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Homebooby wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Downing is decent, and probably has the right attitude, he is not special either, more a consistent 7/10 player every game, but £20m? ? For some reason we are being raped again on the prices. The players we have bought seemed to make it clear they want to join us, so why are we paying over the odds?

Quoting this post, but this applies to all concerned about the supposed pricing..some things to consider

1. As stated, we are not an overly attractive option to the 'star' players, 1 because we don't offer European football and 2 because it is pretty clear since ownership changed is that the relative gravy train experienced at Man U, Man City and Chelsea is not stopping at Anfield...so those people who are financially inclined will not be coming simple as that. Boo !n hoo.

2. Clearly there is a strategy to move away from European supermo primadonnas and build a core of grafters and reinstill the values of LFC from the ground up, without the disruption of someone like Torres.

3. Look at the clubs that we are targeting at the moment. In most cases we are poaching their best player, whilst the player has several years on his contract. Would we have let Gerrard at 27 go off to Chelsea underpriced? Or would it have been overpriced like Torres? Forget about jumping to conclusions about me comparing Downing to Gerrard etc, I am referring to the worth/value of that player to said club. Some people (like Gerrard) are seen as irreplacable and the gap left is going to be massive, so of course people will milk it for as much as they can and who can blame them.

4. Noone appears to be looking at the whole picture. Relatively these guys coming in could be WAY cheaper in the long run than any of the 'comparably priced' alternatives you are putting forward. Who knows what the wage bills look like for these guys, but my guess is their starting point is a hell of a lot more humble than a lot of the alternatives put forward here.

I could go on and on here, but take the point. None of you really know what is going on, however you were all made up that Kenny was back.  Whenever the owners have been questioned about putting money into the club (remember the whingers who complained that they actually didn't spend much when Carroll and Suarez came in because of the Torres fee) it seems that they are supporting the management team in every instance. We haven't missed out on anyone and we haven't baulked at spending money. For once we're free of scandal, free of rumours, we have stability and the possibility of a long term future at the top of the game.

I for one am enjoying it all and I shall look forward to seeing whether the tactics are working out throughout the season. Forget about in Kenny we trust blind foolishness, this is LIGHT YEARS from where we were last season and hopefully in 12 months, we'll be LIGHT YEARS ahead from now.

 

Dalglish wrote:

SouthCoastShankly wrote:I'm depressed, every instinct says he is horse sh!te. I said the same about Crouch though. Let's hope I'm wrong again!

I'm not so much as depressed but "concerned" that he might freeze in the headlights at Anfield.

Forget stepping out for Villa and England for that matter, the lad has just took a massive step up in terms of expectation and whats demanded of him.

Time will tell and I hope I get reminded of this post in 6 months when he is ripping defenders to shreds.

Personally I would prefer Johnson all day long but maybe its a season too early to try and get him. However if LFC push on and do well this coming season and City don't then maybe Johnson and Milner may be Liverpool players this time next year.

Homebooby wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Downing is decent, and probably has the right attitude, he is not special either, more a consistent 7/10 player every game, but £20m? ? For some reason we are being raped again on the prices. The players we have bought seemed to make it clear they want to join us, so why are we paying over the odds?

Quoting this post, but this applies to all concerned about the supposed pricing..some things to consider

1. As stated, we are not an overly attractive option to the 'star' players, 1 because we don't offer European football and 2 because it is pretty clear since ownership changed is that the relative gravy train experienced at Man U, Man City and Chelsea is not stopping at Anfield...so those people who are financially inclined will not be coming simple as that. Boo !n hoo.

2. Clearly there is a strategy to move away from European supermo primadonnas and build a core of grafters and reinstill the values of LFC from the ground up, without the disruption of someone like Torres.

3. Look at the clubs that we are targeting at the moment. In most cases we are poaching their best player, whilst the player has several years on his contract. Would we have let Gerrard at 27 go off to Chelsea underpriced? Or would it have been overpriced like Torres? Forget about jumping to conclusions about me comparing Downing to Gerrard etc, I am referring to the worth/value of that player to said club. Some people (like Gerrard) are seen as irreplacable and the gap left is going to be massive, so of course people will milk it for as much as they can and who can blame them.

