound one of the best managers in the division.

I hear what you're saying, but that doesn't change the way I feel about Kenny Dalglish's second stint in charge of the club. If he's the manager next season, fine, I'll support him, but things have to change for the better. What if next season there's no improvement? What if next season things are worse? Do we give Kenny the following season? Do we give him the season after that one? Just how many seasons are we prepared to give Kenny to get things right? If Kenny was Roy or Rafa would they be afforded the same luxury by a large section of the fan base? What happens if we keep falling further and further away from the top clubs in the process of Kenny trying to get things right? What happens then? We are already so far behind the top teams of England, can we realistically catch up? These are legitimate questions.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:13 pm

roberto green » Sat May 05, 2012 9:08 pm wrote:Makes me laugh with all this "ferguson didn't get sacked after a poor run etc" that was 24 years ago, football has moved on, if you lose pace now you may never come back, Weneed some one fresh, dymatic and full off ideas.

it makes no difference if it was 20 years ago or today, a good manager will get there eventually. it might take him a while but he will build a good side eventually.
united, everton, ipswich....hell even us with shankly who failed to get us out of the second division in his first 2 seasons here banked on that and reaped the rewards for their (our) faith.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:24 pm

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 9:10 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 9:02 pm wrote:
united didnt sack ferguson when he finished halfway down the league 2 seasons running, sold all the fans favourites (whiteside, moran, strachan, stapleton etc) and brought in what initially looked like a load of expensive flops like gary pallister and paul ince.
everton didnt sack howard kendall although they were abysmal and their fans were throwing cushions at him and handing `KENDALL OUT` leaflets out at the turnstyles.
ipswich didnt sack bobby robson even though the results were so bad and the club was in so much turmoil that he tried to hand in his resignation notice but the chairman refused to accept it.
they are all the most succesfull managers in their respective clubs histories and all of them went through prolonged tough periods.
the leeds board did sack brian clough after he looked absolutely clueless at elland road and then watched as he won the title and two european cups at forest.
the problem is modern footy fans dont understand these things because clubs these days panic and sack managers at the first sign of faliure so they have never seen a manager turn things around.
even moyes, in his second season at everton he missed relegation by a point or something and now he`s regarded as pound for pound one of the best managers in the division.

I hear what you're saying, but that doesn't change the way I feel about Kenny Dalglish's second stint in charge of the club. If he's the manager next season, fine, I'll support him, but things have to change for the better. What if next season there's no improvement? What if next season things are worse? Do we give Kenny the following season? Do we give him the season after that one? Just how many seasons are we prepared to give Kenny to get things right? If Kenny was Roy or Rafa would they be afforded the same luxury by a large section of the fan base? What happens if we keep falling further and further away from the top clubs in the process of Kenny trying to get things right? What happens then? We are already so far behind the top teams of England, can we realistically catch up? These are legitimate questions.

there`s too many hypothetical questions there that no one can answer without a crystal ball mate, dalglish is a good manager who has built different title winning sides at 2 different clubs, when everyone is fit we have the foundations of a good side, chelsea are champions league finalists and despite our defence and keeper giving them a goal start we rattled them today far more than barcelona did, a shyte team wouldnt have them hanging on like that, we have beaten united, city, chelsea (twice), arsenal, newcastle and a good everton side 3 times this season, we are not shyte we are just inconsistent, but with a bit of luck in the transfer market (if we can sign another suarez in terms of impact on the team) and with lucas coming back into the side we wont be far away next season.

by **Boxscarf** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:30 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 9:24 pm wrote:
there`s too many hypothetical questions there that no one can answer without a crystal ball mate, dalglish is a good manager who has built different title winning sides at 2 different clubs, when everyone is fit we have the foundations of a good side, chelsea are champions league finalists and despite our defence and keeper giving them a goal start we rattled them today far more than barcelona did, a shyte team wouldnt have them hanging on like that, we have beaten united, city, chelsea (twice), arsenal, newcastle and a good everton side 3 times this season, we are not shyte we are just inconsistent, but with a bit of luck in the transfer market (if we can sign another suarez in terms of impact on the team) and with lucas coming back into the side we wont be far away next season.

I hope you're right, I would love it if you were right, but I'm unsure! I've lost just all faith! All that faith I had a year ago is gone. Unless I see some real intent in the summer from the club, it probably won't come back.

by **red till i die!!** » Sat May 05, 2012 10:47 pm

nothing to do with the manager or the tactics today that we lost the game.it was all down to the players.we have far to many weak links and the decent players that we do have cant carry them.
what we have on the bench in maxi,kuyt,etc arent the answer either as that horse has been flogged many times before.sure they might have put in a better performance than some but overall they arent the solution going forward.
if anything this season has highlighted our shortfalls and that needs to be addressed over the summer with quality players.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:04 pm

Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 9:30 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 9:24 pm wrote:
there`s too many hypothetical questions there that no one can answer without a crystal ball mate, dalglish is a good manager who has built different title winning sides at 2 different clubs, when everyone is fit we have the foundations of a good side, chelsea are champions league finalists and despite our defence and keeper giving them a goal start we rattled them today far more than barcelona did, a shyte team wouldnt have them hanging on like that, we have beaten united, city, chelsea (twice), arsenal, newcastle and a good everton side 3 times this season, we are not shyte we are just inconsistent, but with a bit of luck in the transfer market (if we can sign another suarez in terms of impact on the team) and with lucas coming back into the side we wont be far away next season.

