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by **Sean** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:26 pm

The best way our players could have supported Suarez was by winning last night !

by **parchpea** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:35 pm

It doesnt please me being negative especially considering whos involved but I think we have gone about this all the wrong way. The T Shirt thing is well intended but under the circumstances poorly thought out. All this serves to do is have the club perceived as condoning racist language and they are just pouring more fuel on the fire every day. Liverpool always had a reputation for dealing with things quietly and in house but on this issue its thrown all that out the window and it surprises me. I know they are upset, but they should be more careful and ensure they at least keep the clubs reputation in tact but thats now in question after after lasts night T Shirt fiasco. Suarez is important, but its 1 player, and we shouldnt risk the clubs reputation on him, no matter how difficult that may be.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:39 pm

The media is having a field day with this
On SSN reporter criticising LFC for virtually encouranging racism through backing Suarez by wearing t shirts
Afraid its us against everyone here by the looks of things

by **metalhead** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:39 pm

andy_g wrote:i think its all getting a bit much now. the lfc statement, the players' statement, the t-shirts, and now telling everyone about suarez's involvement in south africa. we have made our point and even the FA have agreed that they don't accuse him of being a racist. its obvious that the issue is he's being punished for stupidly using a term he shouldn't have, and we want to reduce the ban as much as we can. we should now just keep quiet and get on with the process away from the eyes of the media who are increasingly ridiculing the club.

i wonder how much of this theatre is more of a message to suarez than to anyone else. by showing him this much love and support we are showing how desperate we are to hang on to him.

Here is some news too

(twitter source)
"The Uruguayan government statement on Luis Suarez: We are indignant about the appearance of this decision, it is absolutely disproportionate"

Plus the fact Uruguayan papers are slating the english mindset regarding this decision in every way, WW3 I tells ya

Its getting waaaay over the top I think, lets keep calm and try to get an appeal going to reduce the ban now

by **red till i die!!** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:47 pm

surely the F.A thought about the repercussions when they decided their verdict and if they didnt then they really must be idiots.
the case conflicts itself throughout and the fact that they found him guilty is bad enough but to say he's guilty of racial abuse but he's not a racist is silly.surely you cant be one without the other.
if i was suarez i would never accept this charge.he's been unfairly treated here and been labelled a racist.
if this was handed to the police it would dismissed straight away for what it is.absolute nonsense.
he was tried in a kangaroo court with clowns as judges and i hope in the end this gets exposed as exactly that

by **devaney** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:56 pm

red till i die!! wrote:
The Good Yank wrote:Should have just called him a "Black Cu.nt" on camera and the FA could have just kicked it to the courts and he would face a 2500 quid fine

he should have, or just lied and said, i said nothing.
he is paying the price for his honesty.

one thing that annoys me here is that suarez claimed that evra's own team mates call him negrito.
so far i havent seen anything coming from manure rd to deny those claims,or from the utd players either.and if they do call him that then it just shows that this was a witch hunt and a cheap pr excercise for the F.A.

to me calling someone a black kunt,white kunt,silly kunt,baldy kunt and ginger kunt are all the same and are just abusive not racist.

What about a blue kunt

?

by **tonyeh** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:48 pm

8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

by **damjan193** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:00 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:The media is having a field day with this
On SSN reporter criticising LFC for virtually encouranging racism through backing Suarez by wearing t shirts
Afraid its us against everyone here by the looks of things

That's so idiotic, the FA never said that he was racist. Fcking stupid media, they'll make racists of the whole club. We have black people in our squad that even wore that kind of t-shirts for :censored:

sake. Man, I don't care what others says, they all have an agenda against us and no one can convince me otherwise.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:49 pm

tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

What if Suarez would have apologised for upsetting Evra and offending him? Would it have got to this stage?

by **red till i die!!** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:09 pm

devaney wrote:
red till i die!! wrote:
The Good Yank wrote:Should have just called him a "Black Cu.nt" on camera and the FA could have just kicked it to the courts and he would face a 2500 quid fine

he should have, or just lied and said, i said nothing.
he is paying the price for his honesty.

one thing that annoys me here is that suarez claimed that evra's own team mates call him negrito.
so far i havent seen anything coming from manure rd to deny those claims,or from the utd players either.and if they do call him that then it just shows that this was a witch hunt and a cheap pr excercise for the F.A.

to me calling someone a black kunt,white kunt,silly kunt,baldy kunt and ginger kunt are all the same and are just abusive not racist.

