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by **mart** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:27 pm

Roger Red Hat wrote:there seems to be a few 'get rid of Kenny now' shouters on here but Kenny brings a stability to the whole club. The team may be in and out of form, up and down on performance levels but the club as a whole, the whole package, is by far more stable than it has been for 20 years.

I cant say I have read a single "Sack Kenny" post here. There are however plenty of posts claiming that any kind of criticism towards him or the team is the same as asking for him to be sacked. That leads to the usual bitchfights over who is the best supporter that is so detrimental to this forum.

As for the stability of the club i'd like to give the credit to our new owners. It looks like we finally got some professional owners, that can modernize the club and put in the money needed to bring us back to the top.

by **stmichael** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:48 pm

city have spent £300m and yet they're hanging on for a point against wigan throwing on defensive players galore in the second half.

mancini out.

by **Penguins** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:01 pm

stmichael wrote:city have spent £300m and yet they're hanging on for a point against wigan throwing on defensive players galore in the second half.

mancini out.

Wtf are you rambling about?
They are top of the league and made some defnsive subs AFTER being 1-0 up. 3 nice pts in the bag for them....

I wouldn't have mind that starting lineup vs Stoke if we had the lead 1-0 going into the game.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:05 pm

The point I think Mick is making is people were screaming at Daggers last week because we tried to protect a lead against City ( and were successful )

by **Penguins** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:18 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:The point I think Mick is making is people were screaming at Daggers last week because we tried to protect a lead against City ( and were successful )

Well, City still went on the attack and had the best chances even after the subs. I don't think we went past the halfway line the 2nd half. But that is beside the point.

If you win you win. Problem is Kenny have wasted a fortune on players that doesn't have the quality to get you wins.
They aren't scoring, providing assists or doing much of anything offensivly for us which is kinda devastating

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:52 am

Penguins wrote:C'mon and smell the coffee ffs. We have had a terrible season in the league so for. We have never accepted 6th-7th or whatever midtable position we might be in and we are not going to start now, no matter what the circumstances.

What is worse is that we are 7th with the most money spent ever by a manager.

top post...its not about yelling KENNY OUT...it's about recognising we're having another cr@p season and nothing is changing.

we lose against Bolton and we'll be in danger of being over taken by Stoke FFS

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:19 am

Penguins wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
stmichael wrote:i couldn't believe the other day some were asking what would have happened if hodgson was given the sort of money that kenny had been given. well for one we wouldn't have suarez upfront. instead we'd have had carlton cole

he's pele compared to the 35 million we've blown on Carroll, who's on par with Voronin.....and 20 million on Downing who's a poor man's Babel....

There's nothing wrong with questioning the club's leadership, and while some want to pretend it's 1989, others are happy to question the grade A f*ck ups our management have passed under their watch. Personally, i'm staggered at the mess our squad is in and the lack of direction.

8 defenders in a squad against Stoke? yeah, no problem...letting the entire squad (and manager) wear Suarez t-shirts after our player is accused of being a racist? sure...why not.

I dont want kenny sacked, but i want accountablility and direction shown by him. Not smart quips to the press and looks of dispair on the sidelines

How the hell have we managed to be so high up the table and be challenging for a CL spot and one game away from a final when our club and team is so poor as you suggest !!!

C'mon and smell the coffee ffs. We have had a terrible season in the league so for. We have never accepted 6th-7th or whatever midtable position we might be in and we are not going to start now, no matter what the circumstances.

What is worse is that we are 7th with the most money spent ever by a manager.

Terrible season !! Really ? Is it over already ?

If you think this is terrible go back to last season or the season before or Souness years or some of Evans seasons !! FFS the overreaction is laughable currently .

Some people need to accept the reality of the situation and realise we are a club going through a building stage and we may not make the top 4 straight away and it may take time - the fans demanding instant success and results need to show a bit of paitence.

We are building a solid foundation at the back and we will build from there . If you or any other fan doesn't have the paitence to wait and give the new owners , new players and new manager time to build then I suggest supporting Man City - they can spend £500 mil plus on getting instant success so that should please you.

As for your last line ?? The most money spent by a manager ever !!! You will have to explain that

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:34 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Terrible season !! Really ? Is it over already ?

If you think this is terrible go back to last season or the season before or Souness years or some of Evans seasons !! FFS the overreaction is laughable currently .

Some people need to accept the reality of the situation and realise we are a club going through a building stage and we may not make the top 4 straight away and it may take time - the fans demanding instant success and results need to show a bit of paitence.

