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by **neil** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:14 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:of course we should all believe you GYBS as everyone knows you've got a crystal ball. so we shall see what happens with Joe Cole but as far as i'm concerned, unlike you, i want him to succeed. and unlike Konchesky and Poulsen who should be shipped out, Joe Cole has proven himself as a player at West Ham and Chelsea. and as far as my knowledge is concerned, dude who are you kidding? i'm not the one on pills am i?

you can have the last word GYBass.

Is that the best you can come up with ?

Your nothing but a clueless plastic fan who prob supported the mancs at one point , the chavs another and will prob be an arsenal fan in a couple of years

jesus are you at it again

always arguing and putting people down, wheres that igor zidane to back you up?

by **dawson99** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:08 pm

im just happy a thread is ruined, and i had nothing to do with it, i must be maturing

by **neil** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:05 pm

dawson99 wrote:im just happy a thread is ruined, and i had nothing to do with it, i must be maturing

whats that got to do with Joe Cole? jeeez dawes. Anyways, If Joe can get a good 'pre-season' under his belt I'm sure he can still be a 1st XI player, like someone said earlier its not like we dont know he's a special player we just need Kenny & Steve to bring it back to the fore. I'd deffo give him another season.

by **7_Kewell** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:05 pm

The Good Yank wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Ahhh but thats because your not reading between the lines.

Roy signed him remember, and therefore every signing he made has to be a disaster. Even now, regardless of the performances Meireles has put in, the praise is reserved simply because Roy may have made a good signing.

When Joe Cole signed I was made up. Over the moon that we got him. Unfortunately, we can now see why Chelsea decided to let him go.

So let him have his moment, let him have his "told ya so" moment, because these arguments are usually a case of black and white.

HAHA, I'll bet there was a dog kicked when Meireles won the (Insert Alphabet) player of the season award in GYBS' house.

i noticed GYBS didn't post on that thread with a 'I told you i was wrong' type post.

poor doggy

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:02 pm

Are you guys really celebrating anything to do with Woy !!!

You really nearly need to have a hard think back towards the first half of the season and it shows you exactly how totally poor a manager he was for us and how much backwards he took us .

4 out of 5 of his signings were the worst signings of the season and the biggest waste of money and another had a very good 3 months for us . Only single bit of credit Woy gets is Merieles - even then he played him wrong and totally wrong tactics - he only flourished under Kenny .

Woy was the worst manager in our history and by a long way - the stats tell the whole story - worst position in 50 years , in relegation zone , negative goal difference , clueless during the game , inept in the media

Cole was supposed to be his marquee signing - the England superstar with prem medals . One slight problem - he suffered a serious knee injury as well as other injuries and was finished as a top level prem performer - yet people were taken along by the crest of the wave of his signing and ignored the obvious .

Cole has contributed zero to our team this season and we have paid him 5 million for the pleasure ( plus whatever signing on fee the inept Purslow gave him ) .

The people who think Cole will return to his former glories are naively hanging onto to slim false hope that he was a good signing by a supposedly good manager .

Look past your nose and see the truth - he is finished at a top club and will hopefully move into a mid table team to become a big fish in a small pond .

Joe Cole is not the future of Liverpool Football Club , our future is elsewhere and his future is elsewhere .

Goodbye Joe Cole .

by **metalhead** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:11 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:The people who think Cole will return to his former glories are naively hanging onto to slim false hope that he was a good signing by a supposedly good manager .

He is a top player in the past, so excuse me if some people on here still hope that he turns out to be a good player once he is a 100% fit. Everyone knows what he is capable of, and I would like to keep him in the team because of his qualities. You seem to very happy that you have been proven right, you don't even show a slight disappointment that it isn't working out with him.

by **Greavesie** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:14 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Are you guys really celebrating anything to do with Woy !!!

You really nearly need to have a hard think back towards the first half of the season and it shows you exactly how totally poor a manager he was for us and how much backwards he took us .

