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by **RedAnt** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:00 pm

damjan193 wrote:
RedAnt wrote:Kerry actually makes some decent points at times. They're just delivered in such a fantastical, pessimistic, slightly bitter, stubborn and anti-Liverpool way that most don't take them seriously.

What kind of a fan makes such points after winning a fcking title, something we haven't done in 6 years! It's OK to have some negativity at some point, but to say sh!t about our club all the time is not what being a fan means, especially not a Liverpool fan. It's not all rosy, but we've won a cup which means we're moving in the right direction so ffs stay behind the club!

That's my point mate. Some stubborn negativity denies some people from celebrating when it's time to celebrate.

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:03 pm

I'd like to see Kenny revert back to 4-4-2.

We played this system at the beginning of the season and were able to produce some wonderful football with it. We played this formation when we were genuinely unlucky in front of goal and when we were carving teams open. We used the width of the pitch much better than we currently do now as we tend IMO to get too narrow and not as effective in the wide areas.

Yes, we do become a little soft in the middle of the park and leave more space for teams to exploit. But I think we should encourage teams coming to Anfield to 'have a go' and try and exploit that space in the center. It results in an open game and will put more pressure on our the back four if teams are encouraged to 'have a go'. I think we'd have to play with a slightly higher line and squeeze the gap somewhat between defense and midfield but this isn't a bad thing. We've seen our current system huff and puff to break teams down, especially at Anfield and I wouldn't (personally) rely on this game plan to get us fourth - we'll end up drawing more, the proof is already in the pudding.

I think Kenny should go back to the expansive approach rather than stick with the pragmatic one, one I think Clarke has helped put into effect. I honestly believe with these players attack is the best form of defense, I'd even play it against Arsenal on the weekend who defensively aren't the best and we need to pressure defenses more rather than run out of ideas, like we did against Spurs. I think the formation here can help with that and set the tone and mentality to go out and win.

by **stmichael** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:17 pm

Kenny Kan wrote:I'd like to see Kenny revert back to 4-4-2.

We played this system at the beginning of the season and were able to produce some wonderful football with it. We played this formation when we were genuinely unlucky in front of goal and when we were carving teams open. We used the width of the pitch much better than we currently do now as we tend IMO to get too narrow and not as effective in the wide areas.

Yes, we do become a little soft in the middle of the park and leave more space for teams to exploit. But I think we should encourage teams coming to Anfield to 'have a go' and try and exploit that space in the center. It results in an open game and will put more pressure on our the back four if teams are encouraged to 'have a go'. I think we'd have to play with a slightly higher line and squeeze the gap somewhat between defense and midfield but this isn't a bad thing. We've seen our current system huff and puff to break teams down, especially at Anfield and I wouldn't (personally) rely on this game plan to get us fourth - we'll end up drawing more, the proof is already in the pudding.

I think Kenny should go back to the expansive approach rather than stick with the pragmatic one, one I think Clarke has helped put into effect. I honestly believe with these players attack is the best form of defense, I'd even play it against Arsenal on the weekend who defensively aren't the best and we need to pressure defenses more rather than run out of ideas, like we did against Spurs. I think the formation here can help with that and set the tone and mentality to go out and win.

Who would you play on the right in a 4-4-2? We don't have a natural right sided player in that formation.

Personally I'd play Gerrard there but we know that will never happen. Anything to stop Gerrard playing virtually playing as a quarterback trying hollywood balls from deep like he has been doing recently.

I don't think that Kenny is overly pragmatic. I don't think he tells our midfield players to not bother getting into the penalty area. It's up to the players to take responsibility on the pitch and gambling every now and again.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:29 pm

Kenny Kan wrote:I'd like to see Kenny revert back to 4-4-2.

We played this system at the beginning of the season and were able to produce some wonderful football with it. We played this formation when we were genuinely unlucky in front of goal and when we were carving teams open. We used the width of the pitch much better than we currently do now as we tend IMO to get too narrow and not as effective in the wide areas.

