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Thommo's perm wrote:

mart wrote:

Thommo's perm wrote:I cant think of any sane person who would want the job.
And can I just remind you that were on our 3rd manager since 2005. If the "KK out" crew get their way it will be 4 in seven years

Considering you get a fat paycheck for managing chelsea and another big load of money if/when you are sacked i doubt they will have much trouble finding someone.

Ok
An insane, greedy person
Got anyone in mind?

Pretty much any manager in the world that does not already have a job at one of the top clubs.

metalhead wrote:We need to be patient.. that is all

We do, but in terms of the League we've been dreadful over the last three seasons and it's gotten to the point where I do not feel any confidence going into games. You know your team has problems when you are feeling a lack of confidence in a Cup final.

mart wrote:
Pretty much any manager in the world that does not already have a job at one of the top clubs.

AVB wouldn't be a bad choice, he did very well with Porto and would have done well with Chelsea had he had support from the Dictator, the Chairman and the players at Chelsea.

Boxscarf wrote:

metalhead wrote:We need to be patient.. that is all

We do, but in terms of the League we've been dreadful over the last three seasons and it's gotten to the point where I do not feel any confidence going into games. You know your team has problems when you are feeling a lack of confidence in a Cup final.

why do you think so? why have we been dreadful in the past 3 seasons in the league? there are huge reasons for that, first off we sacked Rafa, got an inferior coach, had the ownership saga resolved after a horrible time with the previous owners and got a new coach at helm! ITS VALID REASONS, we won't improve our league performance unless we have stability (which we have right now) and time (which everyone need to be patient about) in order to build a squad to fight for top 4. It will take time and patience, I'll give it another 2 or 3 years until we cement ourselves in the top 4!!! YES THAT MUCH TIME! remember we are still picking ourselves up.

yesterday was imo the worst display since kenny took over.we were stale and rarely even threatened to get it going.
again our selection was wrong,a midfield 3 of henderson spearing and adam clearly doesnt work.they were woeful and offered nothing to the front men.they just sat in front of the defence and on the rare occasion they managed to get forward with the ball the delivery was poor.we will never beat teams if our strikers have to battle for possession on the half way line.
another worrying thing is how slow we are to move the ball forward,countless times our players make the wrong decisions like henderson yesterday,he recieved the ball in from a throw in and starts heading across the pitch and he looks for kelly coming up on the opposite wing, he plays the ball to kelly with 3 sunderland defenders between him and the pass and he played a 1-2 and gave the ball back 40yds into our own area rather than turn inside and take those 3 out of the game.it was about 4 mins into the start of the 2nd half and he completely wasted an opertunity to put them on the back foot.
he isnt guilty of this sort of stuff alone as adam and spearing were equally as bad.the worrying thing is that any team with any sort of organised defence will mop the floors with us everytime.
we created so little and imo it was the midfield that was terrible and cost us that game.
4-3-3 it what we started with and it was completly the wrong people used.
it took kenny long enough also to make the subs after we went 1 down and he should have made changes at half time as we just picked up were we left off at the end of the 1st and by the time we did make changes it was almost 2 late to turn it around.
its sad to see some of the stuff posted in the last few pages and he doesnt deserve to be in this position where people want rid of him.
i can understand some peoples reactions as it is his signings that have been underachieving but honestly no one could predict the level that they have and id say kenny is gutted with the performances yesterday.
he needs to sort them out and boost morale before tuesday because if they play like that against the bitters it will be embarrassing and the pressure will further begin to mount.

metalhead wrote:

Boxscarf wrote:

metalhead wrote:We need to be patient.. that is all

We do, but in terms of the League we've been dreadful over the last three seasons and it's gotten to the point where I do not feel any confidence going into games. You know your team has problems when you are feeling a lack of confidence in a Cup final.

