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by **Basil** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:23 pm

That's some fair points (the damage done by the previous owners, the current owners net spend of £40 million and we don't know a lot of what's going on behind the scenes).

We're all dissappointed with the results, especially against the smaller teams but we never expected instant success, it takes time to build a team and we've now got a decent platform on which to build a team that can challenge the best.

We've got to one final, looking good for the other cup and if we can get some results together we can move up the league.
With Lucas back and 2 or 3 top top class signings in the summer we'll be right up there.

We need to give the players, Kenny and the owners our support and time they deserve.

by **LittleHobo** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:57 pm

every season we say we are 2 or 3 players off though

realistically we are 5 players off being a very good team in my opinion

the current are good enough first teamers

reina
skertel
agger
enrique
lucas
gerrard
suarez

the rest are simply too average or eg bellamy...cant start every game!!

by **andy_g** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:22 pm

LittleHobo wrote:the current are good enough first teamers

reina
skertel
agger
enrique
lucas
gerrard
suarez

that's interesting though...

a season ago, or certainly two, the majority of people would have said that skrtel and lucas were nowhere near good enough to be regular starters. now they are deservedly included in most people's first choice.

i wonder whether next season or the one after that carroll and henderson will be considered in the same way, leaving us only 2 players short. maybe even adam or spearing will step up (i don't hold out much hope for downing) and leave us needing even less.

the biggest question is whether we can afford to take the gamble and wait or not.

by **jacdaniel** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:47 pm

LittleHobo wrote:every season we say we are 2 or 3 players off though

realistically we are 5 players off being a very good team in my opinion

The problem is, at times we were only 2 or 3 players short but our previous owners didnt have the funds to spend on the players we needed. As a result, other players at the club got frustrated and chose to leave. We sacked our manager and replaced him with a much poorer one and then more players wanted to leave.

So suddenly the 2 or 3 became 7 or 8. Its going to be the same again unless we can sign the players we're missing quickly.

If we don't show signs of progression it will only be a matter of time before the likes of Reina and Suarez are considering their options.

We've built a lot in the last 12 months but it still looks like we might miss out on 4th and we'll have another big summer. Hopefully we won't need to sign as many players this time though.

I think winning the Carling Cup and qualifying for Europe (Europa) should keep most people happy enough that we're moving in the right direction.

by **Basil** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:48 pm

How many manc players would get in our strongest team ?

I wouldn't pick many, perhaps 1 or 2 at most but they have a balanced team with dangerous forwards and know how to get the best out of their players.

We had a major revamp of our squad, apart from 2 or 3 senior players we have a youngish squad and most will improve.

by **jacdaniel** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:51 pm

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:15 pm

maguskwt wrote:The only short term solution is to splash the cash once more... Maybe give 60 million to Kenny for 3 players, a proper striker, a winger and a athletic defensive midfielder. And if you don't restrict yourself to overpriced British talent, then you can get very good quality players for 20 millions each...

i won't be surprised if we stuck to these overpriced overrated British "talent" though. while Spurs buys players like VDV for less than 10million, we splash out on a relative unknown in the shape of Henderson. :Oo:

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:27 pm

We needed to buy British players due to the new rules that Uefa are bringing in regarding home grown talent. If you think we paid over the top for Henderson wait until everyone is trying to get hold of British players to meet the quota required. British players are going to be even more expensive and we will be sorted.

I think the next few buys we make will be from abroad and will hopefully give our side some extra sparkle.

I am not too worries. I enjoy watching the football we are playing now, in fact I would say its some of the best football we have played for some time (maybe be since before Houllier). We attack teams now, we keep possession of the football and we look strong at the back. We just need more goals. Our ocnversion rate is woeful, the worst in the league but I would be more worried if we were making no chances and leaking goals every game.

Its not all doom and gloom, it just isnt going as it should in front of goal but the basics are right.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:36 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I think the next few buys we make will be from abroad and will hopefully give our side some extra sparkle.

i hope so. we badly need players with flair and creativity. without Suarez, Bellamy and Gerrard, we are pretty toothless in attack.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:48 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
andy_g wrote:another thing is kenny's interview methods. i know the guy loves the club and wants to protect the players but i thought his post match interview yesterday was really bad. his overly defensive approach in the end just made him look like a grumpy feck and will only serve to lose him even more admirers in the football world. one of his jobs is to show the club in a positive light and i think he could do better at the moment in that respect.

Think I agree with much of what you're saying there Andy.

For me it's not just last nights "interview" that has me wondering about Kenny's approach to dealing with the media, rarely does he give a straight forward answer to even the most innocuous of questions.

Even when we've won and he's asked what he thinks of how well a particular player has done, instead of a simple "he's had a great game" we get instead something like "it's not just about him, there's a lot of others contributing"

Love the fella to bits for all he's done for the club and he'll always be a legend for me BUT his dismissive attitude to almost any question put to him makes me wonder why he even bothers to turn up for the post match inquest.

Yeah the media are generally a bunch of sharks and fk them, but for us fans that are watching I'd love to hear more than just a stream of Kenny answering a question with yet another abrasive/defensive question.

