Liverpool FC Forum

Kenny Kan » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:06 pm wrote:

Good post. Kenny is one of us. Don't forget that! Time's are really tough at the moment, but we must NOT become like other teams. We must keep our unity and support our team. The modern day fan seems to see themselves as a seperate entity to the team/club. Supporters aren't seperate. We really are just as much a part of the team and club as the mangager, players and anyone else involved with LFC.

It's a cliché of course, but "together we stand, divided we fall". The fact is that if you're not behind Kenny and the team, then you aren't a supporter. It really is that simple. We are Liverpool, or we aren't. There's no middle ground. Football support is like love. It should be (is!) unconditional. I ain't happy by far, and I can criticize until the cows come home, but will I walk away? Will I call for Kenny's head? Will I decide to support something/someone else?

Not a chance.

You'll Never Walk Alone!

parchpea » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:10 pm wrote:If it makes people feel special supporting Dalglish without condition then fair enough but it
clearly doesnt and wont get us results on the park.

All the flag waving and cult worship means little when your getting humiliated by Newcastle
with a team they built on £35m we paid them for one Sh*t player.

Another example of misunderstanding. I support Liverpool FC. I support Kenny as the manger of Liverpool FC, not as a seperate body. If Kenny wants to go and play a game of tennis, I wont necerssarily support him....unless he's doing it in the name of Liverpool FC. The beginning of your post states that "unconditional support" wont win us game. Maybe it wont, but the togetherness it can create gives us much better chance than if we stand booing our team. At least i've not seen booing work yet anyway.

[quote="parchpea » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:10 pm"]If it makes people feel special supporting Dalglish without condition then fair enough but it
clearly doesnt and wont get us results on the park.


Its nothing personal fella ,its just patience and faith have served us well over the years ,and if those traits are alien to you then in all probability
you belong to a younger, more success starved  generation,and for that you have my condolences .

RedAnt » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:14 pm wrote:

parchpea » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:10 pm wrote:If it makes people feel special supporting Dalglish without condition then fair enough but it
clearly doesnt and wont get us results on the park.

All the flag waving and cult worship means little when your getting humiliated by Newcastle
with a team they built on £35m we paid them for one Sh*t player.

Another example of misunderstanding. I support Liverpool FC. I support Kenny as the manger of Liverpool FC, not as a seperate body. If Kenny wants to go and play a game of tennis, I wont necerssarily support him....unless he's doing it in the name of Liverpool FC. The beginning of your post states that "unconditional support" wont win us game. Maybe it wont, but the togetherness it can create gives us much better chance than if we stand booing our team. At least i've not seen booing work yet anyway.

hear hear

banana(real one) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:59 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:55 am wrote:http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/telegraph-carra-remember-where-we-were

Carra still has sense.

Another sorry lame excuse. 6 months of Sh*t with Roy hardly make Liverpool suck. We still had a solid foundation capable of challanging. However Kenny destroyed that platform with his signings and sales.

What a crock of Sh*t. When Rafa left, he left a boring, predictable, lacklustre team with just one bloody striker. No, sorry, you are wrong. You are trying to big up Rafa into this hard done by great manager, but the simple fact of the matter is this. We lost many great players because of Rafas stubbornness over his preferences. He showed in the last year of his contract he can get the team playing brilliant attacking football, which won him his new 5 year contract under the idiots, but once he signed that, it was back to the same old, same old. And lets not forget he held a good few of the Liverpool players to ransom with regards to contracts. Until he signed a new one, the players could f*ck off.

Dress it up however you like, we would easily have been in a better position if Rafa didnt put himself first. And that is the truth of the matter. Rafa left this club in a mess, a one dimensional, boring mess.

alwayslfc » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:07 am wrote:
And when we lose to Everton in the semi, not if but when we lose to them, Kenny should resign or be sacked and let Rafa be the caretaker manager till end of season. I don't think Rafa can do a worse job than what Kenny is doing now. Otherwise, the last 7 PL games will end in defeats.

