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ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
are man united looking to get rid of nani because of the way he carries on? if this club sells suarez it has lost the plot.

If a player wants to leave, there's nothing a club can do about it. They either sell the player for the highest price possible or they run his contract down and allow him to leave on a Bosman.

Luis Suarez as good as he is for Uruguay and was for Ajax, hasn't delivered for us on a consistent basis yet, in fact he has been highly wasteful this season and such wastefulness has cost us this season.

it be would quite ironic that the one outstanding player Kenny did sign was the first to leave the club.

Simply cannot happen.

D___C wrote:it be would quite ironic that the one outstanding player Kenny did sign was the first to leave the club.

Simply cannot happen.

People said this about Michael Owen and then Fernando Torres. I am also positive that people said this about Keegan as well when he was a player playing for us.

If Suarez wants to leave for P.S.G in the summer, then as long as P.S.G stump up a lot of money, I reckon we should let him leave. Every single player is replaceable, Suarez is no exception.

Boxscarf wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
are man united looking to get rid of nani because of the way he carries on? if this club sells suarez it has lost the plot.

If a player wants to leave, there's nothing a club can do about it. They either sell the player for the highest price possible or they run his contract down and allow him to leave on a Bosman.

Luis Suarez as good as he is for Uruguay and was for Ajax, hasn't delivered for us on a consistent basis yet, in fact he has been highly wasteful this season and such wastefulness has cost us this season.

he`ll have a long wait if he wants to run his contract down, he`s under contract for another four years yet.
do you think spurs made the right decision not allowing modric to leave? i do.

Boxscarf wrote:

D___C wrote:it be would quite ironic that the one outstanding player Kenny did sign was the first to leave the club.

Simply cannot happen.

People said this about Michael Owen and then Fernando Torres. I am also positive that people said this about Keegan as well when he was a player playing for us.

If Suarez wants to leave for P.S.G in the summer, then as long as P.S.G stump up a lot of money, I reckon we should let him leave. Every single player is replaceable, Suarez is no exception.

We havent exactly replaced Torres though.

Since we are struggling in the league and wont play champions league next season we will have a hard enough time attracting the best players. It wont help if we sell one of our few top players.

Boxscarf wrote:

D___C wrote:it be would quite ironic that the one outstanding player Kenny did sign was the first to leave the club.

Simply cannot happen.

People said this about Michael Owen and then Fernando Torres. I am also positive that people said this about Keegan as well when he was a player playing for us.

If Suarez wants to leave for P.S.G in the summer, then as long as P.S.G stump up a lot of money, I reckon we should let him leave. Every single player is replaceable, Suarez is no exception.

get rid of the dregs first.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
he`ll have a long wait if he wants to run his contract down, he`s under contract for another four years yet.
do you think spurs made the right decision not allowing modric to leave? i do.

Who is to say Modric won't leave this summer? Who is to say that Modric wanted to leave? It was all blown up in the media and seeing as Spurs are higher than Chelsea in the League, I'd say Modric should remain where he is. Spurs unless they make a massive ***** up now are pretty much odds on to get CL football next season, the same cannot be said for Chelsea at the moment.

As for Luis, I don't want him to leave, I want him to stay, but if he wants to leave, then why force a player to stay? If a footballer doesn't want to play for us, that's fine, let him go and play somewhere else, Torres looks happy at Chelsea doesn't he? As the saying goes "the grass is always greener..."

Boxscarf wrote:

D___C wrote:it be would quite ironic that the one outstanding player Kenny did sign was the first to leave the club.

Simply cannot happen.

People said this about Michael Owen and then Fernando Torres. I am also positive that people said this about Keegan as well when he was a player playing for us.