4 out of 5 of his signings were the worst signings of the season and the biggest waste of money and another had a very good 3 months for us . Only single bit of credit Woy gets is Merieles - even then he played him wrong and totally wrong tactics - he only flourished under Kenny .

Woy was the worst manager in our history and by a long way - the stats tell the whole story - worst position in 50 years , in relegation zone , negative goal difference , clueless during the game , inept in the media

Cole was supposed to be his marquee signing - the England superstar with prem medals . One slight problem - he suffered a serious knee injury as well as other injuries and was finished as a top level prem performer - yet people were taken along by the crest of the wave of his signing and ignored the obvious .

Cole has contributed zero to our team this season and we have paid him 5 million for the pleasure ( plus whatever signing on fee the inept Purslow gave him ) .

The people who think Cole will return to his former glories are naively hanging onto to slim false hope that he was a good signing by a supposedly good manager .

Look past your nose and see the truth - he is finished at a top club and will hopefully move into a mid table team to become a big fish in a small pond .

Joe Cole is not the future of Liverpool Football Club , our future is elsewhere and his future is elsewhere .

Goodbye Joe Cole .

Roy and Cole are two separate things, your opinion of Cole seems to have an agenda...

I know what you've already said about him but this really doesn't help your cause mate

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:23 pm

He was 100% fit for the whole of the first 3-4 months of the season and did feck all for us , he was not given a new contract with Chelsea because he was no longer the player he used to be because of his knee injury - I was extremely disappointed we signed him on the massive contract he was given - where exactly does he fit into the team currently and where next season when we are looking to get quick creative wingers - No place for Joe Cole .

My disappointment of him not working out is prob not as much as others because I had a feeling he wouldn't work out for us so I was prepared for it and expected it - just like Konchesky , Poulsen etc - wasted millions by previous regime that we need to clear out of the club .

There is new rules coming into force where we can only spend what we earn - I in no way want to waste 90 grand a week on a player who will sit on the bench .

Kenny knows it hence why he isn't playing and Cole knows it - only have to look at the reactions last week .

Cole offers us nothing in the future and he will be sacrificed to clear wages for someone who will be part of the squad and the future of Liverpool .

Instead of people going back over stuff he did 3 years ago in the hope it may return , tell us all exactly what he offers us in the future and when he last showed it

by **Greavesie** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:25 pm

Benny, I agree he wasn't effective under Roy, but who was?! everyone looks a completely different player under Kenny and I reckon Cole should have a run of games with this gaffer to show what he can do. Would you have chucked Merieles this summer if Kenny hadn't have come in?

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:29 pm

Greavesie wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Are you guys really celebrating anything to do with Woy !!!

You really nearly need to have a hard think back towards the first half of the season and it shows you exactly how totally poor a manager he was for us and how much backwards he took us .

4 out of 5 of his signings were the worst signings of the season and the biggest waste of money and another had a very good 3 months for us . Only single bit of credit Woy gets is Merieles - even then he played him wrong and totally wrong tactics - he only flourished under Kenny .

Woy was the worst manager in our history and by a long way - the stats tell the whole story - worst position in 50 years , in relegation zone , negative goal difference , clueless during the game , inept in the media

Cole was supposed to be his marquee signing - the England superstar with prem medals . One slight problem - he suffered a serious knee injury as well as other injuries and was finished as a top level prem performer - yet people were taken along by the crest of the wave of his signing and ignored the obvious .

Cole has contributed zero to our team this season and we have paid him 5 million for the pleasure ( plus whatever signing on fee the inept Purslow gave him ) .

The people who think Cole will return to his former glories are naively hanging onto to slim false hope that he was a good signing by a supposedly good manager .

Look past your nose and see the truth - he is finished at a top club and will hopefully move into a mid table team to become a big fish in a small pond .

Joe Cole is not the future of Liverpool Football Club , our future is elsewhere and his future is elsewhere .