   

Woollyback » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:29 am wrote:stop the world, i want to get off


i don't think the question is should kenny get sacked, it's will kenny leave of his own accord?

This is what I was thinking after Newcastle. Will he decide that's it and leave?

By the way we've been playing our football, it looks like Kenny has lost the cooperation of his players. IMHO, there is a MUTINY here in the dressing room. The players do not like him and do not want to play for him. The reason for that I don't know as only they themselves in their midst know. So Liverpool is in a mess now and after we get beat by Everton and most likely lose all remaining 7 PL games then I think Kenny will either resign or sacked. If that happens it is really a sad return for the King.

I am curious to find out what plans FSG has for our beloved club now. We need a high profile modern manager to lead us into the future and who can do a Bill Shankly all over again. We have a club here where the manager and players cannot cooperate. So we either get rid of the manager or the mutineers. Kenny and Liverpool right now  reminds me a bit of the last days of B.Robson at Newcastle. The players lead by Shearer didn't cooperate with Robson and they performed more or less like Liverpool now and when Robson left, there was a much improved performance, I think they won a game 8-0 soon afterwards. The same I suspect at Chelsea recently. The players there I suspect couldn't work well with AVB and after AVB was sacked, look at how improved their results are now.

Back to what I was saying about Liverpool, if what I'm saying is true, do we get rid of Kenny or the mutineers or BOTH? For me, it is both. Kenny made mostly awful signings last summer and now has to pay for it. The players, if they want to be mutineers, there is no room for them in a global brand club like Liverpool that has a huge following throughout the world. They should f*ck off to where they think they will be happy esp. Carroll who didn't want to come here in the first place. Like a person suffering from toxemia, Liverpool needs to undergo a total detoxification programme in the summer by getting rid of Kenny and those mutineers and get a high profile manager who understands modern day football to take over. This is going to be the toughest job in the world for FSG and the next manager unless FSG is just contented with us being a mid table club, which we're not, NEVER ever forget that esp. now when it looks like manure will win their 20th title.

alwayslfc » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:46 am wrote:By the way we've been playing our football, it looks like Kenny has lost the cooperation of his players. IMHO, there is a MUTINY here in the dressing room. The players do not like him and do not want to play for him. The reason for that I don't know as only they themselves in their midst know.

Where did you get that from..?    You can't just come out and say things like that, where's teh evidence.

Not even the stalker would write that kinda thing. 'They don't like him or want to play for him?' thats Peter and Jane stuff that. 

Kharhaz » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:08 am wrote:

banana(real one) » Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:59 pm wrote:

RedAnt » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:55 am wrote:http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/media-watch/telegraph-carra-remember-where-we-were

Carra still has sense.

Another sorry lame excuse. 6 months of Sh*t with Roy hardly make Liverpool suck. We still had a solid foundation capable of challanging. However Kenny destroyed that platform with his signings and sales.

What a crock of Sh*t. When Rafa left, he left a boring, predictable, lacklustre team with just one bloody striker. No, sorry, you are wrong. You are trying to big up Rafa into this hard done by great manager, but the simple fact of the matter is this. We lost many great players because of Rafas stubbornness over his preferences. He showed in the last year of his contract he can get the team playing brilliant attacking football, which won him his new 5 year contract under the idiots, but once he signed that, it was back to the same old, same old. And lets not forget he held a good few of the Liverpool players to ransom with regards to contracts. Until he signed a new one, the players could f*ck off.

Dress it up however you like, we would easily have been in a better position if Rafa didnt put himself first. And that is the truth of the matter. Rafa left this club in a mess, a one dimensional, boring mess.