What about a blue kunt ? ? ?

thats just smurfette in the nip ya dirty bugger :laugh:

.

disclaimer:i am in no way racist or prejudice against smurfs or the blue people from avatar.

by **red till i die!!** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:14 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

What if Suarez would have apologised for upsetting Evra and offending him? Would it have got to this stage?

seen an interview with gordon taylor last night and he claimed the pfa tried to sort it out but couldnt.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:23 pm

red till i die!! wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

What if Suarez would have apologised for upsetting Evra and offending him? Would it have got to this stage?

seen an interview with gordon taylor last night and he claimed the pfa tried to sort it out but couldnt.

Then obviously Evra was encouraged to carry it through even though he admitted Suarez wasnt a racist
Little French :censored:

by **sgs** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:17 pm

tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

Its sad to see a 'pool 'fan' write this sort of :censored:

! But then again it is this site and it is what it is...

Retarded....

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:20 pm

sgs wrote:
tonyeh wrote:8 matches is a bit much and it's all spiraling out of control, it's seems.

But, let's be honest here, if he was a smart boy, he wouldn't have been using such a word anyway...regardless of what it "may" mean in Uruguay. It's fecking obvious that it can be taken in the wrong context and it's also obvious that it's a little too close to nigger or negro.

It might be better if he did a statement and just apologised and said that he's not a racist, etc. The usual "I'm sorry" bollox. Then let the whole thing drop.

...and let's go further too, would we Liverpool fans be so understanding if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our black players was called the same word by a member of a Man Utd squad?

I think not.

Its sad to see a 'pool 'fan' write this sort of ! But then again it is this site and it is what it is...

Retarded....

bye then

by **zarababe** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:56 pm

lets be clear here:

the club statement: standing by their player, in the context of a 'word' he used with no derogatory racial conatations in his native speak and on his word, that this is the context he used it in

the judgement: served without reasons and evidence provided fuelling speculation and furore - not likely to be seen until mid-January

the players statement: in the face of media headlines and the absence of a 'basis' - fuelling racist claims against Luis. Statement supports Luis' cultural based use of the word and that he is not a racist.

the T-shirts: supporting the individual and his being labelled. No regard to cultural basis of use of word being acknowledged.. the players and manager stand-by one of their own, who is being villified for use of a culutrally acceptable word, for him - 'he should know better'

GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS :

Alan Hansen: should he know better... ummm is he a racist? HOW LONG HAS ALAN BEEN HERE.. HE'S ON NATIONAL TV.. AND USES THE WORD 'COLOURED' LOL it is comical..HOW LONG HAS LUIS BEEN HERE ? AND HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER RE: A CULTURALLY ACCPETABLE WORD FOR HIM !!!

John Terry: CRIMINAL CHARGES LOL.. and now a moral dilemma for the FA

Talk Sport
: ... criticise T-shirts and yet these sh@ts employ out-an-out sexists.. outed by a microphone airing sexist views held... apologised cos they got caught, otherwise they would not have - Luis' use of the 'word' culturally motivated yet the club is being slated for standing with him on that point!!!

WE ARE RIGHT... AND EVERYONE ON HERE NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT LUIS' DEFENCE AND ADMISSION HAS BEEN MOTIVATED SOLELY BY HIS UNDERSTANDING OF THE 'WORD' IN HIS NATIVE LAND AND LANGUAGE. HE HAS MAINTAINED THIS POSITION ALWAYS AND SO IT IS HIS WORD AGAINST EVRA'S... IN THE CONTEXT OF HOW HE USED THE WORD AND HIS UNDERSTANDING OF IT - not derogatory not racist...

WE ARE RIGHT TO STAND BY ARE OWN ! :angry:

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