Liverpool FC Forum

[kalos]

Dundalk, you are talking out of your nether regioins mate..granted it might not mean he is not a racist but if your Grandfather is black would you go around slating BLACK people??

If it  was against a white/Asian bloke fair enough but the details given on the offal are completely RELEVANT to this  case.

[metalhead]

Why not just make a short statement of a couple of sentences along the lines of "We are disappointed Suarez has been found guilty. We will review the evidence and decide whether or not to appeal. Liverpool FC is committed to anti-racism at all levels of football"

At least this way its dignified.

Instead of coming out with stuff like, Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black and He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

This does not mean someone will not be racist !!!

We shouldn't be putting stuff like that on our website. For me its embarrassing

No mate, I don't think its embarrassing at all, its very direct and concise and using examples to prove his innocence. People need to know that, the media and everyone. We have taken a right approach defending our player from something that he was harshly convicted of.

[Dundalk]

We can defend him and defend him well but there is a way of going about it.

[aCe']

Why not just make a short statement of a couple of sentences along the lines of "We are disappointed Suarez has been found guilty. We will review the evidence and decide whether or not to appeal. Liverpool FC is committed to anti-racism at all levels of football"

At least this way its dignified.

Instead of coming out with stuff like, Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black and He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

This does not mean someone will not be racist !!!

We shouldn't be putting stuff like that on our website. For me its embarrassing

makes two of us DD, I fully agree.

For me Suarez was silly in doing what he did and to be perfectly honest I expected a heavy ban. 8 games might be pushing it but once you put yourself in the situation, you only have yourself to blame.

Regarding what we will do in his absence, I think this ban coupled with our failures in the final third so far should give Kenny the incentive needed to go out and sign another forward to aid our push for fourth.

Obviously a lot of that will depend on the results we get until the beginning of January and whether Carroll starts performing or not (Gerrard's condition too).

[kalos]

well said MH. Also if you think this was put together by a couple of Stewards over a cuppa youa re sadly mistaken.

This statement would have been prepared BEFORE the decision in case it went against us. A legal expert no doubt drafted it in the strongest possible terms without overstepping any boundaries that could prejudice the appeal.(which looks certain to happen given the wording)

[metalhead]

Why not just make a short statement of a couple of sentences along the lines of "We are disappointed Suarez has been found guilty. We will review the evidence and decide whether or not to appeal. Liverpool FC is committed to anti-racism at all levels of football"

At least this way its dignified.

Instead of coming out with stuff like, Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black and He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

This does not mean someone will not be racist !!!

We shouldn't be putting stuff like that on our website. For me its embarrassing

makes two of us DD, I fully agree.

For me Suarez was silly in doing what he did and to be perfectly honest I expected a heavy ban. 8 games might be pushing it but once you put yourself in the situation, you only have yourself to blame.

Regarding what we will do in his absence, I think this ban coupled with our failures in the final third so far should give Kenny the incentive needed to go out and sign another forward to aid our push for fourth.

Obviously a lot of that will depend on the results we get until the beginning of January and whether Carroll starts performing or not (Gerrard's condition too).

What did he exactly do? with what evidence? I want to be a realist here, but I fail to see any evidence

Please if you have any videos, witness accounts and audio files let us know.

[Waldo]

I think 2 mistakes have been made throughout this process that won't do Luis or the club any good as this rumbles on...

Suarez should not have admitted to the use of the 'negrito' word. I also think that the club should have taken stock overnight/this morning before making a statement on the situation. I don't doubt that we took legal advice before making the statement but it could have been better positioned/written.

Hopefully we get a top class lawyer involved and let him get his teeth into this and try to find holes in the process in an attempt to have the penalty thrown out or reduced.

[Thommo's perm]

A game is being played in public
Evra started it with his accusation. Suarez admitted saying the word when he could have lied. Evra could have left it, especially when admitting that Suarez was not racist. Purple nose carried it on because he hates us and the FA have continued it to show theyre "ani-racist". Even though they know Suarez is not guilty of racism they have punished him for being honest. The media, hypocritical tw@ts thay they are have jumped on it and LFC have added their spin to gain public support, which in turn will influence the sh'ithouses at the FA.
A game from start to finish

[metalhead]

Evra even admited using the word ''sudaca'' on Suarez which is a bad form of ''South American'' on Suarez but we didn't see him getting fined or banned for that have we

[Thommo's perm]

Someone bluenose got banned from Woodison this year for calling Saha a "lazy french ba'stard" because it was deemed racist
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton....8400787

[Octsky]

Why not just make a short statement of a couple of sentences along the lines of "We are disappointed Suarez has been found guilty. We will review the evidence and decide whether or not to appeal. Liverpool FC is committed to anti-racism at all levels of football"

At least this way its dignified.

Instead of coming out with stuff like, Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black and He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

This does not mean someone will not be racist !!!

We shouldn't be putting stuff like that on our website. For me its embarrassing

makes two of us DD, I fully agree.

For me Suarez was silly in doing what he did and to be perfectly honest I expected a heavy ban. 8 games might be pushing it but once you put yourself in the situation, you only have yourself to blame.

Regarding what we will do in his absence, I think this ban coupled with our failures in the final third so far should give Kenny the incentive needed to go out and sign another forward to aid our push for fourth.