Goodbye Joe Cole .

Roy and Cole are two separate things, your opinion of Cole seems to have an agenda...

I know what you've already said about him but this really doesn't help your cause mate

Go back to the start of the thread and read the abuse and the :censored:

I got because of the doubts I had about him and his signing and you will understand Greavsie .

There is no agenda mate - this club took so many backwards and wrong steps during the summe and people on here got massive amounts of abuse because they aired those doubts and opinions and people were hounded away .

Hodgson was the wrong signing and we sorted that out

Now we just need to sort out the rest of the wrong signings and move onto the future .

What exactly does Cole offer us in the future .

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:32 pm

Greavesie wrote:Benny, I agree he wasn't effective under Roy, but who was?! everyone looks a completely different player under Kenny and I reckon Cole should have a run of games with this gaffer to show what he can do. Would you have chucked Merieles this summer if Kenny hadn't have come in?

Merieles has had how many serious injuries ? Merieles is a current international who was just played poorly by previous manage

Where exactly in the team would Cole fit in when you see Kenny is going with 2 strikers ?

by **Greavesie** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:17 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Greavesie wrote:Benny, I agree he wasn't effective under Roy, but who was?! everyone looks a completely different player under Kenny and I reckon Cole should have a run of games with this gaffer to show what he can do. Would you have chucked Merieles this summer if Kenny hadn't have come in?

Merieles has had how many serious injuries ? Merieles is a current international who was just played poorly by previous manage

Where exactly in the team would Cole fit in when you see Kenny is going with 2 strikers ?

is kenny even going with two strikers? I don't see Suarez as an out and out striker. He seems to come deep and often play wide and cut inside

Cole gives us an issue yes, but its a welcome one in my eyes. Only problem with Cole is he's not a winger anymore, there's a debate to be had on what to do with him and everyone probably has their own ideas.

I can see both arguments, bu I genuinely think there;s more potential in Cole than Babel (I'm using him as an example because of the repeated 'potential' remarks that were made about him)

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:45 pm

Cole is 29 nearly 30 mate - he should be the finished article now - not potential - to pay someone those sort of wages you have to be playing week in week out - do you see Cole being that ? I most certainly don't and going by what we have seen from Kenny since he arrives he agrees .

Where is his spot in the team ? What do you see him adding to the team ?

When he has played he looks slow and laboured- his little tricks don't work anymore , his steps over go at a snails pace . If he was on a low wage then yes he could be a squad option but we can't afford to spend that sort of money on someone who is a squad option .

by **aCe'** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:52 pm

Cole has been a big disappointment so far this season. To some part, that has to do with managers not using him enough and perhaps not playing him where he's most effective.

As far as im concerned, next season is a whole different story. For starters, no one is certain whether Kenny will continue as manager or not... Obviously Kenny doesnt seem to rate Cole that highly but however comes in (assuming someone else does) might just have plans for him... He's not a bad player, and im sure if he moves to a smaller side and gets weekly football he'll perform much better..

The other thing to consider is the number of wide players we have at the club... We have Cole and Maxi who are probably the only 2 with any sort of experience playing the role... Im still not sure about Meireles playing the left midfield role long term because despite his effective performances lately he still remains largely unconvincing in his general play down the flank...

If we sell him, we'll have to replace him... I think a better option and a more feasible one would be trying to get him fit and ready for next season and have a very specific role for him in the side... Something similar to what Kalou offers Chelsea from the bench.. If he wants more than just a squad role then selling him might be the best option...

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:57 pm

Are we Man City or Chelsea ?

Can we afford to have someone sat on the bench earning 90 grand a week ?

Kenny will be manager next season - it's pretty much a guarentee - we are looking at true wide players already but Cole isn't even that - so where does he play ?

Off a striker ? - well we have two players better and more productive there- Suarez and Kuyt

Where exactly would Cole fit into the team - he has to be more than just a squad member .

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