Yes, we do become a little soft in the middle of the park and leave more space for teams to exploit. But I think we should encourage teams coming to Anfield to 'have a go' and try and exploit that space in the center. It results in an open game and will put more pressure on our the back four if teams are encouraged to 'have a go'. I think we'd have to play with a slightly higher line and squeeze the gap somewhat between defense and midfield but this isn't a bad thing. We've seen our current system huff and puff to break teams down, especially at Anfield and I wouldn't (personally) rely on this game plan to get us fourth - we'll end up drawing more, the proof is already in the pudding.

I think Kenny should go back to the expansive approach rather than stick with the pragmatic one, one I think Clarke has helped put into effect. I honestly believe with these players attack is the best form of defense, I'd even play it against Arsenal on the weekend who defensively aren't the best and we need to pressure defenses more rather than run out of ideas, like we did against Spurs. I think the formation here can help with that and set the tone and mentality to go out and win.

We played 4-4-2 at Bolton , they managed to rip right through our soft centre to beat us at ease - that game is the perfect advert for not playing 4-4-2

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:38 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Kenny Kan wrote:I'd like to see Kenny revert back to 4-4-2.

We played this system at the beginning of the season and were able to produce some wonderful football with it. We played this formation when we were genuinely unlucky in front of goal and when we were carving teams open. We used the width of the pitch much better than we currently do now as we tend IMO to get too narrow and not as effective in the wide areas.

Yes, we do become a little soft in the middle of the park and leave more space for teams to exploit. But I think we should encourage teams coming to Anfield to 'have a go' and try and exploit that space in the center. It results in an open game and will put more pressure on our the back four if teams are encouraged to 'have a go'. I think we'd have to play with a slightly higher line and squeeze the gap somewhat between defense and midfield but this isn't a bad thing. We've seen our current system huff and puff to break teams down, especially at Anfield and I wouldn't (personally) rely on this game plan to get us fourth - we'll end up drawing more, the proof is already in the pudding.

I think Kenny should go back to the expansive approach rather than stick with the pragmatic one, one I think Clarke has helped put into effect. I honestly believe with these players attack is the best form of defense, I'd even play it against Arsenal on the weekend who defensively aren't the best and we need to pressure defenses more rather than run out of ideas, like we did against Spurs. I think the formation here can help with that and set the tone and mentality to go out and win.

We played 4-4-2 at Bolton , they managed to rip right through our soft centre to beat us at ease - that game is the perfect advert for not playing 4-4-2

Your basing the avoidance of playing 442 on one game? Even though we played this to good effect earlier on in the season?

And you're also forgetting about personnel, Gerrard and Adam wouldn't be my CM pairing.

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:44 pm

stmichael wrote:
Kenny Kan wrote:I'd like to see Kenny revert back to 4-4-2.

We played this system at the beginning of the season and were able to produce some wonderful football with it. We played this formation when we were genuinely unlucky in front of goal and when we were carving teams open. We used the width of the pitch much better than we currently do now as we tend IMO to get too narrow and not as effective in the wide areas.

Yes, we do become a little soft in the middle of the park and leave more space for teams to exploit. But I think we should encourage teams coming to Anfield to 'have a go' and try and exploit that space in the center. It results in an open game and will put more pressure on our the back four if teams are encouraged to 'have a go'. I think we'd have to play with a slightly higher line and squeeze the gap somewhat between defense and midfield but this isn't a bad thing. We've seen our current system huff and puff to break teams down, especially at Anfield and I wouldn't (personally) rely on this game plan to get us fourth - we'll end up drawing more, the proof is already in the pudding.

I think Kenny should go back to the expansive approach rather than stick with the pragmatic one, one I think Clarke has helped put into effect. I honestly believe with these players attack is the best form of defense, I'd even play it against Arsenal on the weekend who defensively aren't the best and we need to pressure defenses more rather than run out of ideas, like we did against Spurs. I think the formation here can help with that and set the tone and mentality to go out and win.

Who would you play on the right in a 4-4-2? We don't have a natural right sided player in that formation.