Oh boy, you certainly have a big problem in your head. The numbers are there, the results, the statistics, just go and have a look at the last 20 years of LFC football. You will most certainly find 15 years of embarrasment and 5 years of playing and beating the best in europe and at home. No go figure why this brief 5 year period was during a certain managers reign, with the club dramatically overachieving on all fronts competing with a fraction of what the other top managers had at their disposal. Your sorry falsification of history is embarrasing to say the least.

Reg » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:35 am wrote:

alwayslfc » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:46 am wrote:By the way we've been playing our football, it looks like Kenny has lost the cooperation of his players. IMHO, there is a MUTINY here in the dressing room. The players do not like him and do not want to play for him. The reason for that I don't know as only they themselves in their midst know.

Where did you get that from..?    You can't just come out and say things like that, where's teh evidence.

Not even the stalker would write that kinda thing. 'They don't like him or want to play for him?' thats Peter and Jane stuff that. 

Who are Peter and Jane?
Are they available?

Even Talksport are talking sense ;

"Liverpool's Premier League form has been utterly absymal in 2012 and plenty of critics, rival fans and even Kopites themselves have suggested Kenny Dalglish isn't up to the task, but here are five reasons why we think the Scot should be cut some slack. For now…

1. IT'S TOO EARLY TO PASS FINAL JUDGEMENT
If a manager is appointed, unless he is a catastrophic failure he should be given two full seasons to prove his worth. It takes time to get things right and Dalglish inherited a dog's dinner at Anfield, largely created by Hicks and Gillett, with a dash of Benitez and Hodgson. Alex Ferguson finished 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th and sixth in his first five seasons at Old Trafford, while he overhauled a club that hadn't won a league title for over two decades. In this day and age Dalglish had no chance of being given that amount of time to turn things round, but one full season in charge is not enough.
2. THIS SEASON CAN STILL BE A MAJOR SUCCESS
At the start of this season Liverpool had a chance to win three trophies, one of which was the Premier League and, let's be honest, that was never going to happen. They have won the League Cup, beating Chelsea and Man City on the way, and are in the FA Cup semi-final. Right now, few would back them to win it, but if they do that will be two out of three trophies in the cabinet. Yes, Champions League qualification is what matters most to the owners because it brings in the big bucks, but fans want glory, not fourth place. Two trophies in a season is success by any Premier League club's standards, including Manchester United.
3. LIVERPOOL AREN'T FAR OFF BEING A MUCH BETTER TEAM
No excuses, Liverpool deserve to be where they are in the Premier League and the results have been poor. There is light at the end of the tunnel, however, because in many of the matches in which the Reds have dropped points, they could so easily have got a different result. People will argue that you can say exactly the same about any club, but that's simply not true, because the stats show Liverpool have hit the woodwork more often, missed more penalties and wasted an alarmingly high number of clear cut chances (third highest in the league, last time we checked). They are not being played off the park without creating chances. Something is wrong at Anfield, but just as pundits say of misfiring strikers that they should worry when they aren't getting chances, far more than when they miss them, so too Liverpool can take solace in these dark days that they aren't as bad as their sharpest critics suggest.
4. HE IS THE SPIRIT OF LIVERPOOL
Kenny Dalglish is Liverpool through and through - he knows what makes the club and its supporters tick better than anyone. From the youth team players to the senior squad via the tea lady, the man lives and breathes Liverpool Football Club and no one will be more disappointed with the current run of league form than Dalglish himself. Because he was such a successful figure in Liverpool's past, with results not going well this year the accusation persists that he is a throwback who belongs in a bygone era, but equally Dalglish's experience of those glory years mean that he won't tolerate failure for long, starting with himself.
5. FSG NEED HIS EXPERIENCE
Liverpool's American owners are new to football - their expertise lies in making money and running American sports franchises. Football is literally a different ball game and Dalglish's 40 years of experience and track record of success should not be dimissed lightly, certainly not off the back of a poor run of results. Damien Comolli may have impressed John Henry, but Dalglish has forgotten more about football than the Frenchman will probably ever know and the club's owners are fortunate to have his knowledge to call upon as they go about trying to make Liverpool a force again."