We are building a solid foundation at the back and we will build from there . If you or any other fan doesn't have the paitence to wait and give the new owners , new players and new manager time to build then I suggest supporting Man City - they can spend £500 mil plus on getting instant success so that should please you.

As for your last line ?? The most money spent by a manager ever !!! You will have to explain that

benny...tell us, when was the last time a Liverpool manager spent the best part of 100 million on players who ALL flopped?

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:37 am

7_Kewell wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Terrible season !! Really ? Is it over already ?

If you think this is terrible go back to last season or the season before or Souness years or some of Evans seasons !! FFS the overreaction is laughable currently .

Some people need to accept the reality of the situation and realise we are a club going through a building stage and we may not make the top 4 straight away and it may take time - the fans demanding instant success and results need to show a bit of paitence.

We are building a solid foundation at the back and we will build from there . If you or any other fan doesn't have the paitence to wait and give the new owners , new players and new manager time to build then I suggest supporting Man City - they can spend £500 mil plus on getting instant success so that should please you.

As for your last line ?? The most money spent by a manager ever !!! You will have to explain that

benny...tell us, when was the last time a Liverpool manager spent the best part of 100 million on players who ALL flopped?

Who has decided they have all flopped then ?

20 games and that's all they get ?

Enrique has flopped ?

Suarez ? Henderson etc ?

Who has made this final desicion that they are now officially all flops ?

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:39 am

Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh? All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place

you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:45 am

7_Kewell wrote:Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh? All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place

you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

So it's not actually offical or anything then ?

It's just you declaring them flops ?

How did you go from 55 mil to 100 mil because Henderson is a flop because he is a young player still developing ? Very strange random logic.

I actually don't think any of them have flopped yet as they need minimum a season so no wasted money yet .

As for your question - Every single manager has wasted money on ayers who didnt work out.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:49 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh? All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place

you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

So it's not actually offical or anything then ?

It's just you declaring them flops ?

How did you go from 55 mil to 100 mil because Henderson is a flop because he is a young player still developing ? Very strange random logic.

I actually don't think any of them have flopped yet as they need minimum a season so no wasted money yet .

As for your question - Every single manager has wasted money on ayers who didnt work out.

we paid the best part of 20 million for Henderson because we needed a player who was READY for first team football...ready to improve our team and help us push for a top 4 slot. The lad has potential, but he's no where near ready or good enough.

And how would you describe Carroll and Downing? Successes? Promising players? They're f**king awful players who even Houllier would cringe at signing.

every manager has wasted money? Sure...but Kenny has wasted more than Rafa and Houllier combined

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:59 am

7_Kewell wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:Downing and Carroll are, in my view, some of the worst players EVER to wear the shirt. That's 55 million...then there's Henderson who's at least 12 months away from being good enough for a regular start...that 70 million...then adam...78 million. Bang...best part of 100 million gone.

Brilliant, eh? All building up to our battle with Stoke for 7th place

you haven't answered my question...name a Liverpool manager in our HISTORY who has wasted so much money

So it's not actually offical or anything then ?

It's just you declaring them flops ?

How did you go from 55 mil to 100 mil because Henderson is a flop because he is a young player still developing ? Very strange random logic.

I actually don't think any of them have flopped yet as they need minimum a season so no wasted money yet .

As for your question - Every single manager has wasted money on ayers who didnt work out.

we paid the best part of 20 million for Henderson because we needed a player who was READY for first team football...ready to improve our team and help us push for a top 4 slot. The lad has potential, but he's no where near ready or good enough.

And how would you describe Carroll and Downing? Successes? Promising players? They're f**king awful players who even Houllier would cringe at signing.

every manager has wasted money? Sure...but Kenny has wasted more than Rafa and Houllier combined

Henderson was 16 million - Christ your maths is :censored:

.

So because we spent money on a young lad with very good potential he is a flop after 20 games and a waste of money already !! Great work .

My thoughts on Downing and Carroll are in the respective threads .

You have already decided they are all flops and it's money wasted - guess what , that doesn't make it true or a fact - plenty people including the owners , manager etc are going to give the players more than half a season.

by **Penguins** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:00 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Penguins wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
stmichael wrote:i couldn't believe the other day some were asking what would have happened if hodgson was given the sort of money that kenny had been given. well for one we wouldn't have suarez upfront. instead we'd have had carlton cole

he's pele compared to the 35 million we've blown on Carroll, who's on par with Voronin.....and 20 million on Downing who's a poor man's Babel....