Personally I'd play Gerrard there but we know that will never happen. Anything to stop Gerrard playing virtually playing as a quarterback trying hollywood balls from deep like he has been doing recently.

I don't think that Kenny is overly pragmatic. I don't think he tells our midfield players to not bother getting into the penalty area. It's up to the players to take responsibility on the pitch and gambling every now and again.

Kuyt. I know he's not natural there but he does a job. He'd allow Johnson to get forward more to.

I don't think Kenny is a pragmatic manager either - but in conjunction with Clarke, I think (as seen) Kenny will go this approach.

I don't think he tells the midfield to refrain from getting forward either. But, we tend to sit slightly deeper as a team with this formation and pack the midfield. These two reasons alone could be why the midfield aren't helping the attack - I don't know really, just putting it out there...

by **red till i die!!** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:58 pm

i dont see why we cant play bellamy on the r.w rather than shift downing every time bellers comes on.downing is far more effective on the left and has a good understanding with enrique so i dont see any point in changing that.
playing downing left and bellamy on the right would supply enough crosses for carroll in the centre with suarez poaching.
maybe kenny would rather them playing on opposite wings as they can cut inside on to their stronger foot for a shot but both seem reluctant to do that and playing them that way starves carroll of the type of service that he thrives on.
for me bellamy is the one id play r.w and as an alternative id try kelly at r.b and johnson on the wing.

by **stmichael** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:26 pm

Kenny Kan wrote:Gerrard and Adam wouldn't be my CM pairing.

It doesn't work and in so many ways reminds me of the whole Gerrard-Lampard situation that England had for years. Personally I don't like the formation but you can get away with it if you had the personnel. Last year we had Lucas and Spearing playing in there and the team was flourishing because the other four attacking players (Suarez, Kuyt, Maxi, Meireles) were all playing well. The year before we had Lucas and Mascherano who were slaughtered for not being creative enough when in reality the attacking players that season just weren't doing it.

Spearing needs a sustained run in the side imo.

by **friendlyguy33** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:31 pm

City managed about 67 points a couple of years ago in fifth when they'd spent £100 million or so and I think they only scored about 55 goals all season. In 05-06 after 25 games Rafa's team had only scored 32 goals but there were more 1-0 wins and about 10 goals less conceded hence 49 points by that stage of 05-06.

The team is still 4 points better off than at this stage last season which is progress and with a strong finish a push at the top four is possible.

by **Thommo's perm** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:35 pm

RedAnt wrote:
damjan193 wrote:
RedAnt wrote:Kerry actually makes some decent points at times. They're just delivered in such a fantastical, pessimistic, slightly bitter, stubborn and anti-Liverpool way that most don't take them seriously.

What kind of a fan makes such points after winning a fcking title, something we haven't done in 6 years! It's OK to have some negativity at some point, but to say sh!t about our club all the time is not what being a fan means, especially not a Liverpool fan. It's not all rosy, but we've won a cup which means we're moving in the right direction so ffs stay behind the club!

That's my point mate. Some stubborn negativity denies some people from celebrating when it's time to celebrate.

She cant because shes on a mission to convince us that KK is a knob who bought a dud for £35 million.
That is her priority and her obsession, which makes you wonder if she really is a supporter and what her agenda is...?

by **dundreamin** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:46 pm

With some of the posts on here you actually wonder if some are really reds. If your not happy with kenny just FOOK OFF

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:48 pm

Kenny Kan wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Kenny Kan wrote:I'd like to see Kenny revert back to 4-4-2.

We played this system at the beginning of the season and were able to produce some wonderful football with it. We played this formation when we were genuinely unlucky in front of goal and when we were carving teams open. We used the width of the pitch much better than we currently do now as we tend IMO to get too narrow and not as effective in the wide areas.

Yes, we do become a little soft in the middle of the park and leave more space for teams to exploit. But I think we should encourage teams coming to Anfield to 'have a go' and try and exploit that space in the center. It results in an open game and will put more pressure on our the back four if teams are encouraged to 'have a go'. I think we'd have to play with a slightly higher line and squeeze the gap somewhat between defense and midfield but this isn't a bad thing. We've seen our current system huff and puff to break teams down, especially at Anfield and I wouldn't (personally) rely on this game plan to get us fourth - we'll end up drawing more, the proof is already in the pudding.