4. Noone appears to be looking at the whole picture. Relatively these guys coming in could be WAY cheaper in the long run than any of the 'comparably priced' alternatives you are putting forward. Who knows what the wage bills look like for these guys, but my guess is their starting point is a hell of a lot more humble than a lot of the alternatives put forward here.

I could go on and on here, but take the point. None of you really know what is going on, however you were all made up that Kenny was back.  Whenever the owners have been questioned about putting money into the club (remember the whingers who complained that they actually didn't spend much when Carroll and Suarez came in because of the Torres fee) it seems that they are supporting the management team in every instance. We haven't missed out on anyone and we haven't baulked at spending money. For once we're free of scandal, free of rumours, we have stability and the possibility of a long term future at the top of the game.

I for one am enjoying it all and I shall look forward to seeing whether the tactics are working out throughout the season. Forget about in Kenny we trust blind foolishness, this is LIGHT YEARS from where we were last season and hopefully in 12 months, we'll be LIGHT YEARS ahead from now.

One of the best posts here in sometime.  Splendidly put!

Greavesie wrote:Ryan Babel has tweeted:
Downing with my number. smh

smh means shakes my head for those who dont know

he did go on to wish him well tho

Paul Dalglish gave him a word there

Homebooby wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Downing is decent, and probably has the right attitude, he is not special either, more a consistent 7/10 player every game, but £20m? ? For some reason we are being raped again on the prices. The players we have bought seemed to make it clear they want to join us, so why are we paying over the odds?

Quoting this post, but this applies to all concerned about the supposed pricing..some things to consider

1. As stated, we are not an overly attractive option to the 'star' players, 1 because we don't offer European football and 2 because it is pretty clear since ownership changed is that the relative gravy train experienced at Man U, Man City and Chelsea is not stopping at Anfield...so those people who are financially inclined will not be coming simple as that. Boo !n hoo.

2. Clearly there is a strategy to move away from European supermo primadonnas and build a core of grafters and reinstill the values of LFC from the ground up, without the disruption of someone like Torres.

3. Look at the clubs that we are targeting at the moment. In most cases we are poaching their best player, whilst the player has several years on his contract. Would we have let Gerrard at 27 go off to Chelsea underpriced? Or would it have been overpriced like Torres? Forget about jumping to conclusions about me comparing Downing to Gerrard etc, I am referring to the worth/value of that player to said club. Some people (like Gerrard) are seen as irreplacable and the gap left is going to be massive, so of course people will milk it for as much as they can and who can blame them.

4. Noone appears to be looking at the whole picture. Relatively these guys coming in could be WAY cheaper in the long run than any of the 'comparably priced' alternatives you are putting forward. Who knows what the wage bills look like for these guys, but my guess is their starting point is a hell of a lot more humble than a lot of the alternatives put forward here.

I could go on and on here, but take the point. None of you really know what is going on, however you were all made up that Kenny was back.  Whenever the owners have been questioned about putting money into the club (remember the whingers who complained that they actually didn't spend much when Carroll and Suarez came in because of the Torres fee) it seems that they are supporting the management team in every instance. We haven't missed out on anyone and we haven't baulked at spending money. For once we're free of scandal, free of rumours, we have stability and the possibility of a long term future at the top of the game.

I for one am enjoying it all and I shall look forward to seeing whether the tactics are working out throughout the season. Forget about in Kenny we trust blind foolishness, this is LIGHT YEARS from where we were last season and hopefully in 12 months, we'll be LIGHT YEARS ahead from now.

Homebooby wrote:Quoting this post, but this applies to all concerned about the supposed pricing..some things to consider

1. As stated, we are not an overly attractive option to the 'star' players, 1 because we don't offer European football and 2 because it is pretty clear since ownership changed is that the relative gravy train experienced at Man U, Man City and Chelsea is not stopping at Anfield...so those people who are financially inclined will not be coming simple as that. Boo !n hoo.

