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by **stmichael** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:18 pm

metalhead » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:15 pm wrote:Ben Smith from the time thinks Kenny will be here next season, which is great to be honest and Smith thinks we won't go on a spending spree this time and some of the players we bought last season will leave in the summer.

He is usually right 95% of the time

something isn't right with carroll, that's for sure.

seems to be completely out of favour and can't get a consistent run in the side, even when he's playing well. our recent results have been drastically better when he's been in the side than when he hasn't.

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:22 pm

stmichael » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:18 pm wrote:
metalhead » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:15 pm wrote:Ben Smith from the time thinks Kenny will be here next season, which is great to be honest and Smith thinks we won't go on a spending spree this time and some of the players we bought last season will leave in the summer.

He is usually right 95% of the time

something isn't right with carroll, that's for sure.

seems to be completely out of favour and can't get a consistent run in the side, even when he's playing well. our recent results have been drastically better when he's been in the side than when he hasn't.

So we're not going on a spending spree... but will be selling some players we bought last summer? I can't see that approach taking us forward.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Carroll, Adam and Downing were sold.

by **CraigBedworth** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:31 pm

Too soon to make such a big decision, simple!

by **parchpea** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:12 pm

Wouldnt surprise me if Carroll, Adam and Downing are sold and possibly Kuyt to raise funds.

Be a kick in the teeth for Dagger but I would have even more respect for him if he did that,
admitted he got it wrong and move on in another direction.

Ferguson did much the same early in his tenure, ripped up his plan and started over and it
worked.

Personally I think thats what we need to do.

by **heimdall** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:21 pm

Thommo's perm » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:29 am wrote:
D___C » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:37 am wrote:
Octsky » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:26 am wrote:actually throughout the whole season did we play badly for most of the season?
we lost to a last min RVP goal that started our downfall, but we played well that game.

we played poorly vs Sunderland, Bolton and Wigan. beside that we played ok /good.
we hit the post most in the league, we lost Suaruez for nearly a quarter of a season to suspension.
we lost Gerrard most of half of the season. we missed half of our penalties. with a bit of luck, we wont be 7th.

next season, either cut loss on Carroll or whether we need to sign a prolific forward and it be 4th and above

We've done ok in patches.. but ultimately its the lack of quality in personnel that has cost us. That game against Arsenal, imagine we had a quality #9... Torres, Fowler, Rush, Owen (yes he wore 10), Aldridge... we almost certainly would have won that game comfortably, and you can apply that to umpteen games this season. Its partly the reason i bang on about the Carroll signing and the catastrophic effect it had, because its small margins... had we signed that one quality forward we would be looking at a very different season. Take Rooney out of Man U, Van Persie out of Arsenal, Drogba out of Chelsea, Aguero out of Man City... you can chop a good 15-20 points off their season. We are not demanding we sign at player from the very very top bracket (would be nice tho)... a good forward would be a start.

I dont want Kenny sacked, because his methods work (look at how we played last season.. the three games where we hit 13 goals AND played fluid attacking football is arguably the best ive seen us play in my 20 years as a fan)... its getting that one crucial signing right, the finisher, the player that compliments Luis Suarez (one of the best creative forwards in the world). Of course the other position that he needs to get right is a central midfield playmaker (a passer).. we will have Lucas back next season, the ball winner who then gives it to the playmaker which we dont have.. we havent come remotely near replacing Alonso. We bought Aquilani, Merelies, Adam.. almost a steady decline in quality... Henderson certainly doesnt look anywhere near good enough.

We are being linked with Matias Suarez (Commoli watched him apparently).. a mobile finisher to partner Luis. I know nothing about him, but whoever is brought in it is obviously crucial that hes quality. We cannot afford to make another poor batch of signings as that certainly will see changes made.