TBH I'm slightly embarrassed by Kenny's demeanour when it comes to his post match responses, tongue rolling round his gob while he searches for a response that generally lacks the wit or wisdom he displayed as a player..

agree with this. and the media are finding it really easy to agitate him - they just have to mention Suarez's ban, or Carroll's performance.

by **worcester_red** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:18 pm

Basil wrote:How many manc players would get in our strongest team ?

I wouldn't pick many, perhaps 1 or 2 at most but they have a balanced team with dangerous forwards and know how to get the best out of their players.

We had a major revamp of our squad, apart from 2 or 3 senior players we have a youngish squad and most will improve.

Are you serious, I don't like them but I'd take Rooney, Berbatov, Nani, Ferdinand, Giggs and Welbeck without to much debate and possibly even Evra although the thought makes me shudder and feel quite nauseous.

by **RedAnt** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:43 pm

worcester_red wrote:
Basil wrote:How many manc players would get in our strongest team ?

I wouldn't pick many, perhaps 1 or 2 at most but they have a balanced team with dangerous forwards and know how to get the best out of their players.

We had a major revamp of our squad, apart from 2 or 3 senior players we have a youngish squad and most will improve.

Are you serious, I don't like them but I'd take Rooney, Berbatov, Nani, Ferdinand, Giggs and Welbeck without to much debate and possibly even Evra although the thought makes me shudder and feel quite nauseous.

Ewwwwwwwwwww....they all smell like Manure, and one of them smells of Bitterness too! Might have taken Giggs nine or ten years ago, but not now. I think they'd take far more of our players than we of theirs.

Our wing play has been our biggest downfall this year.

Downing: I have no faith in Downing whatsoever. His crossing is quite simply appalling for us. No idea what happened to him.

Johnson: I cringe every time he has to defend, and cringe everytime he has to cross with his left.

Kuty: Kuyt is a good player but his best days are passed. And even in his best days he was never, ever a winger. His workrate and important goals are his main asset. Otherwise he's actually rather ineffective.

Bellamy: Not a winger. He's doing a decent job out on the left, but that's exactly what he IS doing....his job. Most of what Bellamy does is what he's expected to do. It's a bit of an optical illusion since he's effective and the rest aren't so much. So we say "Hey, he's great" when really it's hiding just how useless the other wingers are.

Kelly: Looks decent and has potential, but he's never gonna be whipping in awsome balls for the strikers.

Maxi: Past his best too. Nor is he a natural winger.

Enrique: Quality. One we MUST hold on to.

Hendo: I'm sure he has a lot of potential. Still waiting to see it though. Definately one to keep though as someone here has already mentioned...gotta plan for the future, and british is the way.

When you look at these names: Downing, Kelly, Maxi, Bellamy, Johnson, Kuyt....are these the names of champions? I'm afraid not. These are the names of players who will struggle to gain and hold fourth place.

See through the illusion. These are the players we will currently attract. We're not the mighty Reds we once were. We sell our best players such as Alonso, Mascherano and Torres to Chavski, Barca and Real, and we replace them with the likes of Downing from Villa, Adam from Blackpool, Hendo from Sunderland.

It's hard to accept, I know. But maybe it's time we did accept it and set reasonable and realistic goals. Only then can we relieve the pressure on the club as a whole and maybe start to rebuild our name in world football.

It all comes down to that same old fact, the same fact that makes us sigh and say "Here we go again" almost every single match-day, and that fact is that we are not good enough as a team, or individually, and the managment and staff seem rather oblivious to that. Oblivious or powerless to do anything about it. Apparently there was money to spend in january, but we didn't need it. Then we play Johnson at left back in a MUST WIN game against the team 3rd in the premier league.

Sad, but true

by **maguskwt** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:27 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I am not too worries. I enjoy watching the football we are playing now, in fact I would say its some of the best football we have played for some time (maybe be since before Houllier). We attack teams now, we keep possession of the football and we look strong at the back. We just need more goals. Our ocnversion rate is woeful, the worst in the league but I would be more worried if we were making no chances and leaking goals every game.

you're kidding right? :wwww

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:38 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I am not too worries. I enjoy watching the football we are playing now, in fact I would say its some of the best football we have played for some time (maybe be since before Houllier). We attack teams now, we keep possession of the football and we look strong at the back. We just need more goals. Our ocnversion rate is woeful, the worst in the league but I would be more worried if we were making no chances and leaking goals every game.

you're kidding right?

no.. are you?

I understand work in progress and have never played football manager.. its called living in the real world... how is fantasy land this time of year?

by **devaney** » Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:29 pm

maguskwt wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I am not too worries. I enjoy watching the football we are playing now, in fact I would say its some of the best football we have played for some time (maybe be since before Houllier). We attack teams now, we keep possession of the football and we look strong at the back. We just need more goals. Our ocnversion rate is woeful, the worst in the league but I would be more worried if we were making no chances and leaking goals every game.

you're kidding right?

Work in progress has been a worn out excuse for far too long and one that I'm fed up with!

By the way Ian Ayres is now the Managing Director and that is why I just thought he might have given Kenny a bit of support during the Suarez case.

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