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by **Kerry07** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:17 am

Scottbot wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:And that right there is the fear that i mentioned. The special dispensation. Rather than judging his performance like any other manager, he has accrued credits among the "older fans" that mean he can do what the hell he likes. Hes untouchable.

I didnt actually say i want him sacked.. what i have asked for is where are we moving forward? What evidence is there that next season will be any different?

Special dispensation? Too right he gets special dispensation and if you can't understand why, if you don't see it, if you need someone to explain it then you're probably never going to understand. And as for being untouchable or being able to do what he likes? If things don't go well it will be Kenny who takes the decision to walk away because he is utterly selfless when it comes to Liverpool Football Club. and I don't think you need to be an older fan to see that.

So Kenny Dalglish losing a game is not the equivalent of another man in charge losing a game?

I'm not questioning this or suprised by it by the way.. its exactly what i feared.

As i said.. had Roy Hodgson signed Andy Carroll he would have got massacred. And watching us draw 1-1 at home to Arsenal where we desperately need a goal, while a forward he spent 35million pound on sits on the bench, imagine the response to that.

Everyone who says we need to sign a striker who scores goals... that in itself is condemning Kenny as he spent 35million on a forward who doesnt.

by **Basil** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:22 am

What is Damien Comolli's job, is he not the person in charge of the scouting and analysis of potential players ?

Do we have a team of coaches who should be coaching the squad to the highest standards and making sure the players play to their potential ?

Do we have a chief exec/general manager put in charge by owners who bought the club at a bargain price and who's aim was to get this club back to the top ?

Kenny might be the manager and takes most of the blame but he's not the only one involved in running this club.

I thought we would break into the top four this season, I thought we would sign a couple of top players in January and I'm still hoping we will continue to build in the summer.

I think the players we bought over the last year have helped to strengthen the squad, we've got rid of most of the players that were not good enough and replaced them with better players but a couple of senior players are not as young as they were, we've badly missed Lucas and we're sadly lacking in a couple of positions.

With the Torres of a few years ago in our squad now we would easily be in the top four but he's not the player he was and £50M was good business for him.

Kenny and the owners know this season has not been good enough and will hopefully be working hard to make sure it doesn't happen again next season. We do need to strenthen over the summer and this includes a couple of top players.

Nowadays people want instant success and demand sackings if it doesn't happen but it's no good really, we need stability and a sustainable plan.

Let's get behind the players, the coaches, the manager, the owners - we are Liverpool FC not Chelsea or one of the Manc teams.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:55 am

dundreamin wrote:Fuc.ksake 7 days since we won a trophy and the moaners re-emerge. This time next season you p.ricks will be praising kenny. WAIT AND SEE.

I'll back that. It's a work in progress. notes will be made and adjustments will be done as we go along. Kenny and his staff know what is needed but they can't do it instantly. The buying and selling of players can only be done during the transfer window so until then he has to field players like Adam because thats all we have... at the moment. Just wait until summer and see who they bring in. then Kenny can afford to pick and choose who he starts and who he drops. I think it was in Kenny's latest book where he said some transfers are sorted out 6 months before they become public. They know players they want and the deals are done well in advance.

Lets just wait and see what changes are made but I really hope the manager is not one of them. Kenny understands this club inside out and given the time and some financial backing from John Henry (who lets face it is fuking minted, he spends £200 million a year on wages alone at the red sox!!) he can make this club greater.

So we lost to Ar$enal due to a late goal scored by a player who lets face it is fuking dealy in front of goal and who will fek off to Barca next season. Kenny's fault RV Persie is so good and rarely misses? I think not.

Kenny's fault for not bringing Bellamy on until minute 83? yes of course it is.

Do you Kenny doubters think we will do any better if we boot him? Who would likely to take over then?

Mouriniho - really? Come on folks, no one is bigger than the club. He'll change that statement first day in charge. He'll want full control and 12 months down the line he'll be off again.

Rafa - the second coming. not ideal.

AVB - move along please

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:56 am

Kerry07 wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:And that right there is the fear that i mentioned. The special dispensation. Rather than judging his performance like any other manager, he has accrued credits among the "older fans" that mean he can do what the hell he likes. Hes untouchable.