why do you think so? why have we been dreadful in the past 3 seasons in the league? there are huge reasons for that, first off we sacked Rafa, got an inferior coach, had the ownership saga resolved after a horrible time with the previous owners and got a new coach at helm! ITS VALID REASONS, we won't improve our league performance unless we have stability (which we have right now) and time (which everyone need to be patient about) in order to build a squad to fight for top 4. It will take time and patience, I'll give it another 2 or 3 years until we cement ourselves in the top 4!!! YES THAT MUCH TIME! remember we are still picking ourselves up.

exactly mate, spot on!

metalhead wrote:
why do you think so? why have we been dreadful in the past 3 seasons in the league? there are huge reasons for that, first off we sacked Rafa, got an inferior coach, had the ownership saga resolved after a horrible time with the previous owners and got a new coach at helm! ITS VALID REASONS, we won't improve our league performance unless we have stability (which we have right now) and time (which everyone need to be patient about) in order to build a squad to fight for top 4. It will take time and patience, I'll give it another 2 or 3 years until we cement ourselves in the top 4!!! YES THAT MUCH TIME! remember we are still picking ourselves up.

Instability is one reason. The other reasons we're in the mess we are in is because some of the players we've signed aren't good enough to be playing for a side that has aspirations of being in the CL season after season, another reason is that we've been highly inconsistent in the last three seasons.

This season is just evident that we are not a top four side and won't be unless we start bringing in real quality in the mould of Alonso, Mascherano, Hyypia and Torres.

Boxscarf wrote:

metalhead wrote:
why do you think so? why have we been dreadful in the past 3 seasons in the league? there are huge reasons for that, first off we sacked Rafa, got an inferior coach, had the ownership saga resolved after a horrible time with the previous owners and got a new coach at helm! ITS VALID REASONS, we won't improve our league performance unless we have stability (which we have right now) and time (which everyone need to be patient about) in order to build a squad to fight for top 4. It will take time and patience, I'll give it another 2 or 3 years until we cement ourselves in the top 4!!! YES THAT MUCH TIME! remember we are still picking ourselves up.

Instability is one reason. The other reasons we're in the mess we are in is because some of the players we've signed aren't good enough to be playing for a side that has aspirations of being in the CL season after season, another reason is that we've been highly inconsistent in the last three seasons.

This season is just evident that we are not a top four side and won't be unless we start bringing in real quality in the mould of Alonso, Mascherano, Hyypia and Torres.

Bringing players like Alonso, Mascherano, Hyypia and Torres needs patience and research. We didn't get all of these players directly in one season, it took a few years for Rafa to build a squad for him to challenge for a title, this happened in 2008/2009 4 years after he took charge! It will also take Kenny another 2 or 3 years for him to build a squad and get the right players he needs to challenge for top 4/ title. Even Man City under Mancini, they took their time and 3 years later they are fighting for the title. Tottenham showed that they don't need CL money to invest in quality players, they bought the right ones season after season and now they are sitting 3rd in the league. The same can be said about Liverpool FC! Fans forget that we have invested in Bellamy, Suarez and Enrique, who are excellent players, but instead we focus on the big buys, who, some still have a chance to prove their worth. Players like Henderson and Carroll are still young and growing, with time and effort both of these players are going to be good players for this club. Adam was signed as a squad player, he chipped in 6 assists this season and had a really good first half season with some excellent displays, but fans focus on the poor games he had. Hopefully, with Lucas coming back we will see a better Adam because he will have more freedom to go forward (which he is good at) and create chances. I'll give you Downing though, pretty average for a 20m winger.

We also need to realize that NOT ALL PERFORMANCES were bad this season, we had 3 or 4 bad ones, but the other ones we were just extremely unlucky with our missed chances, and at time we played some really fluid football! You just need to rewatch the home games this season, outplaying the other team but not scoring enough goals. If we just tweak that in the summer by getting a clinical finisher we would be cruising in most home games. Its not like our performances were awful this season, and frankly those moronic fans who compare Roy Hodgson to Kenny Dalglish need to get their heads checked or simply f*ck off

The tactics don't convince at all. Too much of the play revolves around knocking it around in front of the opposition instead of trying to get in behind them. Also the current team isn't good enough to try and get in through the middle with these one two flicks and touches. The tempo of the team is also too slow and laboured. When Carroll does play he gets bypassed most of the time in terms of service from the flanks. When he's left out the ball is constantly knocked long or crosses do come into the box with nobody there to feed off them.