I hope you're right, I would love it if you were right, but I'm unsure! I've lost just all faith! All that faith I had a year ago is gone. Unless I see some real intent in the summer from the club, it probably won't come back.

we have had a nightmare season mate but as i say there are things to be optimistic about.
for a start i think suarez is now totally at home in english football a fact backed up by the way the goals have recently started to flow, he`s got 17 now and for someone who missed practically a quarter of the season and had a lot of bad luck in front of goal earlier on thats a more than decent return. lets not forget that the media storm must have affected him on a personal level as well so to come through all that and end up with 17 that is a good sign for next season. if he stays injury free and out of the headlines i`m convinced he`s going to get 25+ goals next campaign.
another positive is andy carroll, he`s another player who has shown a lot of mental toughness and although he is still a long way away from his late 20`s / early 30`s target man peak he is slowly developing into a player that looks like he could really do some damage in this league. his performance today against 2 of the most physical and competent defenders in the league was nothing short of awesome.
the keeper is too good to have another season as poor as this one and the back four were right up there with city`s statistically for a large part of the season until injuries hit.
lucas looked phenominal until he got injured, it`s easy to forget now because it was a while back but he dominated the likes of yaya toure and chelsea`s midfield and if he comes back as good as that the team will improve ten fold.
we are not a million miles away from a very, very good side.

by **friendlyguy33** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:11 pm

I don't think Kenny will leave this summer but there are question marks about various players at the club including the likes of Enrique who was shocking in this game. Things have to change but I suspect experience did play a part today.

by **Boxscarf** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:13 pm

I'm just not feeling optimistic at the moment, I'm still gutted and sickened by the cup final defeat. I feel crushed! I haven't felt this bad since our Carling Cup defeat to these sc*mbags in 2005. I just want this season to finish, it's been utter excrement from start to finish. I won't bother watching the remaining games of the season, it will be more of the same, hopefully in the summer all the wrongs will be put right and we can try and become a better football team for next season. I just hope our millionaire footballers enjoy their summer holidays in Spain with their girlfriends, wives, children and friends. I hope they'll enjoy their thousand euro bottle of champagne and their expensive villa suites, I really do, those lads deserve it, while us supporters struggle to make ends meet in a recession. Cheers for a fantastic season lads, well done, pat yourselves on the back for a job well done. Congratulations on being the worst Liverpool team I've ever seen.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sat May 05, 2012 11:14 pm

Kenny Kan » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:24 pm wrote:
heimdall » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:14 pm wrote:
RedAnt » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:19 pm wrote:Heimdall, I'm confused. We tried you suggestion with Woy and look what happened. It seems all most like you're suggesting we employ a bargain basement manager like Woy and if it fails then we try another one next year. That's just what Chelsea do, only they shop for world class managers. I'm really missing your point.

Woy never worked, so we should take a punt on Martinez...and do we give him more time than we give Kenny? Or perhaps if he fails in season one, we can take a punt on that Swansea bloke?

I once won promotion to the Championship with Darlington on Footy Manager. Maybe I can have a shot at the top 4 after Kenny.

I never wanted Woy, where did you get that from, he was a terrible apointment. I do think a young hungry manager can do wonders though, just look at Pep Gardiola at Barcelona or are you suggesting that was a crazy move by Barcelona?

The problem with folk like you is, if a new manager were appointed and had a tough start it'd be guaranteed you'd be looking/talking about his next replacement within three months of him being appointed here. You have the mental age of a 12 year old I'm afraid - 'now now now, kinda attitude' then after said manager fails, you'd probably have the bare faced cheek (again) to say, 'I wouldn't mind Kenny back'. I'm sorry, most of your posts re this matter are an utter joke.

Spot on!

Quite frankly some on here are an embarrassment. Still convinced some aren't LFC supporters.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:45 am

roberto green » Sat May 05, 2012 9:08 pm wrote:Makes me laugh with all this "ferguson didn't get sacked after a poor run etc" that was 24 years ago, football has moved on, if you lose pace now you may never come back, Weneed some one fresh, dymatic and full off ideas.

nail on the head. Kenny is a LFC legend...always will be, but he's NOT a world class manager. He's not even a top 6 guy..or dare i say it, top 10.

by **eds** » Sun May 06, 2012 2:34 am

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 7:48 pm wrote:
Boxscarf » Sat May 05, 2012 7:37 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat May 05, 2012 7:34 pm wrote:
kenny has been unlucky though

He was created his own misfortune through erroneous decisions.

kenny has made mistakes but how many cheap goals has reina let in this season? does the manager take the blame for that? how many sitters have the forwards missed? does the manager take the blame for that? was it his fault lucas missed practically the whole season or that suarez was banned for practically a quarter of the season? we have beaten man united, man city, chelsea twice, arsenal, newcastle and everton 3 times this season and we have got to the final of both domestic cup competitions, it`s been poor but not a total wash out.
he deserves more time imo.

I don't think you actually understand why fans aren't happy?

First of all Kenny stuffed up big time wasting money on the likes of Adam (yeah remember him the player no one cares about now because he is rubbish), Henderson (who fits the role more of a crab, stepping to the side and make passes that go nowhere), Downing (who has been very POOR all season, how many goals and assists has he contributed so far?) and played dross like Spearing in the side. His team tactics and strategy throughout the season have looked very, very outdated and his interviews have been nothing short of embarrassing. Yes, we have missed a lot of goals, the Lucas injury has had its effect and Reina has had a poor season, but the main reason we have had such a s**t season is because of the rubbish players in our squad. The fact that he hasn't bought one single creative player to this side, speaks volumes! I'm sure there are plenty of managers in the EPL that would have got more out of this side at the start of the season then Kenny has.

For this you have no answer for. Save us the whole "he was a club legend back in the 80s" rubbish. You sound like a broken record and it is becoming quiet sad as it seems it is the only comeback you can resort to. As most posters have pointed out this is 2012, not 1989. Football has changed dramatically and we are slipping further and further into mediocrity, which Kenny has been mainly responsible for.

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