I didnt actually say i want him sacked.. what i have asked for is where are we moving forward? What evidence is there that next season will be any different?

Special dispensation? Too right he gets special dispensation and if you can't understand why, if you don't see it, if you need someone to explain it then you're probably never going to understand. And as for being untouchable or being able to do what he likes? If things don't go well it will be Kenny who takes the decision to walk away because he is utterly selfless when it comes to Liverpool Football Club. and I don't think you need to be an older fan to see that.

So Kenny Dalglish losing a game is not the equivalent of another man in charge losing a game?

I'm not questioning this or suprised by it by the way.. its exactly what i feared.

As i said.. had Roy Hodgson signed Andy Carroll he would have got massacred. And watching us draw 1-1 at home to Arsenal where we desperately need a goal, while a forward he spent 35million pound on sits on the bench, imagine the response to that.

Everyone who says we need to sign a striker who scores goals... that in itself is condemning Kenny as he spent 35million on a forward who doesnt.

So youve gone from slagging Carroll to slagging KK for buying him. Which is what I said you were doing months ago.
And youre not saying KK should be sacked but you think Mourinho should be the manager.
What a crazy, mixed up, wonderful world you live in
:wwww

by **devaney** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:03 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:And that right there is the fear that i mentioned. The special dispensation. Rather than judging his performance like any other manager, he has accrued credits among the "older fans" that mean he can do what the hell he likes. Hes untouchable.

I didnt actually say i want him sacked.. what i have asked for is where are we moving forward? What evidence is there that next season will be any different?

Special dispensation? Too right he gets special dispensation and if you can't understand why, if you don't see it, if you need someone to explain it then you're probably never going to understand. And as for being untouchable or being able to do what he likes? If things don't go well it will be Kenny who takes the decision to walk away because he is utterly selfless when it comes to Liverpool Football Club. and I don't think you need to be an older fan to see that.

So Kenny Dalglish losing a game is not the equivalent of another man in charge losing a game?

I'm not questioning this or suprised by it by the way.. its exactly what i feared.

As i said.. had Roy Hodgson signed Andy Carroll he would have got massacred. And watching us draw 1-1 at home to Arsenal where we desperately need a goal, while a forward he spent 35million pound on sits on the bench, imagine the response to that.

Everyone who says we need to sign a striker who scores goals... that in itself is condemning Kenny as he spent 35million on a forward who doesnt.

So youve gone from slagging Carroll to slagging KK for buying him. Which is what I said you were doing months ago.
And youre not saying KK should be sacked but you think Mourinho should be the manager.
What a crazy, mixed up, wonderful world you live in

Kerry if memory serves only started supporting Liverpool in 1991. He simply does not grasp that Kenny is held in the same esteem as Bill and Bob. Kerry's lack of respect for one of Liverpool's true legends is thoroughly disgraceful. I'm not convinced that Kerry is nothing other than a WUM who probably supports the Bitters or the Scum. If that is not the case he is one hideous excuse of a supporter.

Any chance of moving him on? I think most of us have had enough of his incredibly depressing dross.

by **red till i die!!** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:52 pm

look at the amount of discussion and interest kerry 07 has brought to the boards?.
personally i think he/she has some good points but most seem to think all he/she wants in to get rid of kenny despite the fact that he/she states different.
i know all about kenny even though he had only a couple seasons left as a player when i began a real interest in liverpool.he then became manager and we had more glory years but some of us are fortunate to have experienced that and others only have vhs or dvd's of our glory years to compare it too.
fwiw i dont think he/she is a wum,bitter or manc either just another supporter who is pessimistic about the direction we are heading in and i dont think other posters should be calling for someone to be banned because their views dont conform to the masses.
i dont agree with everything he/she says either but then again most probably dont agree with what i post either but is this not what this forum is about? a place where all fans young or old can voice their opinion.if every body was to post the same stuff then it would be completely boring wouldnt it?.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:12 pm

