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Emerald Red wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

rocky29 wrote:please tell me which manager in the entire world could make this current squad into a top 3 prem team. Roy never buit this squad he just inherited it.

It's funny how people were gurning about the previous manager underachieving with this squad last year. It's funny how the previous manager was outted for that very reason, that failing to get into the CL with this squad was deemed unacceptable. It's funny how he was supposedly sacked for those footballing reasons. What's even funnier is that people like yourself, and those in the media are now saying that it's a very poor squad Roy enherited.

Poor Roy. He was so overstaffed he had to let a few players that he could do with now go for nout on loan. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad of the likes he's never had in his entire 35 years worth of vast and illustrious experience. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad briming with international players, a side that had more playing in the recent World Cup than any other the world over. Clearly, these players are not good enough to string more than one or two away wins together, and top the likes of Newcastle and Blackpool, who of which are directly in our competition of current.

There's only so many times you can blame the squad before the sh*t doesn't stick. It hasn't stuck since day one. If Benitez underachieved (which he did without question) with this squad last season and got the jing for failing to get fourth spot, then the rules have been set. Hodgson had to get fourth or bust. On the evidence of how he has us playing and our form, that went out the window in October. People said give him 10 games, then 10 games came and no improvement,. Then they said give him 5 more games. 5 games came and gone and he got a few results against poor teams at home and that satisfied the naive until we get thumped again away. The same people then say judge him at Christmas.

Well, it's Christmas now. We're in limbo in the league with a minus goal difference with absolutely no sign that he can improve the way we play. I'll bet those of you who back Roy to the hilt without knowing why expected a comfortable win against Newcastle seeing that he had us playing so well, eh?

Get Rid. Get rid now before it's too late. Get Dalglish in at least until the end of the season, and if the players can't perform under him, well, at least we'll know who the devoted ones are to the shirt.

i agree with what you are saying about Roy totally. Its just a pity people like you didnt use the same rationale last season.

I was very rational last season. Under normal circumstances, I'd have been hugely critical.

well we didnt come anywhere near fourth under Rafa, we got ko'd in the group stage of the champions league and knocked out of both domestic cups early.
This after finishing second the previous season.
You didnt want him gone though 

Emerald Red wrote:

only me wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

rocky29 wrote:please tell me which manager in the entire world could make this current squad into a top 3 prem team. Roy never buit this squad he just inherited it.

It's funny how people were gurning about the previous manager underachieving with this squad last year. It's funny how the previous manager was outted for that very reason, that failing to get into the CL with this squad was deemed unacceptable. It's funny how he was supposedly sacked for those footballing reasons. What's even funnier is that people like yourself, and those in the media are now saying that it's a very poor squad Roy enherited.

Poor Roy. He was so overstaffed he had to let a few players that he could do with now go for nout on loan. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad of the likes he's never had in his entire 35 years worth of vast and illustrious experience. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad briming with international players, a side that had more playing in the recent World Cup than any other the world over. Clearly, these players are not good enough to string more than one or two away wins together, and top the likes of Newcastle and Blackpool, who of which are directly in our competition of current.

There's only so many times you can blame the squad before the sh*t doesn't stick. It hasn't stuck since day one. If Benitez underachieved (which he did without question) with this squad last season and got the jing for failing to get fourth spot, then the rules have been set. Hodgson had to get fourth or bust. On the evidence of how he has us playing and our form, that went out the window in October. People said give him 10 games, then 10 games came and no improvement,. Then they said give him 5 more games. 5 games came and gone and he got a few results against poor teams at home and that satisfied the naive until we get thumped again away. The same people then say judge him at Christmas.

Well, it's Christmas now. We're in limbo in the league with a minus goal difference with absolutely no sign that he can improve the way we play. I'll bet those of you who back Roy to the hilt without knowing why expected a comfortable win against Newcastle seeing that he had us playing so well, eh?

Get Rid. Get rid now before it's too late. Get Dalglish in at least until the end of the season, and if the players can't perform under him, well, at least we'll know who the devoted ones are to the shirt.

Rafa didn't underacheive ,he complied a squad of mediocre work horses and ripped exactly it. Don't suger coat it. Rafa thought Genious tactics are good enough to compete even if you have limited players ,guess what? you can't. And Roy and that is a fact has inherited this mix of untalented players.That is a fact. He might be over is head ,he probably is ,but he is playing with cards which aren't his.