There's nothing wrong with questioning the club's leadership, and while some want to pretend it's 1989, others are happy to question the grade A f*ck ups our management have passed under their watch. Personally, i'm staggered at the mess our squad is in and the lack of direction.

8 defenders in a squad against Stoke? yeah, no problem...letting the entire squad (and manager) wear Suarez t-shirts after our player is accused of being a racist? sure...why not.

I dont want kenny sacked, but i want accountablility and direction shown by him. Not smart quips to the press and looks of dispair on the sidelines

How the hell have we managed to be so high up the table and be challenging for a CL spot and one game away from a final when our club and team is so poor as you suggest !!!

C'mon and smell the coffee ffs. We have had a terrible season in the league so for. We have never accepted 6th-7th or whatever midtable position we might be in and we are not going to start now, no matter what the circumstances.

What is worse is that we are 7th with the most money spent ever by a manager.

Terrible season !! Really ? Is it over already ?

If you think this is terrible go back to last season or the season before or Souness years or some of Evans seasons !! FFS the overreaction is laughable currently .

Some people need to accept the reality of the situation and realise we are a club going through a building stage and we may not make the top 4 straight away and it may take time - the fans demanding instant success and results need to show a bit of paitence.

We are building a solid foundation at the back and we will build from there . If you or any other fan doesn't have the paitence to wait and give the new owners , new players and new manager time to build then I suggest supporting Man City - they can spend £500 mil plus on getting instant success so that should please you.

As for your last line ?? The most money spent by a manager ever !!! You will have to explain that

Oki, give me any reason why there will be this miraculus turnaround in the 2nd half of the season?
ANY indication plz....
Lessons sure haven't been learned so far...

Ya, I know Souness stunk up the place but even Evans didn't do that terrible. He took over like Kenny in January. But he got Liverpool 4th the following season then 3rd the next. Not something that will happen for Kenny...

Going through a rebuilding period is just a poor excuse nothing else. Other LFC managers have had to go through a hell of a lot tougher situations than Kenny and do just as good or better.
Newcastle hasn't invested much at all and are doing really well.

Kenny took over a team everyone thought Rafa did poorly with after finishing 7th. He more or less played with the same team last season and finished 7th.
Then he gets 100 million plus in 1 Year! to spend to improve upon thatwhich is far and away more than any manager at LFC has even been close to getting.

And he gets most of them terribly wrong spending over 70 million on Downing, Henderson and Caroll when Maxi, Meireles and Ngog did even better last season!!!
Epic failure right there.

I don't give a flying **** about City and what they do or don't but I sure do care to see some kind of return when we finally have real money to spend which is something we never have had. And then we blow it totally...

Building a solid foundation at the back??

You mean the back 4 Rafa built?
We have been solid at the back for a long time and that is somethng Kenny can take little credit in as that is something which has been drilled in by Houiller and Rafa and been built by their players they brought to the club!

When Rafa had finished the league 3rd, 2nd, won the Cl, the FA cup etc we still wanted better and when he signed Keane and Aquilani he sure got roasted for that, rightly so as they were poor buys.

But they were still few and far between over his tenure.
Now Kenny has signed even worse players and almost only players of that ilk.
We paid dearly for Rafa's mistakes and we sure are paying a hefty price for Kenny's huge mistakes.
And then he persist with all of them even if they have almost no goals and assists combined for 20 games!

Signings make or break a manager but it is even more important to recognize your mistakes. With the failings of Arsenal and Chelski the door was wide open and with a decent success rate with our signins I am absolutely positve we would be in the top 4 now. Just a regular return in gols and assists from that outlay would had been enough...

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:06 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Henderson was 16 million - Christ your maths is .

So because we spent money on a young lad with very good potential he is a flop after 20 games and a waste of money already !! Great work .

My thoughts on Downing and Carroll are in the respective threads .

You have already decided they are all flops and it's money wasted - guess what , that doesn't make it true or a fact - plenty people including the owners , manager etc are going to give the players more than half a season.

17 million plus add ons my dear...and you think that's a fair amount for a player with 'promise'??

And why won't you tell me your thoughts on Carroll and Downing? COuld it be because it undermines you entire arguement because you know as well as i do we've wasted 55 million quid on players with the same ability as Voronin and Babel?

Pretend all you like...put on a few 80s CDs and pretend it's 1988 and everything's fine. But unless our management wake up and do something about the mess our squad is in (of their own making) then we're going to slip into mid table obscurity and, as you put it, be another Newcastle.

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