You are beyond obsessive and sooooo Fu*king boring.
What do you do in the real world because on here you are a compulsive, monotonous, repetative tw@t?
How many times are you going to tell us you hate Carroll? How many ways are you going to say the same thing? How many posts with the same droning sh'it? Is the answer blowing in the wind, because you are talking through your ar'se?
Give it a rest. Carroll is staying, as is KK (so glad you dont want him sacked now).
If you are trying to wear us down with your constant brain-numbing message so that we will all protest and start a lynch mob for Carrolls head, forget it. Most of the people I speak to are not particularly impressed with him, but they agree theres has been improvement and believe he should be starting every game. Your evil attempt to brainwash us isnt working so desist and go and tidy the kitchen, or something...

Yes and you sound like a broken record yourself. Why don't you try taking the blinkers and rose tinted glasses off and try, just try, to think for yourself instead of following the masses, it is so liberating. Carroll is the worst striker in the league and on current form Kenny, by his results not his passion, is the worst manager.

Surely you'd prefer a manager who could win more games for us or a striker who could score more goals, if not then you are an absolute idiot, if yes then stop bitching like a girl and realise that kenny is not what's best for the club and Carroll certainly isn't.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:52 pm

heimdall:
"Yes and you sound like a broken record yourself. Why don't you try taking the blinkers and rose tinted glasses off and try, just try, to think for yourself instead of following the masses, it is so liberating. Carroll is the worst striker in the league and on current form Kenny, by his results not his passion, is the worst manager.

Surely you'd prefer a manager who could win more games for us or a striker who could score more goals, if not then you are an absolute idiot, if yes then stop bitching like a girl and realise that kenny is not what's best for the club and Carroll certainly isn't."

I honestly love people like you, and Im not being sarcastic.
The irony of your post is utterly brilliant. Which "masses" am I following?
Ive no idea whether Carroll is or isnt the worst striker, as Im sure we could go through each club and see that each of their strikers have strengths and weaknesses. Dont forget Carroll is a young man who has come to a massive club with huge expectations. As long as he is learning, which he is, developing, which he is, and contributing, which he is, then I am satisfied that he will become a valuable asset to LFC.
Although KK is in charge at this disappointing phase in the season, form or not, he is not the worst manager in the league by a long shot. I believe he is best for this club at this present time and anyone who wants to swap managers after a year needs to fu'ck off and support chelsea.
Of couse I would prefer to win more games, are you really that thick that you would need to ask that question? But I tend to think long term and whats best for the future of LFC not be influenced by knobs on phone ins and ignorant hypocritical cu'nts in the media.
Or the "masses" as you call them

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:51 pm

The case being :
1,if our patience is rewarded and Kenny gets the team playing consistently and subsequently reaps the rewards .
2, if the dissenters are proved right and Liverpool constantly struggle under Dalglish culminating in his removal .

So based on the assumption we all love the club unremittingly ......WHICH SET OF FANS WOULD FEEL BETTER ?

by **mart** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:03 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:51 pm wrote:The case being :
1,if our patience is rewarded and Kenny gets the team playing consistently and subsequently reaps the rewards .
2, if the dissenters are proved right and Liverpool constantly struggle under Dalglish culminating in his removal .

So based on the assumption we all love the club unremittingly ......WHICH SET OF FANS WOULD FEEL BETTER ?

If the team starts playing consistently well both sets of supporters would be happy regardless of how it happens.

by **7_Kewell** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:27 pm

parchpea » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:12 pm wrote:Wouldnt surprise me if Carroll, Adam and Downing are sold and possibly Kuyt to raise funds.

Be a kick in the teeth for Dagger but I would have even more respect for him if he did that,
admitted he got it wrong and move on in another direction.

Ferguson did much the same early in his tenure, ripped up his plan and started over and it
worked.

Personally I think thats what we need to do.

spot on.

by **eds** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:54 pm

parchpea » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:12 pm wrote:Be a kick in the teeth for Dagger but I would have even more respect for him if he did that,
admitted he got it wrong and move on in another direction.

This is what I want the most from Kenny.

Just accept your mistakes, admit it to the fans and lets see how we go rectifying this the mess at the end of the season.

But realistically it won't happen, as the owners would most likely give him the flick if he came out and admitted his very, very expensive mistakes.

