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by **lakes10** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:20 pm

Greavesie wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
metalhead wrote:what about this rumor on Kenny having a bust up with the players after the match? its going rounds on twatter

wtf

Twitter has been full of stuff since the end of the game.dont know what's true and what's not right now.

we got beat

theres been some better posts about the bust up now.

jamie carragher had a bust up with Reina over the first goal saying he should have not got beat and he yet again did not keep his eyes on the ball.
a few players also had a pop at Kenny for not making Subs until the game was almost over.

Kenny let them have it and a unit in the the room got smashed.
there is also posts saying that there are to many none playing staff in the changing room on game days.

its seems theres more info there but i am still going to take it with a big pinch of salt.
it seem this info only come out once others started to talk about it.......chinese whispers?

by **red till i die!!** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:43 pm

lakes10 wrote:jamie carragher had a bust up with Reina over the first goal saying he should have not got beat and he yet again did not keep his eyes on the ball.

thats rich coming from carragher.he was at fault for the first with a schoolboy error in letting rvp get goalside of him like that.
he was the one who was marking rvp and he was also 10 yds off him for the second.
reina shouldnt have got beat near post either but when you hand free reign to a player with the finishing quality of van persie then your asking for it.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:58 pm

red till i die!! wrote:
lakes10 wrote:jamie carragher had a bust up with Reina over the first goal saying he should have not got beat and he yet again did not keep his eyes on the ball.

thats rich coming from carragher.he was at fault for the first with a schoolboy error in letting rvp get goalside of him like that.
he was the one who was marking rvp and he was also 10 yds off him for the second.
reina shouldnt have got beat near post either but when you hand free reign to a player with the finishing quality of van persie then your asking for it.

Reina has been a bit hesitant of late for me. The equaliser from Cardiff last week and the two goals yeasterday were caused through his waiting and reacting rather than acting first. It happens and hopefully he will see this and rectify it.
Carra on the other hand had a part in both yesterdays goals as even the most ignorant of fans would know that RVP cannot be left on his own in the box. Carra did this twice and we paid the price

by **friendlyguy33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:15 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:
lakes10 wrote:jamie carragher had a bust up with Reina over the first goal saying he should have not got beat and he yet again did not keep his eyes on the ball.

thats rich coming from carragher.he was at fault for the first with a schoolboy error in letting rvp get goalside of him like that.
he was the one who was marking rvp and he was also 10 yds off him for the second.
reina shouldnt have got beat near post either but when you hand free reign to a player with the finishing quality of van persie then your asking for it.

Reina has been a bit hesitant of late for me. The equaliser from Cardiff last week and the two goals yeasterday were caused through his waiting and reacting rather than acting first. It happens and hopefully he will see this and rectify it.
Carra on the other hand had a part in both yesterdays goals as even the most ignorant of fans would know that RVP cannot be left on his own in the box. Carra did this twice and we paid the price

I blame Enrique as well for allowing the ball to be crossed. He was culpuble against United in the cup for their goal, he allowed Bentley to cross against Norwich which arguably cost two points, was asleep at Wembley to let Mason in last week which could have cost us the cup and allowed Sagna to whip that ball in yesterday.

He started the season well but overall I'm not sure he's much better in that position that what we had before £6 million was about right. I'd drop him for some of the lesser league games that are left against the smaller teams give Robinson a chance and see how Enrique reacts to that.

by **lakes10** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:35 pm

red till i die!! wrote:
lakes10 wrote:jamie carragher had a bust up with Reina over the first goal saying he should have not got beat and he yet again did not keep his eyes on the ball.

thats rich coming from carragher.he was at fault for the first with a schoolboy error in letting rvp get goalside of him like that.
he was the one who was marking rvp and he was also 10 yds off him for the second.
reina shouldnt have got beat near post either but when you hand free reign to a player with the finishing quality of van persie then your asking for it.

i was thinking the same carraghe got the wrong side of the player.
going by talkshit its true there was a bust up.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:39 pm

friendlyguy33 wrote:He started the season well but overall I'm not sure he's much better in that position that what we had before £6 million was about right.

you might wanna check this out

by **devaney** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:45 pm

friendlyguy33 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:
lakes10 wrote:jamie carragher had a bust up with Reina over the first goal saying he should have not got beat and he yet again did not keep his eyes on the ball.

thats rich coming from carragher.he was at fault for the first with a schoolboy error in letting rvp get goalside of him like that.
he was the one who was marking rvp and he was also 10 yds off him for the second.
reina shouldnt have got beat near post either but when you hand free reign to a player with the finishing quality of van persie then your asking for it.

Reina has been a bit hesitant of late for me. The equaliser from Cardiff last week and the two goals yeasterday were caused through his waiting and reacting rather than acting first. It happens and hopefully he will see this and rectify it.
Carra on the other hand had a part in both yesterdays goals as even the most ignorant of fans would know that RVP cannot be left on his own in the box. Carra did this twice and we paid the price

I blame Enrique as well for allowing the ball to be crossed. He was culpuble against United in the cup for their goal, he allowed Bentley to cross against Norwich which arguably cost two points, was asleep at Wembley to let Mason in last week which could have cost us the cup and allowed Sagna to whip that ball in yesterday.

He started the season well but overall I'm not sure he's much better in that position that what we had before £6 million was about right. I'd drop him for some of the lesser league games that are left against the smaller teams give Robinson a chance and see how Enrique reacts to that.