If Suarez wants to leave for P.S.G in the summer, then as long as P.S.G stump up a lot of money, I reckon we should let him leave. Every single player is replaceable, Suarez is no exception.

it`s not 1977 any more, it`s harder to replace your top players when you are not competing for the top prizes, if dalglish was playing these days and he became available he`d be off to city or united not us.
torres came to liverpool after he saw us appear in 2 CL finals in the previous 3 seasons. at the moment we cant afford to lose our best players and suarez is our best player, if we start challenging for the title and get back in the CL again and start getting to the latter stages of the competition then maybe we can start offloading good players if they are not happy for a particular reason, but at the moment we cant afford to do it.

mart wrote:We havent exactly replaced Torres though.

Since we are struggling in the league and wont play champions league next season we will have a hard enough time attracting the best players. It wont help if we sell one of our few top players.

We haven't replaced Hyypia, Alonso, Mascherano or Arbeloa yet.

I am not saying that we should sell Suarez, if PSG offer us £45m and Suarez is happy to remain at Liverpool then by all means reject the offer. If PSG offer £45m and Suarez says "I wish to speak with PSG" then allow him to do so and if he leaves, wish him the best and find a replacement.

Newcastle lost Barton, Carroll and Nolan and are doing better this season than last season.

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ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
it`s not 1977 any more, it`s harder to replace your top players when you are not competing for the top prizes, if dalglish was playing these days and became available he`d be off to city or united not us.
torres came to liverpool after he saw us appear in 2 CL finals in the previous 3 seasons. at the moment we cant afford to lose our best players and suarez is our best player, if start challenging for the title and get back in the CL again and start getting to the latter stages of the competition then maybe we can start offloading good players if they are not happy for a particular reason, but at the moment we cant afford to do it.

The principle still applies, this club will still survive whether or not Luis Suarez is here or not. Losing Suarez is not all doom and gloom, this club is more than capable of attracting talented players.

No one wants to lose their best players, but my argument is that if a player wants to leave then by all means let him leave. Luis Suarez is the be and end all of our club and I disagree with the sentiment that he is our best player at the club, I'd say our best player this season has been Craig Bellamy, but I suppose this is subjective, someone might think Kuyt has been our best performer or Martin Skrtel.

If Suarez wants to stay then that's fantastic, if he doesn't then that's too bad, just cut our losses and sell him to the highest bidder.

Boxscarf wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
he`ll have a long wait if he wants to run his contract down, he`s under contract for another four years yet.
do you think spurs made the right decision not allowing modric to leave? i do.

Who is to say Modric won't leave this summer? Who is to say that Modric wanted to leave? It was all blown up in the media and seeing as Spurs are higher than Chelsea in the League, I'd say Modric should remain where he is. Spurs unless they make a massive ***** up now are pretty much odds on to get CL football next season, the same cannot be said for Chelsea at the moment.

As for Luis, I don't want him to leave, I want him to stay, but if he wants to leave, then why force a player to stay? If a footballer doesn't want to play for us, that's fine, let him go and play somewhere else, Torres looks happy at Chelsea doesn't he? As the saying goes "the grass is always greener..."

that wasnt paper talk mate modric wanted out, i remember seeing an interview with the spurs chairman and he was adamant (not the singer!) that modric was going nowhere because spurs wanted to get back in the CL and fair dues to them their tough stance has paid dividends, and as you say he might want to stay now which validates their strong stance even more.
if that was us modric would have gone to one of our main rivals, we would have lost the fulcrum of the side and the team would have suffered, by putting their foot down and sticking to their guns they avoided the type of tailspin we went into when our playmaker xabi alonso left.
the days have gone were if the player wants to leave you just let him go, he may go eventually but on the clubs terms, when the club is ready to let him go. we arent ready to let suarez go, nowhere near ready.

Boxscarf wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
it`s not 1977 any more, it`s harder to replace your top players when you are not competing for the top prizes, if dalglish was playing these days and became available he`d be off to city or united not us.
torres came to liverpool after he saw us appear in 2 CL finals in the previous 3 seasons. at the moment we cant afford to lose our best players and suarez is our best player, if start challenging for the title and get back in the CL again and start getting to the latter stages of the competition then maybe we can start offloading good players if they are not happy for a particular reason, but at the moment we cant afford to do it.