jimmy brighton » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:04 am wrote:Even Talksport are talking sense ;

"Liverpool's Premier League form has been utterly absymal in 2012 and plenty of critics, rival fans and even Kopites themselves have suggested Kenny Dalglish isn't up to the task, but here are five reasons why we think the Scot should be cut some slack. For now…

1. IT'S TOO EARLY TO PASS FINAL JUDGEMENT
If a manager is appointed, unless he is a catastrophic failure he should be given two full seasons to prove his worth. It takes time to get things right and Dalglish inherited a dog's dinner at Anfield, largely created by Hicks and Gillett, with a dash of Benitez and Hodgson. Alex Ferguson finished 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th and sixth in his first five seasons at Old Trafford, while he overhauled a club that hadn't won a league title for over two decades. In this day and age Dalglish had no chance of being given that amount of time to turn things round, but one full season in charge is not enough.
2. THIS SEASON CAN STILL BE A MAJOR SUCCESS
At the start of this season Liverpool had a chance to win three trophies, one of which was the Premier League and, let's be honest, that was never going to happen. They have won the League Cup, beating Chelsea and Man City on the way, and are in the FA Cup semi-final. Right now, few would back them to win it, but if they do that will be two out of three trophies in the cabinet. Yes, Champions League qualification is what matters most to the owners because it brings in the big bucks, but fans want glory, not fourth place. Two trophies in a season is success by any Premier League club's standards, including Manchester United.
3. LIVERPOOL AREN'T FAR OFF BEING A MUCH BETTER TEAM
No excuses, Liverpool deserve to be where they are in the Premier League and the results have been poor. There is light at the end of the tunnel, however, because in many of the matches in which the Reds have dropped points, they could so easily have got a different result. People will argue that you can say exactly the same about any club, but that's simply not true, because the stats show Liverpool have hit the woodwork more often, missed more penalties and wasted an alarmingly high number of clear cut chances (third highest in the league, last time we checked). They are not being played off the park without creating chances. Something is wrong at Anfield, but just as pundits say of misfiring strikers that they should worry when they aren't getting chances, far more than when they miss them, so too Liverpool can take solace in these dark days that they aren't as bad as their sharpest critics suggest.
4. HE IS THE SPIRIT OF LIVERPOOL
Kenny Dalglish is Liverpool through and through - he knows what makes the club and its supporters tick better than anyone. From the youth team players to the senior squad via the tea lady, the man lives and breathes Liverpool Football Club and no one will be more disappointed with the current run of league form than Dalglish himself. Because he was such a successful figure in Liverpool's past, with results not going well this year the accusation persists that he is a throwback who belongs in a bygone era, but equally Dalglish's experience of those glory years mean that he won't tolerate failure for long, starting with himself.
5. FSG NEED HIS EXPERIENCE
Liverpool's American owners are new to football - their expertise lies in making money and running American sports franchises. Football is literally a different ball game and Dalglish's 40 years of experience and track record of success should not be dimissed lightly, certainly not off the back of a poor run of results. Damien Comolli may have impressed John Henry, but Dalglish has forgotten more about football than the Frenchman will probably ever know and the club's owners are fortunate to have his knowledge to call upon as they go about trying to make Liverpool a force again."

I enjoyed reading that...