red till i die!! wrote:look at the amount of discussion and interest kerry 07 has brought to the boards?.
personally i think he/she has some good points but most seem to think all he/she wants in to get rid of kenny despite the fact that he/she states different.
i know all about kenny even though he had only a couple seasons left as a player when i began a real interest in liverpool.he then became manager and we had more glory years but some of us are fortunate to have experienced that and others only have vhs or dvd's of our glory years to compare it too.
fwiw i dont think he/she is a wum,bitter or manc either just another supporter who is pessimistic about the direction we are heading in and i dont think other posters should be calling for someone to be banned because their views dont conform to the masses.
i dont agree with everything he/she says either but then again most probably dont agree with what i post either but is this not what this forum is about? a place where all fans young or old can voice their opinion.if every body was to post the same stuff then it would be completely boring wouldnt it?.

Yes but when someone has an open agenda which is to get rid of our manager then we must presume that person is suspect.
Kerry has steadily got more bitter with every post where it has now come to the point of blatantly saying that KK should go and Mourinho take his place. That is not the view of a Liverppol supporter no matter what anyone says

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:25 pm

red till i die!! wrote:look at the amount of discussion and interest kerry 07 has brought to the boards?.
personally i think he/she has some good points but most seem to think all he/she wants in to get rid of kenny despite the fact that he/she states different.
i know all about kenny even though he had only a couple seasons left as a player when i began a real interest in liverpool.he then became manager and we had more glory years but some of us are fortunate to have experienced that and others only have vhs or dvd's of our glory years to compare it too.
fwiw i dont think he/she is a wum,bitter or manc either just another supporter who is pessimistic about the direction we are heading in and i dont think other posters should be calling for someone to be banned because their views dont conform to the masses.
i dont agree with everything he/she says either but then again most probably dont agree with what i post either but is this not what this forum is about? a place where all fans young or old can voice their opinion.if every body was to post the same stuff then it would be completely boring wouldnt it?.

I agree that everyone of all ages should be entitled to state their opinions. But its also understandable that posters get frustrated with posts like "Sound out Mourinho" on how we should move forward as a club.

I find it hard to take people seriously when they say they want Mourinho to be our manager. He is everything that this club is not and his transfer policy is the complete opposite of what FSG are trying to do.

by **Octsky** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:41 pm

jacdaniel wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:look at the amount of discussion and interest kerry 07 has brought to the boards?.
personally i think he/she has some good points but most seem to think all he/she wants in to get rid of kenny despite the fact that he/she states different.
i know all about kenny even though he had only a couple seasons left as a player when i began a real interest in liverpool.he then became manager and we had more glory years but some of us are fortunate to have experienced that and others only have vhs or dvd's of our glory years to compare it too.
fwiw i dont think he/she is a wum,bitter or manc either just another supporter who is pessimistic about the direction we are heading in and i dont think other posters should be calling for someone to be banned because their views dont conform to the masses.
i dont agree with everything he/she says either but then again most probably dont agree with what i post either but is this not what this forum is about? a place where all fans young or old can voice their opinion.if every body was to post the same stuff then it would be completely boring wouldnt it?.

I agree that everyone of all ages should be entitled to state their opinions. But its also understandable that posters get frustrated with posts like "Sound out Mourinho" on how we should move forward as a club.

I find it hard to take people seriously when they say they want Mourinho to be our manager. He is everything that this club is not and his transfer policy is the complete opposite of what FSG are trying to do.

ya agreed, lets not get into the argument of getting morihno as our manager.
it like manyoo fans debating whether to get Alan Hansen as their TV pundit for their MUTV because Hansen is a good football pundit.

i think i hv hit the jackpot for Commoli and Kenny's transfer strategy. in theory in every team no matter big or small has a gem player, their star player. So their brilliant strategy is to buy every star player from the teams in the lower standing.

