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Postby tonyeh » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:18 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

What if Suarez would have apologised for upsetting Evra and offending him? Would it have got to this stage?

In all honesty Thommo, probably not and it would likely be all forgotten now. The media would be focusing on Terry's story and it wouldn't be preceded all the time by Suarez's on the news.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:18 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:I personally thought the wearing the t shirts was a very bad idea, Suarez has admitted to using inappropriate language, we havn't even got him to make an apology yet for gods sake. Get Suarez to make a public statement and move on, were dragging our good name through the mud here.

Now this is where the difference lies, inappropriate to whom? He used a word that in spanish its ok to say and not intended for any malice, just hi ''mate''. Evra took it the wrong way.

Evra even admited to saying an ''inappropriate'' word for South Americans, but he gets no fine or ban, what do you think?
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Postby tonyeh » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:19 pm

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tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

Its sad to see a 'pool 'fan' write this sort of :censored:! But then again it is this site and it is what it is...

Retarded....

ya gobsh1te. What the hell is so "sad" about it.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:27 pm

stmichael wrote:the difference in media coverage towards suarez and that "brave english lion" john terry is laughable. they were basically sucking his c*ck on sky last night. the papers today have praised the bloke for playing through adversity as if he's a national hero or something.

the double standards and xenophobia is beyond a joke.

Ridiculious mate, unbelievable I'm not English but I think English media is a joke
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Postby tonyeh » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:29 pm

Kharhaz wrote:Alan Hansen has apologised for his comments. Is it just me, or has this country become so sensitive to anything said, we are just a bunch of pussies?

When did calling someone coloured become racist?

I've just watched a documentary on black soldiers in Vietnam and coloured was used all the time.

WTF?
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:35 pm

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Fowler_E7 wrote:I personally thought the wearing the t shirts was a very bad idea, Suarez has admitted to using inappropriate language, we havn't even got him to make an apology yet for gods sake. Get Suarez to make a public statement and move on, were dragging our good name through the mud here.

Now this is where the difference lies, inappropriate to whom? He used a word that in spanish its ok to say and not intended for any malice, just hi ''mate''. Evra took it the wrong way.

Evra even admited to saying an ''inappropriate'' word for South Americans, but he gets no fine or ban, what do you think?

Im aware that Suarez did not intend to cause offence but the fact is he used language that is not acceptable in the UK, im half black and when im playing for my weekend team if an opponent called me a 'Negrito' or anything of that nature that person would likely be taking a trip to the hospital let alone an FA tribunial. Suarez should by stating that he apologises for causing any offence and that he didnt mean it due to cultural/language diffrences. That would be acceptable to the majority of people.

If that is true about Evra insulting Suarez for being South American then Evra should be punished aswell, where did you hear that by the way?
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Postby stmichael » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:36 pm

You've also have Gordon Taylor coming out today slagging Suarez off.

The same Gordon Taylor who in 1994 said "Stuart Pearce's alleged racist abuse of Paul Ince was "in the heat of the moment … Stuart regrets what he said, and he'll be ringing Paul to apologise. Hopefully that will be the end of it."

You couldn't make it up :laugh:
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Postby devaney » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:38 pm

tonyeh wrote:
sgs wrote:
tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

Its sad to see a 'pool 'fan' write this sort of :censored:! But then again it is this site and it is what it is...

Retarded....

ya gobsh1te. What the hell is so "sad" about it.

I think Tonyeh makes a reasonable and well balanced point. In what way is his statement retarded?

Let's face it we are a fickle bunch to say the very least.For example if Hodgson had bought Carroll and some of the other summer arrivals our views would probably be different.

Luis has got to understand that Ferguson has a mission in life and that is to upset and annoy LFC as much as he possibly can.He will probably die trying to win five European Cups! He has played mind games for years and Evra was probably guided by Ferguson regarding this issue that should have been very quickly nipped in the bud with a quick apology.
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:38 pm

tonyeh wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Alan Hansen has apologised for his comments. Is it just me, or has this country become so sensitive to anything said, we are just a bunch of pussies?

When did calling someone coloured become racist?

I've just watched a documentary on black soldiers in Vietnam and coloured was used all the time.

WTF?

The use of the word 'Coloured' to describe is an old outdated term much like 'Half caste' is no longer an acceptable term to describe a mixed raced person. I personally wouldnt describe it as a racist word, but its no longer an acceptable term.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:45 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:I personally thought the wearing the t shirts was a very bad idea, Suarez has admitted to using inappropriate language, we havn't even got him to make an apology yet for gods sake. Get Suarez to make a public statement and move on, were dragging our good name through the mud here.

Now this is where the difference lies, inappropriate to whom? He used a word that in spanish its ok to say and not intended for any malice, just hi ''mate''. Evra took it the wrong way.

Evra even admited to saying an ''inappropriate'' word for South Americans, but he gets no fine or ban, what do you think?

Im aware that Suarez did not intend to cause offence but the fact is he used language that is not acceptable in the UK, im half black and when im playing for my weekend team if an opponent called me a 'Negrito' or anything of that nature that person would likely be taking a trip to the hospital let alone an FA tribunial. Suarez should by stating that he apologises for causing any offence and that he didnt mean it due to cultural/language diffrences. That would be acceptable to the majority of people.

If that is true about Evra insulting Suarez for being South American then Evra should be punished aswell, where did you hear that by the way?

Evra admitted in the FA statement that he used an word that is an insult to South Americans, but Suarez told the FA he didn't hear it.
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Postby metalhead » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:51 pm

stmichael wrote:You've also have Gordon Taylor coming out today slagging Suarez off.

