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by **Greavesie** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:06 am

ah I miss the number of question marks Benny can squeeze into one post

seriously though I do agree that 90 grand is excessive for a bench player - we really can't afford it, let's address that issue first, see what we can do about that

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:08 am

So where does he fit into the starting 11 on a regular basis and what does he offer the club ?

by **Greavesie** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:12 am

its not about fitting straight into the first team, you need depth. Depth wins leagues, Cole if good to have as a back up, the only issue imo is the wages

by **aCe'** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:20 am

Hes a quality player and the fact that he hasnt shown it in Liverpool colors doesnt change that... He probably doesnt figure in the starting 11 today but then again you never know what happens until next season... One thing is for sure: he hasnt done enough to guarantee his place in the squad..

90grand a week is not what im talking about here.. I'm talking about the club having a well balanced squad that can go out and challenge for honors.. You cant do that unless you have quality in depth.. If we sell him tomorrow and bring in a Krankjar, Arshavin, A.Johnson, A.Valencia, Malouda..etc type of player i'd be more than happy... That said, to get that sort of player would cost the club quite a bit of money with no guarantees that said player would be better than J.Cole or would get more opportunities... I dont really believe that Cole got his opportunity to show what he offers with Liverpool yet for whatever reason... To see Kenny bring on Shelvey as a wide player ahead of Cole is surprising to be honest..

To answer your question GYBS because i know you wont stop asking it and i probably wont be around to keep arguing... He doesnt figure in th starting 11 now because he hasnt earned a spot for whatever reason.. What he offers is a potentially top quality player who is already contracted to the club and who can do a job if managed properly by someone who gets the best out of him..

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:23 am

Not the only issue mate - quality in depth as well ,even if he was sat on the bench he doesn't come on the change games or provide that spark - he used to but not for a number of years now .

I would rather have a Suso or a Sterling sat on the bench- young , hungry, qualityand massive potential .

Cole used to be a great player and emphasis is on the phrase "used to be " .

If he could still provide something for a top 4 club there would be no way Chelsea would let him run his contract down- he left for a reason .

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:30 am

aCe' wrote:Hes a quality player and the fact that he hasnt shown it in Liverpool colors doesnt change that... He probably doesnt figure in the starting 11 today but then again you never know what happens until next season... One thing is for sure: he hasnt done enough to guarantee his place in the squad..

90grand a week is not what im talking about here.. I'm talking about the club having a well balanced squad that can go out and challenge for honors.. You cant do that unless you have quality in depth.. If we sell him tomorrow and bring in a Krankjar, Arshavin, A.Johnson, A.Valencia, Malouda..etc type of player i'd be more than happy... That said, to get that sort of player would cost the club quite a bit of money with no guarantees that said player would be better than J.Cole or would get more opportunities... I dont really believe that Cole got his opportunity to show what he offers with Liverpool yet for whatever reason... To see Kenny bring on Shelvey as a wide player ahead of Cole is surprising to be honest..

To answer your question GYBS because i know you wont stop asking it and i probably wont be around to keep arguing... He doesnt figure in th starting 11 now because he hasnt earned a spot for whatever reason.. What he offers is a potentially top quality player who is already contracted to the club and who can do a job if managed properly by someone who gets the best out of him..

When was he last showing this "quality"

2 years ago ? Maybe 3 or is the truth before his knee injury . Since then he has played lots of games but hasn't shown the quality he used to .

Players like Shevely are going onto the pitch before him because that's the path Kenny is taking the club - young and hungry players .

Getting rid of him for even 5 million would save the club 15 million in wages for a start - money that can be used to fund better and younger players .

by **maguskwt** » Sun May 01, 2011 12:52 am

Like it or not.. Cole is starting to look like another Kewell signing... remember Kewell was a great player at Leeds? Proven premiership player with lots of goals from the midfield? Once he moved to Liverpool, he was always injured or not match fit... If Cole wants to proof his doubters wrong it is now... the fact is that Yossi was more useful to us then cole is right now coming off the bench and changing the game so many times. I still have hope in Joe Cole though. He seems to have a good personality but I question his motivation. Is he still interested in football? He has won the league title three times and drawing good money at Chelsea and now us. Maybe his ambition is not there anymore.

by **metalhead** » Sun May 01, 2011 7:19 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Are we Man City or Chelsea ?

Can we afford to have someone sat on the bench earning 90 grand a week ?

Kenny will be manager next season - it's pretty much a guarentee - we are looking at true wide players already but Cole isn't even that - so where does he play ?

Off a striker ? - well we have two players better and more productive there- Suarez and Kuyt

Where exactly would Cole fit into the team - he has to be more than just a squad member .

Why do people always bring up the 90k a week wage, I don't give a sh*t if he is getting paid 200k a week. I think its a poor argument when someone brings wages into the debate anyways, he can be earning less than 90k because of taxes :laugh:

What matters most is what he will bring to team, while gybs is so happy that Joe Cole has failed with Liverpool just to prove a point, I'll agree withe ace regarding Cole's qualities and I think we need a strong squad next season if we need to go all out for a title challenge, f*ck the 90k, we need players like Joe Cole on the bench that would bring more options or use as plan B.