And we end up with Adam (blackpool), Downing (AS), Carroll and Enrique (barcodes). I am not sure whether Hendo was a star at Sunderland or not...
so far this transfer strategy didnt work as well as we like...
in theory it should work if the team "click".
next season will be a good barometer.

by **red till i die!!** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:44 pm

we all question the manager at some stage or another during this season,whether its the team selection,tactics,substitutes or his signings and as he is the current manager he will always be compared to previous ones as well for exactly those reasons.
i rate maureen as a manager but also know what a circus he is,how much he panders to the media and he's not one i would like to see here especially not at the expense of kenny but thats just my opinion and obviously not the same as kerrys but the issue i have is that other posters call for someone to be banned because they dont agree with what they say.
it would be different if he/she was abusing people but from what i see he/she doesnt have any cards to his/her credit so because someones opinion is different is no reason to want them banned.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:14 pm

red till i die!! wrote:we all question the manager at some stage or another during this season,whether its the team selection,tactics,substitutes or his signings and as he is the current manager he will always be compared to previous ones as well for exactly those reasons.
i rate maureen as a manager but also know what a circus he is,how much he panders to the media and he's not one i would like to see here especially not at the expense of kenny but thats just my opinion and obviously not the same as kerrys but the issue i have is that other posters call for someone to be banned because they dont agree with what they say.
it would be different if he/she was abusing people but from what i see he/she doesnt have any cards to his/her credit so because someones opinion is different is no reason to want them banned.

Saying naughty words may be abusive and in some peoples eyes important but it pales into insignificance when someone is blatantly advocating the sacking of our manager, especially if it is a living legend. THAT is far more important than calling someone a rude name so I disagree with you on that point. I believe in free speech. I also believe in being able to say when someone is being a phoney and exposing them for what they are. Im not ar'sed if Kerry gets banned or not but I will continue to take the pi'ss out of anything that deserves it. If Kerry posts something I agree with and I think is true I will say so. At the moment all I can see is bo'llox being posted which is meant to put doubt in peoples minds and eventually turn supporter against supporter.
Have an opinion by all means but expect to be challenged, especially if its ignorant and disrespectful.
Thats democracy

by **metalhead** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:37 pm

Basil wrote:What is Damien Comolli's job, is he not the person in charge of the scouting and analysis of potential players ?

Do we have a team of coaches who should be coaching the squad to the highest standards and making sure the players play to their potential ?

Do we have a chief exec/general manager put in charge by owners who bought the club at a bargain price and who's aim was to get this club back to the top ?

Kenny might be the manager and takes most of the blame but he's not the only one involved in running this club.

I thought we would break into the top four this season, I thought we would sign a couple of top players in January and I'm still hoping we will continue to build in the summer.

I think the players we bought over the last year have helped to strengthen the squad, we've got rid of most of the players that were not good enough and replaced them with better players but a couple of senior players are not as young as they were, we've badly missed Lucas and we're sadly lacking in a couple of positions.

With the Torres of a few years ago in our squad now we would easily be in the top four but he's not the player he was and £50M was good business for him.

Kenny and the owners know this season has not been good enough and will hopefully be working hard to make sure it doesn't happen again next season. We do need to strenthen over the summer and this includes a couple of top players.

Nowadays people want instant success and demand sackings if it doesn't happen but it's no good really, we need stability and a sustainable plan.

Let's get behind the players, the coaches, the manager, the owners - we are Liverpool FC not Chelsea or one of the Manc teams.

Another sensible post, well said

Did Mancini, who spent millions with Man City get CL place in his first season? No.

People expect too much, spending 100m does not guarantee an automatic CL place, the project will take time and patience and as Basil said if we don't get 4th place this season we move on and build for the next season.

by **metalhead** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:38 pm

Kerry reminds me of Heimdall

by **parchpea** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:38 pm

Most things raised and debated here will be being discussed in the Anfield boot room or in John Henrys office so I wouldnt get over sensitive about anything to be honest.

If anyone thinks managers and players performance is not scrutinised, criticised and constantly monitored (like we do here) then they would be being very naive indeed.

by **maguskwt** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:49 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Have an opinion by all means but expect to be challenged, especially if its ignorant and disrespectful.
Thats democracy

But you're not challenging Kerry, you're asking him to shut the hell up or feck off or asking the mods to ban him?

Democracy? More like Communism on here sometimes :laugh:

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