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by **eds** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:36 am

7_Kewell wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Im surprised by the length of the ban but not that he has been banned. In releasing the statement we did we could possibly get into more trouble. I think we need to take our medicine and move on

i'll second that.

At the end of the day there's no way we can prove he didn't say it, which is what it boils down to.

Move on and hope that Carroll can take this opportunity to show us what he's got with a run on the team alongside Bellamy

The FA won't back down unless new evidence becomes available and that's not going to happen

What part of this.......

"It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist."

don't you understand numbskull???

:no

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:37 am

Dundalk wrote:If they are right or wrong the FA are not going to back down now. They have made their bed and will not lose face by changing their mind. If the club feel so strong about it they should appeal but I don't think its going to make a blind bit of difference

Judging by the club statement, I would say that they will pursue every avenue open to them. By charging Suarez they are calling him a racist, and with Liverpool standing by him, the club will be branded as racist also. I can see this going much further than the FA.

by **Dundalk** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:38 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
wrighty (not mark!) wrote:Astonishing, really is. The FA should be sued as well as Evra for defamation of character. I feel a petition coming on...

If that's the case then so should we for what we said in our statement (which has now been removed from the official site!)

Its still on there from what I can see.

My mistake, I refreshed the page I had it on and it was a 404 error. It's still there

by **Dundalk** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:43 am

From the mirror

If they accept the ban this morning, then the striker would at least be back for the second leg of the Carling Cup semi final against Manchester City on January 25 - a game crucial to Liverpool's season. But if they decide to appeal, then any ban would not start until after a second hearing, which means the striker could see his absence stretch well into February, potentially ruling him out of the fourth and fifth rounds of the FA Cup, and even the Carling Cup final.

by **stmichael** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:44 am

some of the back pages tomorrow are beyond a joke. talk about persecuting the guy. :no

by **Dundalk** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:47 am

stmichael wrote:some of the back pages tomorrow are beyond a joke. talk about persecuting the guy.

Twitter:

Oh dear. Maddock article says "with Suarez judged a racist". Evra and FA both state Suarez NOT a racist. Libellous.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:57 am

stmichael wrote:some of the back pages tomorrow are beyond a joke. talk about persecuting the guy.

and you're surprised?

by **ethanr** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:10 am

Kharhaz wrote:
Dundalk wrote:If they are right or wrong the FA are not going to back down now. They have made their bed and will not lose face by changing their mind. If the club feel so strong about it they should appeal but I don't think its going to make a blind bit of difference

Judging by the club statement, I would say that they will pursue every avenue open to them. By charging Suarez they are calling him a racist, and with Liverpool standing by him, the club will be branded as racist also. I can see this going much further than the FA.

I'm pretty sure 95% of people looking at this are thinking, what the :censored:

is wrong with the FA? so that 5% of mancheater/ people who took offense for some odd reason may band us as a racist club, but I'm pretty sure nobody else will.

by **eds** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:21 am

Just to point out the key facts in all of this........

1. "It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

2. The term he used was "negrito" which is a term often mis-translated in english literally meaning "blackie". In South America this is a term used for affection and has NO racial connatation.

3. The mexican goon, Chicharito @ Manure uses the term all the time, he even used it a press release days after this incident. Evra knows fully well what the literal meaning of this word is in Spanish.

4. If the roles were reversed no I wouldnt take offense to it if a SOUTH AMERICAN called me this, ffs this is something part of latin culture, once again racist white media using the literal foreign meaning of a word and turning it on its head.

5. "It seems incredible that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. Liverpool do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised."

And if i was a manure supporter I would hang my head in shame, don't expect them to sign any south american players in the near future because of this. Will be funny to see what latin america thinks of the English FA and EPL as a whole.

by **stmichael** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:22 am

Dundalk wrote:
stmichael wrote:some of the back pages tomorrow are beyond a joke. talk about persecuting the guy.

Twitter:

Oh dear. Maddock article says "with Suarez judged a racist". Evra and FA both state Suarez NOT a racist. Libellous.

Evra says Suarez isn't a racist. The FA's guilty verdict doesn't call him a racist and the FA statement also doesn't include any evidence that he said something racist.

Despite all this a lot of the papers go with the "racist" headline.

Joke.

by **crazyhorse** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:23 am

i dont get how Evra can say he does not think Luis is a racist, but then make a complaint about a racist comment? bizzarre situation.

And I have to say this penalises the club more than the player which is also wrong.

by **redtrader74** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:23 am

7_Kewell wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Im surprised by the length of the ban but not that he has been banned. In releasing the statement we did we could possibly get into more trouble. I think we need to take our medicine and move on

i'll second that.

At the end of the day there's no way we can prove he didn't say it, which is what it boils down to.

Move on and hope that Carroll can take this opportunity to show us what he's got with a run on the team alongside Bellamy

The FA won't back down unless new evidence becomes available and that's not going to happen

What? First of all you should never have to prove you haven't said something. Secondly taking your medicine implies there is cause to accept the punishment, there is none. FFS Suarez explained what he said, and what it means from his perspective, and therefore clearly not racist.

The club needs to make a stand here, even if it means not playing a game, and boycotting it. I'm all for punishing racist behaviour, but only if the context and meaning IS CLEARLY racist. fck the FA, we can't take this, our player needs backing and has been incorrectly labelled a racist.

by **eds** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:28 am

stmichael wrote:
Dundalk wrote:
stmichael wrote:some of the back pages tomorrow are beyond a joke. talk about persecuting the guy.

Twitter:

Oh dear. Maddock article says "with Suarez judged a racist". Evra and FA both state Suarez NOT a racist. Libellous.

Evra says Suarez isn't a racist. The FA's guilty verdict doesn't call him a racist and the FA statement also doesn't include any evidence that he said something racist.

Despite all this a lot of the papers go with the "racist" headline.

Joke.

So all South American's are racist for using their own term which has a different meaning...... FFS time for the good Lord to come down and end the show right now.

by **Dalglish** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:35 am

Its obvious from the LFC Statement that they are going to appeal.

Personally speaking I don't care if appealing means he misses important fixtures e.g Carling Cup Semi Final, United away and possibly Carling cup Final. Some issues are bigger than prospective fixtures and this is one of those issues.

Lets be clear here and I believe the Commissions report will disclose this when made public - Suarez has admitted to using the contentious word "Negrito". Whatever Luis interpretation of this word it's obvious that it was used to wind up Evra who is Black and of a small stature which fits the South American meaning of the word.

So the FA have given Suarez an 8 Match Ban for "winding up an opponent" effectively !

Evra has admitted to insulting Suarez in a a "most objectionable" of manners which we can only assume was intended to wind Suarez up. We await the FA's verdict on that then. If they don't (which they won't will they) then it sends out a message that you can wind up an opponent as long as it doesn't have racist connotations.

But wait a minute .............Evra IS Black and he IS Small !

Apparently Hernandez uses the word Negrito all the time

I appreciated Misty Red's comments earlier as he's a Black Guy and probably in a better position to comment. As a White bloke I'm confused when a guy whose Grandfather is Black and therefore of mixed race himself can be be found guilty of racial abuse !

John Terry must be quaking in his boots - No, wait a minute he's the FA's national Team Captain so lets wait and see shall we

I'm off to Wigan Away tomorrow to watch my beloved LFC and the Best Player in the Premiership this season, his name is Luis Suarez.

Walk on ............

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:53 am

I hope Suarez does continue to play until its resolved. Like Fletcher said in Porridge "Dont let the b*stards grind you down".

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