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by **dundreamin** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:27 am

All this

,is to get terry off the hook.and while am here, terry,s dad was deffo Chinese or a jap

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:32 am

dundreamin wrote:So what happens when a "COLOURED person calls a WHITE person a racist word?? Is there a racist word for a WHITE MAN??*

If someone called me an FA member I would be so offended

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:33 am

dundreamin wrote:All this ,is to get terry off the hook.and while am here, terry,s dad was deffo Chinese or a jap

Got to ask...

by **The Good Yank** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:40 am

If any of our players, regardless of who it is, ever score a goal again, he should pull up his shirt to reveal a t shirt saying "I am a Negrito".

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:50 am

Has the evidence been released yet? or are the FA still busy compiling it?

by **Dundalk** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:00 am

From the Guardian

Alex Ferguson has broken his silence on the Luis Suárez affair, describing the Liverpool striker's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra as "the right decision" and indicating that the Anfield club should accept the guilty verdict.

Liverpool's vigorous defence of the Uruguayan, including the controversial decision to warm up for their game at Wigan in Suárez T-shirts, has led to widespread criticism throughout the game. Ferguson was not willing to talk about Liverpool's protest statement, in which they described Evra as "not reliable" and called on the Football Association to issue a separate charge against the Manchester United defender, but he made clear that the Premier League champions felt vindicated.

"Our support of Patrice was obvious right from the word go and that's still the same. The matter is over and I think we're satisfied that they [the FA's independent commission] found the right decision.This wasn't about Manchester United and Liverpool at all. It was nothing to do with that. This was an individual situationwhere one person was racially abused."

Liverpool maintain that was not the case, despite Suárez reportedly admitting using the word "negro", and are now waitingfor the commission chairman, Paul Goulding QC, to deliver his full written findings before deciding whether to lodge an appeal.

That risks an even longer ban and Ferguson drew a parallel with the way United reacted when Evra was banned for four matches in 2008 for becoming embroiled in a post-match fight with Sam Bethell, a Chelsea groundsman. The club, he pointed out, had accepted the verdict.

"Patrice got that suspension for the incident down at Chelsea when no one was there, just a groundsman and our fitness coach. He got a four-match ban and we had to wait two weeks for the evidence to come through. We were quite astounded at that. A four-match ban? We thought it was well over the top for a trivial incident. But it happened and there's nothing you can do about it, you know."

The insinuation was that Liverpool should accept Suárez's guilt but there is no sign of that from Anfield, with Kenny Dalglish maintaining he had no regrets over the T-shirt protest and aggressive wording of their statement.

"The club have issued a statementand the players have made their statementboth visually and verbally," said Dalglish. "The statement couldn't have caused anybody any trouble. I don't think the players have caused any trouble with the FA either with their statement or by their support with the T-shirts. If we are not in any trouble, we will just leave it at that before we do get into any trouble."

Dalglish said "it might be weeks" before the commission's findings are made public and believes the verdict and the reasons for it should have been released simultaneously. In the vacuum, the Liverpool manager fears opposition crowds will declare open season on Suárez, as was the case at the DW Stadium on Wednesday.

He said: "I wouldn't think it is helpful to anybody that it [the verdict] is done before we have seen the written documents. If that's the way they have always done it then we cannot complain. I wouldn't know because I have never been involved in anything like this before.

"They [the Football Association] run the game; we don't, do we? Whether you agree with it is another matter. In another walk of life, they would have walked away and waited until they had it ready. But this is what happened. I think where they have to be more supportive is the reaction from people – and the antagonism of the crowds – towards Luis. That is the great problem."

The Liverpool manager believes the fallout from the complex case will be far-reaching for the FA. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say," he argued. Yet despite his concerns over the hostility towards Suárez, who is also facing an improper conduct charge for allegedly making an offensive gesture towards Fulham supporters at Craven Cottage on5 December, Dalglish is adamant the 24-year-old can handle the scrutiny.

"Obviously he would be better off without it, but he is a strong enough character and he has handled it very well up to now so I wouldn't expect him to show anything other than total strength. If Luis is fit and well,he will be considered for the matches until such time that he is under sanction."

Ferguson is clearly unimpressed with the lengths to which Liverpool have gone, including Dalglish's decision to wear a Suaárez T-shirt during a television interview on Wednesday. "I don't need to talk about it," he said, before adding pointedly: "I'm happy with how I run my club."

The United manager was asked whether he fears it will worsen the rivalry between the two clubs. "This is the biggest derby game in the country," he replied. "It's never needed anything to light the powder keg; it's always there."

by **Dundalk** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:04 am

From the Mirror

We have to assume that Kenny Dalglish knows all the evidence surrounding the Luis Suarez case.