Ola Mr Benitez » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:23 pm wrote:

jimmy brighton » Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:04 am wrote:Even Talksport are talking sense ;

"Liverpool's Premier League form has been utterly absymal in 2012 and plenty of critics, rival fans and even Kopites themselves have suggested Kenny Dalglish isn't up to the task, but here are five reasons why we think the Scot should be cut some slack. For now…

1. IT'S TOO EARLY TO PASS FINAL JUDGEMENT
If a manager is appointed, unless he is a catastrophic failure he should be given two full seasons to prove his worth. It takes time to get things right and Dalglish inherited a dog's dinner at Anfield, largely created by Hicks and Gillett, with a dash of Benitez and Hodgson. Alex Ferguson finished 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th and sixth in his first five seasons at Old Trafford, while he overhauled a club that hadn't won a league title for over two decades. In this day and age Dalglish had no chance of being given that amount of time to turn things round, but one full season in charge is not enough.
2. THIS SEASON CAN STILL BE A MAJOR SUCCESS
At the start of this season Liverpool had a chance to win three trophies, one of which was the Premier League and, let's be honest, that was never going to happen. They have won the League Cup, beating Chelsea and Man City on the way, and are in the FA Cup semi-final. Right now, few would back them to win it, but if they do that will be two out of three trophies in the cabinet. Yes, Champions League qualification is what matters most to the owners because it brings in the big bucks, but fans want glory, not fourth place. Two trophies in a season is success by any Premier League club's standards, including Manchester United.
3. LIVERPOOL AREN'T FAR OFF BEING A MUCH BETTER TEAM
No excuses, Liverpool deserve to be where they are in the Premier League and the results have been poor. There is light at the end of the tunnel, however, because in many of the matches in which the Reds have dropped points, they could so easily have got a different result. People will argue that you can say exactly the same about any club, but that's simply not true, because the stats show Liverpool have hit the woodwork more often, missed more penalties and wasted an alarmingly high number of clear cut chances (third highest in the league, last time we checked). They are not being played off the park without creating chances. Something is wrong at Anfield, but just as pundits say of misfiring strikers that they should worry when they aren't getting chances, far more than when they miss them, so too Liverpool can take solace in these dark days that they aren't as bad as their sharpest critics suggest.
4. HE IS THE SPIRIT OF LIVERPOOL
Kenny Dalglish is Liverpool through and through - he knows what makes the club and its supporters tick better than anyone. From the youth team players to the senior squad via the tea lady, the man lives and breathes Liverpool Football Club and no one will be more disappointed with the current run of league form than Dalglish himself. Because he was such a successful figure in Liverpool's past, with results not going well this year the accusation persists that he is a throwback who belongs in a bygone era, but equally Dalglish's experience of those glory years mean that he won't tolerate failure for long, starting with himself.
5. FSG NEED HIS EXPERIENCE
Liverpool's American owners are new to football - their expertise lies in making money and running American sports franchises. Football is literally a different ball game and Dalglish's 40 years of experience and track record of success should not be dimissed lightly, certainly not off the back of a poor run of results. Damien Comolli may have impressed John Henry, but Dalglish has forgotten more about football than the Frenchman will probably ever know and the club's owners are fortunate to have his knowledge to call upon as they go about trying to make Liverpool a force again."

I enjoyed reading that...

I did too, and not least because it points out that Kenny isn't some lost and wide eyed wuss. He's been here before. He's a nice guy, but he wants to win. He aint as soft as some may believe.

I think although the season has been one of abject disappointment in regards to mounting a challenge to the top four ,we have to take the
plus points as well as the minus points  ,and perhaps use this season as a severe learning curve .

1,John Flanagan ,Jonjo Shelvey,Martin Kelly ,Sebastian Coates ,Raheem Sterling
2,When the confidence is there( and Lucas)  we can still play any team off the park .
3,Carragher has shown his hand ,and it wasn't a winning one .
4,Agger and Skrtel when played as our CBs have proved how impenetrable they can be .
5,A confident and fresh Luis Suarez  ,could turn out to be one of the most talented players we have seen at Anfield .
6,The team is no longer a stranger to Wembley appearances.
7,Albeit from ironing out a touch of naivety ,Coates looks the real deal .
8,We now know Comoli doesnt exist ,and was actually a clever disguise used by GH .
9,We also know Kenny Dalglish would never have opted for players with less heart than himself .
10,We may have two cups to display in next seasons team photo .

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