In short at the moment the team isn't working tactically. If Carroll is to start games with or without Suarez there has to be two wingers on the pitch who are going to consistently get to the byline and pull it back. Also the midfield including Adam have to start getting into the box. If you get balls into the box regularly with players in the box you will usually score at least one goal in most games. For all the problems with Rafa's teams we never scored fewer than about 55 goals a season because there were usually players in the right position in the box.

The deficiencies with the current team are not rocket science it probably wouldn't take much to get things going again.

I'm not disputing anything that you've written, but for to the owners to have given Kenny £100m and for him to have signed Adam, Carroll, Henderson or Downing is a little disappointing, I was hoping he would have brought in a better quality of player for that much money. I'm not saying that Adam, Carroll, Henderson and Downing are poor players, but I often wonder whether or not had Kenny looked abroad could have found better players for cheaper prices? We've paid a lot of money for these players and they haven't really delivered for us this season - maybe they'll deliver next season? I sure hope so, because otherwise if these players aren't delivering consistent performances on a regular basis we'll have flushed a lot of money down the toilet and such wastage is inexcusable.

I'm prepared to give Kenny's signings time to prove me wrong and deliver good performances on a consistent basis, but I can't say I'm happy with this season in terms of our League performance and the fact that we create so many chances and have wasted around 91% percent of them.

friendlyguy33 wrote:The tactics don't convince at all. Too much of the play revolves around knocking it around in front of the opposition instead of trying to get in behind them. Also the current team isn't good enough to try and get in through the middle with these one two flicks and touches. The tempo of the team is also too slow and laboured. When Carroll does play he gets bypassed most of the time in terms of service from the flanks. When he's left out the ball is constantly knocked long or crosses do come into the box with nobody there to feed off them.

In short at the moment the team isn't working tactically. If Carroll is to start games with or without Suarez there has to be two wingers on the pitch who are going to consistently get to the byline and pull it back. Also the midfield including Adam have to start getting into the box. If you get balls into the box regularly with players in the box you will usually score at least one goal in most games. For all the problems with Rafa's teams we never scored fewer than about 55 goals a season because there were usually players in the right position in the box.

The deficiencies with the current team are not rocket science it probably wouldn't take much to get things going again.

benitez`s teams were even worse in terms of committing men forward, especially into the area, the difference was that benitez had torres and gerrard at the peak of their powers in his sides. you are always going to have a respectable goal tally with those 2 up front.
i agree with some of what you say though mate, it is baffling why we seem to bombard the opposition box with crosses when carroll isnt in the side but the moment he is in the team we seem to stop crossing it.

friendlyguy33 wrote:The tactics don't convince at all. Too much of the play revolves around knocking it around in front of the opposition instead of trying to get in behind them. Also the current team isn't good enough to try and get in through the middle with these one two flicks and touches. The tempo of the team is also too slow and laboured. When Carroll does play he gets bypassed most of the time in terms of service from the flanks. When he's left out the ball is constantly knocked long or crosses do come into the box with nobody there to feed off them.

In short at the moment the team isn't working tactically. If Carroll is to start games with or without Suarez there has to be two wingers on the pitch who are going to consistently get to the byline and pull it back. Also the midfield including Adam have to start getting into the box. If you get balls into the box regularly with players in the box you will usually score at least one goal in most games. For all the problems with Rafa's teams we never scored fewer than about 55 goals a season because there were usually players in the right position in the box.

The deficiencies with the current team are not rocket science it probably wouldn't take much to get things going again.