Obviously a lot of that will depend on the results we get until the beginning of January and whether Carroll starts performing or not (Gerrard's condition too).

What did he exactly do? with what evidence? I want to be a realist here, but I fail to see any evidence

Please if you have any videos, witness accounts and audio files let us know.

if KD do not supporting Suarez he will have lost his confidence and trust forever.

i meant family stand by each other, and a football team is a family with KD as a father head.

there's the american gal Amanda something who was studying in italy and was sentenced to life with her italian boyfriend for murder, but was recently released due to lack of evidence.
do you think her family gave up defending her for a sec ?

i believe Suarez is not racist and fully support the club and KD's decisions in standing behind the player. YNWA

[Dundalk]

This was posted on Football 365 today.




Some Dignity, Please
Liverpool FC were founded in 1892. They've been in existence for nearly 120 years. One would expect a club of such history and tradition to react to even the biggest setback with a degree of dignity, maturity and responsibility.

However, their statement in response to the Luis Suarez verdict read like it was written by a nine-year-old child whose ice cream has just been knocked out of their hand.

Let's take it point by point:

'We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone...'

Well, we'll stop you right there. Thanks to interviews given by the man himself and information very well leaked to the media by we don't know who (but can take a decent guess), Suarez admitted calling Evra 'something his team-mates at Manchester call him', so the use of the word was never in question.

'It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.'

Jesus, we thought this was just the domain of ill-informed idiots on the internet. For what is hopefully the final time, Evra has been caught up in racism rows twice before this incident. On neither of those occasions did Evra make the accusation.

'It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.'

We'll say this slowly - the FA did not charge Suarez with 'being a racist'. They charged him with using racist language. A man does not have to be 'a racist' to use racist language.

Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black...He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.'

Seriously? The 'some of my best friends' argument? And as some have already pointed out, claiming a man cannot be racist because his grandfather was black is a little like saying he cannot be misogynist because he had a grandmother.

'We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.'

Ah, the classic trick of trying to flip around the blame. Are you trying to defend your man or simply say the other guy was just as bad? Also, we're handing out credit for 'not lying about hearing something you didn't' now, are we?

Football365 has not taken a stand on this matter because we have no idea what actually happened and without all of the evidence, it's a far too complex issue to take lightly.

Liverpool are a fine football club, but please, have some dignity. It's hardly a surprise when an element of their support reacts in a certain manner when the club behaves in this way.

[Fowler_E7]

Why not just make a short statement of a couple of sentences along the lines of "We are disappointed Suarez has been found guilty. We will review the evidence and decide whether or not to appeal. Liverpool FC is committed to anti-racism at all levels of football"

At least this way its dignified.

Instead of coming out with stuff like, Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black and He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

This does not mean someone will not be racist !!!

We shouldn't be putting stuff like that on our website. For me its embarrassing

Agreed, thought was no need to mention all the stuff about his mates being black, its the typical 'im not racist because my plumbers black' nonsense. Cant beleive the clubs solicitors gave that statement the all clear for public release, really poor choice of words.

[maypaxvobiscum]

Why not just make a short statement of a couple of sentences along the lines of "We are disappointed Suarez has been found guilty. We will review the evidence and decide whether or not to appeal. Liverpool FC is committed to anti-racism at all levels of football"

At least this way its dignified.

Instead of coming out with stuff like, Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black and He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

This does not mean someone will not be racist !!!

We shouldn't be putting stuff like that on our website. For me its embarrassing

makes two of us DD, I fully agree.

For me Suarez was silly in doing what he did and to be perfectly honest I expected a heavy ban. 8 games might be pushing it but once you put yourself in the situation, you only have yourself to blame.

Regarding what we will do in his absence, I think this ban coupled with our failures in the final third so far should give Kenny the incentive needed to go out and sign another forward to aid our push for fourth.

Obviously a lot of that will depend on the results we get until the beginning of January and whether Carroll starts performing or not (Gerrard's condition too).

Gonna have to disagree with you on this.

If a player is a constant diver, referees will be alert to claims by the player if he falls to the ground. Using that analogy, Evra has made claims before which were proven to be untrue. Now of course i'm not suggesting all future claims by Evra are akin to that of the boy who cried wolf. BUT that brings me to the second point which is, that there's no evidence, and thirdly, it comes at a very controversial time where the verdict of John Terry is to be released as well. Furthermore, Suarez could be a victim of the FA's intention to send a signal to the rest of how strongly they feel about racism, alleged or not.

I think it is very refreshing to see how resolute our club has been ever since the new owners took over. This is the club Suarez plays for, if we don't support him, who will? He is public enemy #1 at this point for numerous reasons, which happens to include his amazing footballing ability. There is no harm in releasing a strong statement on our website when in comparison, you have Mancs surrounding the referee at every opportunity when things do not go their way. Do take note that even before the game against them started, Evra was already moaning. Furthermore, there seems to be a double standard as Suarez was abused as well. It does not matter if the abuse was heard, what matter is that if it was given, and it was when Evra called Suarez a "sudaca".

Quoting Aragorn, "Show no mercy, for you'll be shown none".

[maypaxvobiscum]

Football365 has not taken a stand on this matter because we have no idea what actually happened and without all of the evidence, it's a far too complex issue to take lightly.

this sums it all.