I think Kenny should go back to the expansive approach rather than stick with the pragmatic one, one I think Clarke has helped put into effect. I honestly believe with these players attack is the best form of defense, I'd even play it against Arsenal on the weekend who defensively aren't the best and we need to pressure defenses more rather than run out of ideas, like we did against Spurs. I think the formation here can help with that and set the tone and mentality to go out and win.

We played 4-4-2 at Bolton , they managed to rip right through our soft centre to beat us at ease - that game is the perfect advert for not playing 4-4-2

Your basing the avoidance of playing 442 on one game? Even though we played this to good effect earlier on in the season?

And you're also forgetting about personnel, Gerrard and Adam wouldn't be my CM pairing.

Who do you play in the middle then Bam ?

by **devaney** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:05 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
RedAnt wrote:
damjan193 wrote:
RedAnt wrote:Kerry actually makes some decent points at times. They're just delivered in such a fantastical, pessimistic, slightly bitter, stubborn and anti-Liverpool way that most don't take them seriously.

What kind of a fan makes such points after winning a fcking title, something we haven't done in 6 years! It's OK to have some negativity at some point, but to say sh!t about our club all the time is not what being a fan means, especially not a Liverpool fan. It's not all rosy, but we've won a cup which means we're moving in the right direction so ffs stay behind the club!

That's my point mate. Some stubborn negativity denies some people from celebrating when it's time to celebrate.

She cant because shes on a mission to convince us that KK is a knob who bought a dud for £35 million.
That is her priority and her obsession, which makes you wonder if she really is a supporter and what her agenda is...?

Not worth bothering mate. She's a bitter blue trying to convince us that Kenny has spent £100m when in reality the net figure is less than £35m. I'm just glad she's not my fkg accountant.

WELL DONE KENNY FOR GETTING US OUR FIRST TROPHY IN SIX YEARS!

by **Kerry07** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:43 pm

4-4-2 is not a good formation in the modern game.

It leaves you outnumbered against a team that play 4-3-3 (Barca), 4-2-3-1 (Madrid).. the two best teams in the world dont play it. Barca have not played 4-4-2 since pre Cruyff (1988).

Gerrard's natural position being in advanced midfield means two central midfielders behind him. This system means we player either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. If we played a 4-4-2 with Gerrard in a 2 man central mid we would get ripped apart.

With the personnel we have.. i think a 4-3-3 would be our best formation because Luis cannot play alone upfront in a 4-2-3-1... so a 4-3-3 with him on the right, Downing on the left.. and Soldado (dreaming) in the middle. The midfield trio being Javi Martinez (well its in the Mirror), Lucas.. and then Gerrard advanced.

----Downing--Soldado--Suarez
------------------Gerrard
-----------Martinez---Lucas

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:02 am

Kerry07 wrote:4-4-2 is not a good formation in the modern game.

It leaves you outnumbered against a team that play 4-3-3 (Barca), 4-2-3-1 (Madrid).. the two best teams in the world dont play it. Barca have not played 4-4-2 since pre Cruyff (1988).

Gerrard's natural position being in advanced midfield means two central midfielders behind him. This system means we player either 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. If we played a 4-4-2 with Gerrard in a 2 man central mid we would get ripped apart.

With the personnel we have.. i think a 4-3-3 would be our best formation because Luis cannot play alone upfront in a 4-2-3-1... so a 4-3-3 with him on the right, Downing on the left.. and Soldado (dreaming) in the middle. The midfield trio being Javi Martinez (well its in the Mirror), Lucas.. and then Gerrard advanced.

----Downing--Soldado--Suarez
------------------Gerrard
-----------Martinez---Lucas

stick to fifa or footy manager or whatever that game is called.
we`ve just won our first trophy in 6 years by the way.

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