I disagree with people when they say that Kenny's tactics are all wrong. We create a lot of chances under Dalglish, but we're too toothless in front of goal and that's why we are doing so badly. We've got the second best defence in the league, only behind Manchester City. Our problems lie mainly in attack, we're so wasteful, it's unbelievable. Against Cardiff in 120 minutes of football, we created 39 chances, 19 were on target and only two resulted in goals - if a team like Manchester City or United had that many chances, you can guarantee they'd put four or five past the opposition, maybe more.

That's the fundamental difference between the likes of Manchester City, United and Spurs is that the top teams take their chances. Against Sunderland we created a total of 8 chances, 3 were on target. Just think if we had taken one of those chances, we'd have secured a point, if we had taken two we'd have walked away with maximum points.

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Boxscarf wrote:

friendlyguy33 wrote:The tactics don't convince at all. Too much of the play revolves around knocking it around in front of the opposition instead of trying to get in behind them. Also the current team isn't good enough to try and get in through the middle with these one two flicks and touches. The tempo of the team is also too slow and laboured. When Carroll does play he gets bypassed most of the time in terms of service from the flanks. When he's left out the ball is constantly knocked long or crosses do come into the box with nobody there to feed off them.

In short at the moment the team isn't working tactically. If Carroll is to start games with or without Suarez there has to be two wingers on the pitch who are going to consistently get to the byline and pull it back. Also the midfield including Adam have to start getting into the box. If you get balls into the box regularly with players in the box you will usually score at least one goal in most games. For all the problems with Rafa's teams we never scored fewer than about 55 goals a season because there were usually players in the right position in the box.

The deficiencies with the current team are not rocket science it probably wouldn't take much to get things going again.

I disagree with people when they say that Kenny's tactics are all wrong. We create a lot of chances under Dalglish, but we're too toothless in front of goal and that's why we are doing so badly. We've got the second best defence in the league, only behind Manchester City. Our problems lie mainly in attack, we're so wasteful, it's unbelievable. Against Cardiff in 120 minutes of football, we created 39 chances, 19 were on target and only two resulted in goals - if a team like Manchester City or United had that many chances, you can guarantee they'd put four or five past the opposition, maybe more.

That's the fundamental difference between the likes of Manchester City, United and Spurs is that the top teams take their chances. Against Sunderland we created a total of 8 chances, 3 were on target. Just think if we had taken one of those chances, we'd have secured a point, if we had taken two we'd have walked away with maximum points.

This all day for me. Give or take a few games where the lads played very poorly (yesterday being one of them) the performances have for the most part been pretty decent but no one can stick the bloody ball in the net. Ten games left in the league and the most obvious change up for me would be to get the skipper playing further forward, ideally in the hole behind Suarez (or even Carroll). We ciould really use his energy, urgency, directness and ultimately the goal threat he brings to the side. For me he is seeing too much of the ball in our final 3rd and not enough in the oppositions. Sure he can play the holding role , particulalry with Lucas out for the season but i'd much rather see him higher up the pitch where he can do the most damage. Let yougn Spearing play the holding role and Stevie can do it when he's 34.

Kenny started with a pretty poor squad because of mess left behind by the previous owners, you can't rebuild that overnight. The first phase was to get rid of the players with no future at LFC and bring in some new talent.

We were never going to bring in world superstars on 200k per week but we did bring in some promising players who had experience in the EPL, some who should have been at their peak and some younger players who could continue to improve. I think we were looking for players who had played in EPL, they just happened to be British. A few positions looked a bit weak but we had players to cover so it wasn't looking too bad, all for about £37 million and 4th place seemed a realistic prospect.

The problems started with injuries to Stevie and then Lucas and the drop in performance of Carra and it's not easy for new players (and coaches) coming into a team that isn't playing well. On top of all this our lack of quality in certain areas really started to tell.

I think it was a mistake not signing a natural goal scorer and perhaps a winger in January although it's not the best time to look for new talent. I think we have the basis of a good squad and if the owners back Kenny with a some quality signings in the summer, the current players will show their true potential and we should be able to challenge for the top places next season.

What we need is backing from the owners, some quality additions to the squad and stability !