The same Gordon Taylor who in 1994 said "Stuart Pearce's alleged racist abuse of Paul Ince was "in the heat of the moment … Stuart regrets what he said, and he'll be ringing Paul to apologise. Hopefully that will be the end of it."

You couldn't make it up :laugh:

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Postby LFC2007 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:14 pm

What we don't yet know perhaps because we haven't seen the written reasons for the decision is whether it's the word 'negrito' that the FA have determined constituted the insult itself, or whether that word was included as part of an insult -- for example, 'you stupid f'ing negrito'. If it's the latter, I don't see how you can defend him unless you are prepared also to accept that phrases like 'black c..t' should also go without punishment, for the word 'black' is not (typically) in itself considered insulting. If it's the former (i.e. he simply called Evra a 'negrito') then he has more a case to argue that it was a cultural misunderstanding, provided the word really is typically used without any pejorative connotations.
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Postby lakes10 » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:02 pm

BBC GIVES TERRY A BLOW JOB


Defiant Terry concentrates on his football





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At White Hart Lane

The man who vowed to fight "tooth and nail" to clear his name was not going quietly - or quickly - as he stood bare-chested in a small corner of White Hart Lane in front of Chelsea's fans.

John Terry has shown remarkable resilience in his ability to blank out personal turmoil, accompanied by the acidity of opposing fans, when he seeks sanctuary from his troubles on a football field.

And so it proved again as Terry emerged as a central character in the cast of an enthralling 1-1 draw between Tottenham and Chelsea. It came only a day after learning he will face a racially aggravated public order charge following an incident with QPR's Anton Ferdinand in the west London derby in October.

The law will take its due course so, on this noisy night, the Chelsea and England captain was left to concentrate purely on his football.




Terry handed his shirt to a Chelsea fan after the game. Photo: Associated Press

He clearly deemed his night's work a success as he stood stripped to the waist beating his breast in defiance before Chelsea's fans after handing his blue shirt to an elderly female fan.

Chelsea, perhaps having noted the largely adverse reaction to Liverpool's players wearing T-shirts supporting team-mate Luis Suarez after he was found guilty by the FA of racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra, left Terry to make his own statement.

It was a long, hostile night for the 31-year-old as he was subjected to a sustained barrage of abuse from Spurs fans.

Chelsea's captain began nervously, failing to track Emmanuel Adebayor closely enough for the opener, but he grew into the game.

He ended up playing his full part in a Chelsea performance that will have brought real encouragement to manager Andre Villas-Boas once they survived being dazzled by Spurs for 20 minutes.

Terry took blows on and off the pitch at White Hart Lane, the majority of the crowd revelling in his pain when he took a kick from Adebayor that left him rolling in agony in the second half.

Inevitably, given the sub-plot running through this game, it was Terry who performed the final decisive act of a fine game that did both teams great credit, even if it did not do a lot of good for either of their Premier League positions.

Tottenham now trail second-placed Manchester United by seven points, admittedly with a game in hand, while Chelsea are two points further back.

After a frantic finale that saw opportunities come and go for both sides, Adebayor - whose goal was cancelled out by Daniel Sturridge's - shaped to win the game for Harry Redknapp's side in the dying seconds.

The Togo striker's careful angled finish took a slight touch off the fingertips of goalkeeper Petr Cech but still looked goal-bound. That was until Terry's anticipation allowed him to make the crucial block and save a point Chelsea had fully earned.


Terry's late clearance off the line ensured the points were shared. Photo: Getty Images

Chelsea's supporters had matched the taunts of Spurs's fans with almost equal volume in their backing of the team's captain. And that block gave Terry the platform to stride briskly towards them and join in a scene of mutual appreciation.

Circumstances ensure that Terry's treatment will now be a consistent narrative running through Chelsea's games - but he has proved that it has no adverse effect on his performances.

It would have been an injustice had players from either side finished on the losing side but it was clear who the visiting support felt they had to thank for their point.

Villas-Boas could barely contain his delight with both Terry and Chelsea afterwards, with pretty much all things hailed as "fantastic". There was real purpose about Chelsea for 70 minutes against a Spurs side who played with searing pace early on as they threatened to overrun their opponents.

Redknapp was in downbeat mood in his post-match briefing, cursing the injuries that removed Aaron Lennon and Jermain Defoe from his selection plans before they were joined by Rafael van der Vaart after only 45 minutes.

Van der Vaart's constant hamstring problems are now a real source of concern for Redknapp, who rightly pointed out a lack of thrust on Spurs's right-hand side without a player comfortable in the position.

Redknapp believes Spurs can make a serious dent in the title race, while Villas-Boas also repeated his assertion that Chelsea are in the hunt.

On the evidence produced at White Hart Lane, Spurs and Chelsea are two teams containing real talent and the squads to stay for the long haul. But this was the fare of top-four material rather than serious challengers to Manchester City and Manchester United.

And there is no shame in that.

Redknapp has fashioned a wonderfully exciting side, while Villas-Boas himself has looked more assured and confident about his own place at Chelsea in the last fortnight. Still, it is hard to see either lifting the Premier League title.

For Terry, the battles off the field are still to come but his body language as he walked down the tunnel at White Hart Lane on Thursday spoke of a man who felt he had won round one of the fights he will face on the pitch.
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Postby Dundalk » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:05 pm

John Terry

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Postby metalhead » Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:36 pm

Dundalk wrote:John Terry

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John Terry = Legend!
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