The principle still applies, this club will still survive whether or not Luis Suarez is here or not. Losing Suarez is not all doom and gloom, this club is more than capable of attracting talented players.

No one wants to lose their best players, but my argument is that if a player wants to leave then by all means let him leave. Luis Suarez is the be and end all of our club and I disagree with the sentiment that he is our best player at the club, I'd say our best player this season has been Craig Bellamy, but I suppose this is subjective, someone might think Kuyt has been our best performer or Martin Skrtel.

If Suarez wants to stay then that's fantastic, if he doesn't then that's too bad, just cut our losses and sell him to the highest bidder.

no i disagree, if suarez wants to go we keep him until the club is ready to let him go.
i remember hearing an interview with graeme souness and he said one of his biggest mistakes as manager was letting a lot of players leave the club on their terms rather than the clubs terms, when he first arrived quite a few players immediately threw in transfer requests (they had heard the stories from rangers about how `in your face` souness was as a manager, dont forget he was in his mid 30`s back then and still firey) and souness couldnt believe that anyone would want to leave liverpool so he thought `f##k the lot of you, you can go`.
he said in hindsight what he should have done was keep them until he had found proper replacements for them all and moved them on when it suited the club, not the players.

What happens if Modric wants out again this summer? Spurs will have to sell Modric eventually if Modric wants to leave or they risk losing him on a free transfer, this was the reality that Wenger had to face with Cesc Fabregas. He could only fight off Barcelona's approaches so much before he had to concede defeat in the fight to keep Fabregas at Arsenal.

I often think keeping a player at the club when he doesn't want to be there is detrimental to the club. Look at the fiasco the Gerrard saga of 2005 and 2006 caused our club. If a player wants to walk, then I think the club should just cut their loss and move on. Fighting to keep a player at a club he doesn't want to play for is an uphill battle and battle that is very rarely won by the club.

In the modern game, the footballer has more control over his contract than his employer, not even Manchester United could keep hold of Ronaldo and they were winning the League season in, season out and were challenging for the Champions League too.

Boxscarf wrote:What happens if Modric wants out again this summer? Spurs will have to sell Modric eventually if Modric wants to leave or they risk losing him on a free transfer, this was the reality that Wenger had to face with Cesc Fabregas. He could only fight off Barcelona's approaches so much before he had to concede defeat in the fight to keep Fabregas at Arsenal.

I often think keeping a player at the club when he doesn't want to be there is detrimental to the club. Look at the fiasco the Gerrard saga of 2005 and 2006 caused our club. If a player wants to walk, then I think the club should just cut their loss and move on. Fighting to keep a player at a club he doesn't want to play for is an uphill battle and battle that is very rarely won by the club.

In the modern game, the footballer has more control over his contract than his employer, not even Manchester United could keep hold of Ronaldo and they were winning the League season in, season out and were challenging for the Champions League too.

if manchester united werent in the debt that they were they would have kept ronaldo just like they kept rooney, at the time they needed that money to pay off the banks.
i cant believe you are trying to say we did the wrong thing in fighting to keep gerrard.
if players are unhappy as i said you accept that they want to leave but you make sure they leave when the club is good and ready to let them leave.
this is the wrong time for liverpool to let their best player go. if bosmans come into the equation like they did with fabregas then there`s not much a club can do in that situation but with suarez we dont have that problem at the moment.

Say Suarez wants to leave for PSG and Liverpool say "no thank you, Suarez is staying at Liverpool", what's to say that Suarez won't be on the first plane back to Uruguay? Carlos Tevez has shown a footballer can pretty much behave how they like and there is little his employer can do about it. If Manchester City were to cancel his contract tomorrow, you can bet your house on most of the big clubs in Europe would be getting in touch with his agent to arrange a free transfer into their club.