I agree with you mate. He has definitely gone off which is a real shame. Didn't Rierra do the same when he played central midfield on the left. Sh.it we have a problem with the wings.

by **Octsky** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:47 pm

that is one game i remember vividly.
FA cup 2001, LFC vs Gunners.
we were hammered from the start of whistle, and finally Ljunberg rounded Westerveld
and scored. game over for us, i think at that time. we weren't in the game at all!
then Owen scored from a mess of a freekick. 1-1, we were lucky.
then at the very very end of the game, Berger half clear half pass a 40 yards ball, found Owen,
he raced clear, shrugged away a defender and scored with his left foot. end of game.
we won the FA cup undeservedly.
it like the game yesterday at Anfield, we played well but still lost, in football sh it happens,
we move on and fight for the next game.

by **parchpea** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:49 pm

For what its worth I agree with the comments about Enrique who I feel flatters to decieve with his pleasing runs forward but the lads vulnerable positionally.

Its the same old really in that we tend to over rate our players and we are falling into this trap again if anyone thinks this team doesnt need major surgery.

by **Kenny Kan** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:49 pm

I'd have put my mortgage on the 'apparent twitter' bust-up being between Carra and Reina.

by **Basil** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:57 pm

It's not just Enrique but also Johnson and Carragher have all got on the wrong side of players in recent weeks which resulted in goals.

Surely the coaches should be able to see this, should they be man marking now or are they still marking zones ?

by **friendlyguy33** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:04 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
friendlyguy33 wrote:He started the season well but overall I'm not sure he's much better in that position that what we had before £6 million was about right.

you might wanna check this out

Perhaps you could find a similar number of defensive errors from Dossena that cost us points in 08-09?

by **Kerry07** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:21 pm

friendlyguy33 wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:I will ask the question again

Are we any further forward?
league wise? no
player wise? no

What then?

Be specific.. what are we further forward at?

I disagree. Carroll for all his faults this year is a stronger and more difficult striker to handle than Ngog. Henderson has had some good games this year including today and is better than the likes of Babel or Jovanovic. Likewise Downing has contributed more than Cole and Adam is streets ahead of Poulsen. Similarly Enrique as against Konckesky.

League wise we may have only a point more than at this stage a year ago but in the long term I think the squad is better. The fact is that in the cups we are genuinely competing again and we're still in the mix mathmatically or the the top four. You couldn't say that a year ago.

I don't think it helps to keep rubbishing the squad. We should be getting behind the players and the manager not denigrating them at every turn.

You've resorted to comparing players who cost 70million with reserve players.

Ade Akinbiyi has a better goal return than Ngog.

Its evident that some people have the blinkers on, and refuse to see what everyone outside the club can see. I watch LFCTV constantly, but i also listen/watch other media outlets to get an objective view.

We signed poorly.
We are no further forward league wise.
We have played 26 games, have 4 wins at home, scored 30 goals, have a plus 5 goal difference, sit 7th, and this is a season where both Chelsea and Arsenal have dipped and are deemed to have been in a crisis.

Im looking ahead.. how can anyone see us moving forward? What evidence? What will change next season to be different to this one? The British players that are not good enough have only just been signed for a fortune. Will they be moved on quickly and be replaced by quality? They all played against championship side Cardiff and bar Downing they were dreadful... two taken off having done nothing, and the other overhit everything. If Kenny Miller doesn't blaze his shot over the bar in the 88th minute i wonder what people would be saying now.

We are in dire need of goals, dont have a goalscorer.. and there is a player sat on the bench who Kenny paid 35million for. Imagine the same scenario, but Hodgson had done it.

If you aint asking questions you aint a fan of this club.

by **red till i die!!** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:38 pm

lakes10 wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:
lakes10 wrote:jamie carragher had a bust up with Reina over the first goal saying he should have not got beat and he yet again did not keep his eyes on the ball.

thats rich coming from carragher.he was at fault for the first with a schoolboy error in letting rvp get goalside of him like that.
he was the one who was marking rvp and he was also 10 yds off him for the second.
reina shouldnt have got beat near post either but when you hand free reign to a player with the finishing quality of van persie then your asking for it.

i was thinking the same carraghe got the wrong side of the player.
going by talkshit its true there was a bust up.

carra always had a bit of a temper on him and it wouldnt surprise me at all that if an incident did occur he was in the thick of it.
i dont think he likes reina either and it was only a while back that he grabbed arbeloa by the scruff during a match and it was pepe who intervened so maybe he's bearing a grudge against him.
anyway we have enough on our plate without this kind of stuff happening and he should no better.
kenny needs to come down hard at all involved as if he loses control of the players it will come crashing down on his head ala avb.

by **red till i die!!** » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:51 pm

Basil wrote:It's not just Enrique but also Johnson and Carragher have all got on the wrong side of players in recent weeks which resulted in goals.

Surely the coaches should be able to see this,

i remember way back at school boy level when i played r.b and that was one of the things that was constantly drummed in was never let the player get between you and the goal.
if you made silly errors the whistle was blown and it was pointed out what you did wrong,you had to get down and do twenty while the rest of the team played on without you for 5 mins as a penalty.
its basic stuff really and when you see professionals commit it on a regular basis you have to wonder what the coaches are doing.
maybe though the players are pampered too much and have their agents on speed dial if they are singled out for any sort of punishment or asked to do something they dont want to do.

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