2. Clearly there is a strategy to move away from European supermo primadonnas and build a core of grafters and reinstill the values of LFC from the ground up, without the disruption of someone like Torres.

3. Look at the clubs that we are targeting at the moment. In most cases we are poaching their best player, whilst the player has several years on his contract. Would we have let Gerrard at 27 go off to Chelsea underpriced? Or would it have been overpriced like Torres? Forget about jumping to conclusions about me comparing Downing to Gerrard etc, I am referring to the worth/value of that player to said club. Some people (like Gerrard) are seen as irreplacable and the gap left is going to be massive, so of course people will milk it for as much as they can and who can blame them.

4. Noone appears to be looking at the whole picture. Relatively these guys coming in could be WAY cheaper in the long run than any of the 'comparably priced' alternatives you are putting forward. Who knows what the wage bills look like for these guys, but my guess is their starting point is a hell of a lot more humble than a lot of the alternatives put forward here.

I could go on and on here, but take the point. None of you really know what is going on, however you were all made up that Kenny was back.  Whenever the owners have been questioned about putting money into the club (remember the whingers who complained that they actually didn't spend much when Carroll and Suarez came in because of the Torres fee) it seems that they are supporting the management team in every instance. We haven't missed out on anyone and we haven't baulked at spending money. For once we're free of scandal, free of rumours, we have stability and the possibility of a long term future at the top of the game.

I for one am enjoying it all and I shall look forward to seeing whether the tactics are working out throughout the season. Forget about in Kenny we trust blind foolishness, this is LIGHT YEARS from where we were last season and hopefully in 12 months, we'll be LIGHT YEARS ahead from now.

Homebooby wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Downing is decent, and probably has the right attitude, he is not special either, more a consistent 7/10 player every game, but £20m? ? For some reason we are being raped again on the prices. The players we have bought seemed to make it clear they want to join us, so why are we paying over the odds?

Quoting this post, but this applies to all concerned about the supposed pricing..some things to consider

1. As stated, we are not an overly attractive option to the 'star' players, 1 because we don't offer European football and 2 because it is pretty clear since ownership changed is that the relative gravy train experienced at Man U, Man City and Chelsea is not stopping at Anfield...so those people who are financially inclined will not be coming simple as that. Boo !n hoo.

2. Clearly there is a strategy to move away from European supermo primadonnas and build a core of grafters and reinstill the values of LFC from the ground up, without the disruption of someone like Torres.

3. Look at the clubs that we are targeting at the moment. In most cases we are poaching their best player, whilst the player has several years on his contract. Would we have let Gerrard at 27 go off to Chelsea underpriced? Or would it have been overpriced like Torres? Forget about jumping to conclusions about me comparing Downing to Gerrard etc, I am referring to the worth/value of that player to said club. Some people (like Gerrard) are seen as irreplacable and the gap left is going to be massive, so of course people will milk it for as much as they can and who can blame them.

4. Noone appears to be looking at the whole picture. Relatively these guys coming in could be WAY cheaper in the long run than any of the 'comparably priced' alternatives you are putting forward. Who knows what the wage bills look like for these guys, but my guess is their starting point is a hell of a lot more humble than a lot of the alternatives put forward here.

I could go on and on here, but take the point. None of you really know what is going on, however you were all made up that Kenny was back.  Whenever the owners have been questioned about putting money into the club (remember the whingers who complained that they actually didn't spend much when Carroll and Suarez came in because of the Torres fee) it seems that they are supporting the management team in every instance. We haven't missed out on anyone and we haven't baulked at spending money. For once we're free of scandal, free of rumours, we have stability and the possibility of a long term future at the top of the game.