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun May 01, 2011 9:18 am

metalhead wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Are we Man City or Chelsea ?

Can we afford to have someone sat on the bench earning 90 grand a week ?

Kenny will be manager next season - it's pretty much a guarentee - we are looking at true wide players already but Cole isn't even that - so where does he play ?

Off a striker ? - well we have two players better and more productive there- Suarez and Kuyt

Where exactly would Cole fit into the team - he has to be more than just a squad member .

Why do people always bring up the 90k a week wage, I don't give a sh*t if he is getting paid 200k a week. I think its a poor argument when someone brings wages into the debate anyways, he can be earning less than 90k because of taxes

What matters most is what he will bring to team, while gybs is so happy that Joe Cole has failed with Liverpool just to prove a point, I'll agree withe ace regarding Cole's qualities and I think we need a strong squad next season if we need to go all out for a title challenge, f*ck the 90k, we need players like Joe Cole on the bench that would bring more options or use as plan B.

Why do people always bring up the 90k a week wage, I don't give a sh*t if he is getting paid 200k a week. I think its a poor argument when someone brings wages into the debate anyways, he can be earning less than 90k because of taxes

Do you want to say that to the thousands that give money to the club daily , weekly and monthly - how much he pays in taxes mean feck all when we still fork out 90 grand , we arent Man City who can afford to fork out massive wages on bench players - and just to make the point again - new UEFA rules mean we can only spend what we earn so we have to get our finances spot on so 90 grand on someone who doesnt play week in week out is wasting money best spent elsewhere

What matters most is what he will bring to team

What exactly does he bring to the team ?

Cole's qualities

Which are what ? And when exactly did he last show it - in either a Liverpool shirt (never) or a Chelsea shirt ( 3 years ago before his serious injury )

There is no point constantly going on about Cole's supposed quality when he hasnt shown any quality for years now

by **PabloMedina28** » Sun May 01, 2011 9:36 am

Jesus benny let it go lad. I agree with eveything your saying but you dont need to repeat yourself over and over again. Youd think hes rapped your sister the way your continually dishing him.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sun May 01, 2011 9:40 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Are we Man City or Chelsea ?

Can we afford to have someone sat on the bench earning 90 grand a week ?

Kenny will be manager next season - it's pretty much a guarentee - we are looking at true wide players already but Cole isn't even that - so where does he play ?

Off a striker ? - well we have two players better and more productive there- Suarez and Kuyt

Where exactly would Cole fit into the team - he has to be more than just a squad member .

Why do people always bring up the 90k a week wage, I don't give a sh*t if he is getting paid 200k a week. I think its a poor argument when someone brings wages into the debate anyways, he can be earning less than 90k because of taxes

What matters most is what he will bring to team, while gybs is so happy that Joe Cole has failed with Liverpool just to prove a point, I'll agree withe ace regarding Cole's qualities and I think we need a strong squad next season if we need to go all out for a title challenge, f*ck the 90k, we need players like Joe Cole on the bench that would bring more options or use as plan B.

Why do people always bring up the 90k a week wage, I don't give a sh*t if he is getting paid 200k a week. I think its a poor argument when someone brings wages into the debate anyways, he can be earning less than 90k because of taxes

Do you want to say that to the thousands that give money to the club daily , weekly and monthly - how much he pays in taxes mean feck all when we still fork out 90 grand , we arent Man City who can afford to fork out massive wages on bench players - and just to make the point again - new UEFA rules mean we can only spend what we earn so we have to get our finances spot on so 90 grand on someone who doesnt play week in week out is wasting money best spent elsewhere

What matters most is what he will bring to team

What exactly does he bring to the team ?

Cole's qualities

Which are what ? And when exactly did he last show it - in either a Liverpool shirt (never) or a Chelsea shirt ( 3 years ago before his serious injury )

There is no point constantly going on about Cole's supposed quality when he hasnt shown any quality for years now

People seem to be forgetting that one of the major factor in Joe Cole decline from his best days at Chelsea is injury.

Let him go if the main argument is he will always be injury prone but surely don't question potential and his ability.

Kenny himself has only said good things about Joe Cole, especially his training regiment. He recently said Cole was coming in on days off to train extra. That is a man determined to prove himself.

This season has hardly been ideal. He has had a change in manager in his debut season and suffered a big injury re-occurrence. To suggest he needs to go in the summer is the definition of knee-jerk reaction!

I expect his to stay and be given a proper chance once fit. For me he still has it as a top quality player. I would be getting rid of Maxi before Cole.

by **PabloMedina28** » Sun May 01, 2011 9:46 am

Id be getting rid of both

by **neil** » Sun May 01, 2011 9:50 am

90k, isnt that average theses days anyway?

by **PabloMedina28** » Sun May 01, 2011 9:58 am

Is that your face?

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun May 01, 2011 10:18 am

PabloMedina28 wrote:Is that your face?

Get a grip
:laugh:

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