That would explain Liverpool’s defence of Suarez and their shocked reaction after the eight-game ban and fine imposed upon him.

Suarez is vital to Liverpool, he is their best player at the moment, especially with Steven Gerrard injured.

But it has to go deeper than that. The issue is much bigger than about just wanting your star man playing every week.

Let’s not get away from the fact that if Suarez said what he is supposed to have said, then you have to take the punishment. Racism is unacceptable in any part of society, let alone football.

If there are different circumstances that need to be looked at, other evidence, then maybe that explains why Liverpool seem so determined to appeal.

That could lead to an extra game’s ban. And bearing in mind the FA could yet punish Suarez for a one-fingered gesture at Fulham then the suspension could mount up.

But if Dalglish and Liverpool feel there is a point of principle, they should fight it. If it’s just feeling hard done by, that’s a different matter. You can look at the ban and see eight games including two Carling Cup semi-finals, an FA Cup tie and suddenly that’s five rather than eight games.

That would still be a huge blow to Liverpool’s season. But this case isn’t just about Liverpool.

It’s much bigger than that and that’s why Liverpool – a club people look up to – have to make a decision which upholds their high standards.

That’s why, if this case is seen by the FA as setting a strong example then the rest of football must take note.

Is it right to make Suarez an example to prove a point?Probably not. We should not single out individuals. We should simply say any racism is unacceptable.

Maybe there is also a subliminal message in Liverpool wearing those T-shirts at Wigan.

It could be seen as cute man-management by Dalglish to keep his star player. A manager will go a long way to keep players happy. That is understandable – within limits.

Otherwise you could have a situation where he feels persecuted and wants to leave Liverpool and England.

Liverpool are right behind Suarez but that cannot be confused with anything other than support for a team-mate because no-one can condone racism.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:37 am

Graham Taylor is full of :censored:

... he says it is not right to refer someone by the colour of the skin or where he comes from and yet didn't evra say to suarez you south american?

by **devaney** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:00 am

So if Harry Kewell had called an English player a Pommie Barstard what would have happened? I'll tell you what would have happened absolutely fk all! What would happen if another player called Gerrard a fkg Scouse cnt? Again the answer would be nothing. The problem generally seems to be between black and white people and I can understand that based on history. The question is where do you draw the line and will this ruling open the flood gates demanding a player should be banned for something that he possibly said in the heat of the moment.I am not condoning abuse but it is supposed to be a man's game ffs!

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:06 am

People are assuming it was abuse. This is one of the key elements.
Suarez said "negrito" which is a casual term used in friendliness. Supposedly it has the same conotation as "mate" in English.
It was not abuse. Evra chose to be offended because it was said by an opponent (one who had run him Fu*king ragged by the way)
Evra is playing the victim and it is obvious from purple noses statement that it was a deliberate plan to fu'ck us up
Racism my Fu*king ar'se!

by **devaney** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:42 am

Thommo's perm wrote:People are assuming it was abuse. This is one of the key elements.
Suarez said "negrito" which is a casual term used in friendliness. Supposedly it has the same conotation as "mate" in English.
It was not abuse. Evra chose to be offended because it was said by an opponent (one who had run him Fu*king ragged by the way)
Evra is playing the victim and it is obvious from purple noses statement that it was a deliberate plan to fu'ck us up
Racism my Fu*king ar'se!

Couldn't agree more Thommo. The annoying tw.at has won just one more game off the pitch but the seriousness of his actions on this occasion will not be forgotten.

It's funny the way these things seem to happen when we start looking half decent. Remember Rafa's famous rant that went on to fk up a title winning challenge. Ferguson had wound Rafa up so much that he finally blew a fuse! The man quite simply is a sh.it and to think he is a fkg knight of the realm. THAT IS A FKG JOKE !!!!!!!

by **RUSHIE#9** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:43 pm

Dundalk wrote:From the Mirror

We have to assume that Kenny Dalglish knows all the evidence surrounding the Luis Suarez case.

That would explain Liverpool’s defence of Suarez and their shocked reaction after the eight-game ban and fine imposed upon him.

Suarez is vital to Liverpool, he is their best player at the moment, especially with Steven Gerrard injured.

But it has to go deeper than that. The issue is much bigger than about just wanting your star man playing every week.

Let’s not get away from the fact that if Suarez said what he is supposed to have said, then you have to take the punishment. Racism is unacceptable in any part of society, let alone football.

If there are different circumstances that need to be looked at, other evidence, then maybe that explains why Liverpool seem so determined to appeal.

That could lead to an extra game’s ban. And bearing in mind the FA could yet punish Suarez for a one-fingered gesture at Fulham then the suspension could mount up.