I for one am enjoying it all and I shall look forward to seeing whether the tactics are working out throughout the season. Forget about in Kenny we trust blind foolishness, this is LIGHT YEARS from where we were last season and hopefully in 12 months, we'll be LIGHT YEARS ahead from now.

kawaton wrote:Had we played along with Villa, Blackpool and Sunderlands games, the saga would have dragged on and everyone would have moaned.
We may have ended up saving a million or 2, but we wouldn't have bought them until end of the window....already a few weeks into the campaign.....and maybe already a few points behind in the league.
Chances are Villa wouldnt have sold Downing for any less THIS year.  He had 2 years left on his contract afterall. Hendo more so

The way i see it, the owners haven't f****d about, they have nailed our prime targets down early into pre-season.  The players can get used to the system in time for the start of the season.

That's worth a few £ in my book.

Worth a few points as well

redtrader74 wrote:

Homebooby wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:Downing is decent, and probably has the right attitude, he is not special either, more a consistent 7/10 player every game, but £20m? ? For some reason we are being raped again on the prices. The players we have bought seemed to make it clear they want to join us, so why are we paying over the odds?

Quoting this post, but this applies to all concerned about the supposed pricing..some things to consider

1. As stated, we are not an overly attractive option to the 'star' players, 1 because we don't offer European football and 2 because it is pretty clear since ownership changed is that the relative gravy train experienced at Man U, Man City and Chelsea is not stopping at Anfield...so those people who are financially inclined will not be coming simple as that. Boo !n hoo.

2. Clearly there is a strategy to move away from European supermo primadonnas and build a core of grafters and reinstill the values of LFC from the ground up, without the disruption of someone like Torres.

3. Look at the clubs that we are targeting at the moment. In most cases we are poaching their best player, whilst the player has several years on his contract. Would we have let Gerrard at 27 go off to Chelsea underpriced? Or would it have been overpriced like Torres? Forget about jumping to conclusions about me comparing Downing to Gerrard etc, I am referring to the worth/value of that player to said club. Some people (like Gerrard) are seen as irreplacable and the gap left is going to be massive, so of course people will milk it for as much as they can and who can blame them.

4. Noone appears to be looking at the whole picture. Relatively these guys coming in could be WAY cheaper in the long run than any of the 'comparably priced' alternatives you are putting forward. Who knows what the wage bills look like for these guys, but my guess is their starting point is a hell of a lot more humble than a lot of the alternatives put forward here.

I could go on and on here, but take the point. None of you really know what is going on, however you were all made up that Kenny was back.  Whenever the owners have been questioned about putting money into the club (remember the whingers who complained that they actually didn't spend much when Carroll and Suarez came in because of the Torres fee) it seems that they are supporting the management team in every instance. We haven't missed out on anyone and we haven't baulked at spending money. For once we're free of scandal, free of rumours, we have stability and the possibility of a long term future at the top of the game.

I for one am enjoying it all and I shall look forward to seeing whether the tactics are working out throughout the season. Forget about in Kenny we trust blind foolishness, this is LIGHT YEARS from where we were last season and hopefully in 12 months, we'll be LIGHT YEARS ahead from now.

I appreciate the sentiments of your post, I don't have an big problem with who we are buying, but the prices that are being quoted, unchallenged, are ridiculous. Downing and Adam both wanted to come to us, and Adam was, IIRC, in his last year, therefore we should have thrown our considerable weight around and screwed Villa, Blackpool and Sunderland to the ground.

I know it's not my money but buying these players at these prices will mean future targets will have a premium, which could price us out of the market at that time.

Benny The Noon wrote:One year we are having to sell to buy and scrimping and scrounging to get a couple of pennies together to buy second rate players and everyone complains

the next year we spent nearly a 100 million in 9 months and then people say we are paying too much ?!?!

That was always going to happen though, and I think it had been mentioned more than once on here.  We could buy Messi for 10 Million and people would wonder if it would be a good move because he might not be able to take the rigors of the Prem 

Kharhaz wrote:We buy wingers and get whingers

Good to know your not wasting all that free time 

neil wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:We buy wingers and get whingers

Good to know your not wasting all that free time 

  Its comedy gold !