Selling the likes of Adam, Downing, Kuyt and Carroll won't really hurst us (except financially), buying players of the exact same nature will be the final nails in our coffin to mid-table oblivion.

by **red till i die!!** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:26 am

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Selling the likes of Adam, Downing, Kuyt and Carroll won't really hurst us (except financially), buying players of the exact same nature will be the final nails in our coffin to mid-table oblivion.[/quote]

agree with this bit but id keep downing and carroll and replace kuyt,maxi,aqualani,cole,spearing,aurelio and adam with at least 3 much improved signings ready for the first team.we need better players who will get the most out of the underperforming ones.there is key areas that need addressed and its a striker along with a right mid and a playmaker.these have to be vast improvements on what we last bought in terms of quality and need to be ready to muck in from the off.
but likewise as you said if we buy more of the same then mid-table could be a possibility for a couple of years till we generate a winning formula again.

by **mart** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:49 am

red till i die!! » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:26 pm wrote:
agree with this bit but id keep downing and carroll and replace kuyt,maxi,aqualani,cole,spearing,aurelio and adam with at least 3 much improved signings ready for the first team.

I dont think we will get much for any of those players if we can sell them at all. Definetly not enough to get 3 much improved signings ready for the first team.

by **D___C** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:35 am

eds » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:54 pm wrote:
parchpea » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:12 pm wrote:Be a kick in the teeth for Dagger but I would have even more respect for him if he did that,
admitted he got it wrong and move on in another direction.

This is what I want the most from Kenny.

Just accept your mistakes, admit it to the fans and lets see how we go rectifying this the mess at the end of the season.

But realistically it won't happen, as the owners would most likely give him the flick if he came out and admitted his very, very expensive mistakes.

Selling the likes of Adam, Downing, Kuyt and Carroll won't really hurst us (except financially), buying players of the exact same nature will be the final nails in our coffin to mid-table oblivion.

Absolutely. There is only one thing worse than making a mistake, and thats compounding it (persisting with something that is wrong). If you make a mistake and recognise it, the damage is limited. The two definites are Adam and Carroll.. neither had any pedigree prior to us signing them.. Adam a championship player/sold by Rangers, Carroll available at 2million in August 2009 prior to a season in the championship and 16 months before coming here/poor goal return/weak on the floor according to Glenn Roeder who coached him at Newcastle. Both have lived up to their billing, and neither have any place at Anfield. Danny Murphy is vastly superior to Charle Adam and wasn't good enough for us, Peter Crouch is vastly superior to Andy Carroll and wasn't good enough for us.. we are meant to be going forwards not backwards, but thats where signing average players takes you.

Although Kenny has come out with some strange comments lately in which he is questioning the criticism and trying to paint a much rosier picture, his actions contradict that as he routinely leaves players he bought on the bench. He's fully aware of the error, now why he cant come clean on this is anyones guess (perhaps trying to tread carefully and not knock the confidence of the players further). What is clear is things are not right, and the changes in the summer will decide everything for Kenny.

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:24 am

RED BEERGOGGLES » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:51 pm wrote:The case being :
1,if our patience is rewarded and Kenny gets the team playing consistently and subsequently reaps the rewards .
2, if the dissenters are proved right and Liverpool constantly struggle under Dalglish culminating in his removal .

So based on the assumption we all love the club unremittingly ......WHICH SET OF FANS WOULD FEEL BETTER ?

Tough one. :suspect:

by **alwayslfc** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:35 am

What these managers and players say in front of the cameras and behind closed doors I'm sure are totally different. I am sure Kenny knows Carroll, Adam, Henderson and Downing have been a disaster but he never admitted it in public. Hey, if fans like us know, I am 200% certain Kenny knows too. Like a politician, he has to say the 'right' things to cover his backside. How can the players be tired when we all knew right at the beginning of the season we have no European football to distract our league campaign while the Arsenal, City, Manure, Spurs, Chelsea who are all miles ahead of us in the table had. Weren't their legs tired too?

I am curious to what FSG's next move will be regarding Kenny's position and funding for improved signings. Those 4 dud signings have to be replaced and if Kenny is to remain for another season, he has to, by his actions admitted his mistakes and sign better players.

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