But if Dalglish and Liverpool feel there is a point of principle, they should fight it. If it’s just feeling hard done by, that’s a different matter. You can look at the ban and see eight games including two Carling Cup semi-finals, an FA Cup tie and suddenly that’s five rather than eight games.

That would still be a huge blow to Liverpool’s season. But this case isn’t just about Liverpool.

It’s much bigger than that and that’s why Liverpool – a club people look up to – have to make a decision which upholds their high standards.

That’s why, if this case is seen by the FA as setting a strong example then the rest of football must take note.

Is it right to make Suarez an example to prove a point?Probably not. We should not single out individuals. We should simply say any racism is unacceptable.

Maybe there is also a subliminal message in Liverpool wearing those T-shirts at Wigan.

It could be seen as cute man-management by Dalglish to keep his star player. A manager will go a long way to keep players happy. That is understandable – within limits.

Otherwise you could have a situation where he feels persecuted and wants to leave Liverpool and England.

Liverpool are right behind Suarez but that cannot be confused with anything other than support for a team-mate because no-one can condone racism.

Hollow words from the Mirror considering they had a back page seemingly declaring Suarez a RACIST the other day.
Obviously the rumours of them being banned from Anfield were true and they're cacking themselves.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:30 pm

RUSHIE#9 wrote:
Dundalk wrote:From the Mirror

We have to assume that Kenny Dalglish knows all the evidence surrounding the Luis Suarez case.

That would explain Liverpool’s defence of Suarez and their shocked reaction after the eight-game ban and fine imposed upon him.

Suarez is vital to Liverpool, he is their best player at the moment, especially with Steven Gerrard injured.

But it has to go deeper than that. The issue is much bigger than about just wanting your star man playing every week.

Let’s not get away from the fact that if Suarez said what he is supposed to have said, then you have to take the punishment. Racism is unacceptable in any part of society, let alone football.

If there are different circumstances that need to be looked at, other evidence, then maybe that explains why Liverpool seem so determined to appeal.

That could lead to an extra game’s ban. And bearing in mind the FA could yet punish Suarez for a one-fingered gesture at Fulham then the suspension could mount up.

But if Dalglish and Liverpool feel there is a point of principle, they should fight it. If it’s just feeling hard done by, that’s a different matter. You can look at the ban and see eight games including two Carling Cup semi-finals, an FA Cup tie and suddenly that’s five rather than eight games.

That would still be a huge blow to Liverpool’s season. But this case isn’t just about Liverpool.

It’s much bigger than that and that’s why Liverpool – a club people look up to – have to make a decision which upholds their high standards.

That’s why, if this case is seen by the FA as setting a strong example then the rest of football must take note.

Is it right to make Suarez an example to prove a point?Probably not. We should not single out individuals. We should simply say any racism is unacceptable.

Maybe there is also a subliminal message in Liverpool wearing those T-shirts at Wigan.

It could be seen as cute man-management by Dalglish to keep his star player. A manager will go a long way to keep players happy. That is understandable – within limits.

Otherwise you could have a situation where he feels persecuted and wants to leave Liverpool and England.

Liverpool are right behind Suarez but that cannot be confused with anything other than support for a team-mate because no-one can condone racism.

Hollow words from the Mirror considering they had a back page seemingly declaring Suarez a RACIST the other day.
Obviously the rumours of them being banned from Anfield were true and they're cacking themselves.

I buy the mirror every day but they can fu'ck off since that disgraceful headline. Absolutely no need for it. Sensationalist headlines for the sake of it and the audacity of backing the w@nkers at the FA.
I would advise any other Reds who believe in fairness and decent journalism to boycott it as well

by **nobybob** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:53 pm

gordon taylor
"A lot has been made about different cultures and what is deemed to be racist abuse there," Taylor told the Telegraph. "But the point is, if it isn't wrong to make reference to somebody's skin colour [in another country] in this way, it should be.

Take A look Taylor And Think Again

maybe everyone in the world doesn't have our blood-soaked, guilt-ridden attitude to racial language!
In my opinion, if a culture can talk about colour etc without it being taken as abusive by all parties, isn't that the truest sign of a racism free society? Where race truly doesn't matter and all are considered equal?

And he has the gall to say other cultures are wrong? The hypocrisy/irony is staggering...

(stolen from another site but i think it gets the point across)

by **supersub** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:19 pm

Basil wrote:The world's going mad and this country is going down the pan, people on here seem to be suggesting that physically assaulting someone and putting them in hospital is ok but calling someone coloured is unacceptable.

To be battered shall be tolerated but to be battered black and blue is unacceptable!

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