Look, fella, that's not my opinion: that was the opinion of most on here that wanted him gone, the press, and more importantly the board of the club. In their opinion, he should have gotten fourth, now all of a sudden, there's egg on faces and the shoe is on the other foot so things get twisted about. Now, you say he compiled a squad full of mediocricy? Well, to that I will say, if this is indeed a fact, then Rafa must really be a miracle worker for getting us competing for the topmost honours in Europe and at home. Which is it, mate? Either the squad was good and Rafa was sh*t; or Rafa was genious and the squad was terrible? Can't be one or the other. Benitez underachieved last season. If you can't agree with that, then you're a bit dense, because any level-headed Red knows that he did. There was also the small inconvenience of the board and the owners last year. Roy Hodgson does not have that on his plate. He is working with relatively little pressure compared to Benitez, who having came so close to the title in the previous year, had to push on and win it or at least equal the feat. Roy does not have this pressure. All Roy was tasked with was improve the form of the side, and get them to fourth and at minimum improve over 7th. Since when was 4th a requirement at best?

Benny The Noon wrote:

rocky29 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

rocky29 wrote:please tell me which manager in the entire world could make this current squad into a top 3 prem team. Roy never buit this squad he just inherited it.

It's funny how people were gurning about the previous manager underachieving with this squad last year. It's funny how the previous manager was outted for that very reason, that failing to get into the CL with this squad was deemed unacceptable. It's funny how he was supposedly sacked for those footballing reasons. What's even funnier is that people like yourself, and those in the media are now saying that it's a very poor squad Roy enherited.

Poor Roy. He was so overstaffed he had to let a few players that he could do with now go for nout on loan. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad of the likes he's never had in his entire 35 years worth of vast and illustrious experience. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad briming with international players, a side that had more playing in the recent World Cup than any other the world over. Clearly, these players are not good enough to string more than one or two away wins together, and top the likes of Newcastle and Blackpool, who of which are directly in our competition of current.

There's only so many times you can blame the squad before the sh*t doesn't stick. It hasn't stuck since day one. If Benitez underachieved (which he did without question) with this squad last season and got the jing for failing to get fourth spot, then the rules have been set. Hodgson had to get fourth or bust. On the evidence of how he has us playing and our form, that went out the window in October. People said give him 10 games, then 10 games came and no improvement,. Then they said give him 5 more games. 5 games came and gone and he got a few results against poor teams at home and that satisfied the naive until we get thumped again away. The same people then say judge him at Christmas.

Well, it's Christmas now. We're in limbo in the league with a minus goal difference with absolutely no sign that he can improve the way we play. I'll bet those of you who back Roy to the hilt without knowing why expected a comfortable win against Newcastle seeing that he had us playing so well, eh?

Get Rid. Get rid now before it's too late. Get Dalglish in at least until the end of the season, and if the players can't perform under him, well, at least we'll know who the devoted ones are to the shirt.

he derserves more time unless the owners are gona spend big in january then theres no point getting rid of roy until the summer.

Why does he deserve more time ?

Emerald Red wrote:The owners aren't thick. Henry came out and stated that results were "unaccptable". Now, to use a word as strong as that clearly has some weight behind it, especially coming from an American businessman. How I interpret that is "either you get a run of wins together, including away from home, or you're out!" It could also mean that he's already made his mind up. I'm not fond of having American owners, but these ones don't seem to be like the two thick d*ckheads before them. I think they've plans and ambitions for this club. Mid-table isn't one of those ambitions. To give Hodgson 50 million to spend would be an absolute disaster. It could set us back 10 years. Yeah, I do feel that strong about it.

Benny The Noon wrote:Nope i thought he deserved the chance to turn around that one poor season - in fact i think he earnt the chance with what he had done the previous season .

Benny The Noon wrote:So Rafa now didn't underachieve last season ? Well that goes against everything been spouted last season when the previous manager was crucified for under achieving and when everyone was saying we should of got into the CL as we were good enough but the manager was at fault ? Record has changed I see .

Funny isn't it.  Roy got the same deal as Rafa where he had to sell to buy and look where he's at right now.  He's blaming the team for not being good enough when he brought in 4 senior players of his choosing.  I find it hard to support the guy when he talks so much .

only me wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Nope i thought he deserved the chance to turn around that one poor season - in fact i think he earnt the chance with what he had done the previous season .

BS ,the fact he gambled our season away on an injured player ,in a season we couldn't afford spending big money was enough to terminate him. Last year he played russian roulet on the club ,unaccaptable in any level.

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:So Rafa now didn't underachieve last season ? Well that goes against everything been spouted last season when the previous manager was crucified for under achieving and when everyone was saying we should of got into the CL as we were good enough but the manager was at fault ? Record has changed I see .

Funny isn't it.  Roy got the same deal as Rafa where he had to sell to buy and look where he's at right now.  He's blaming the team for not being good enough when he brought in 4 senior players of his choosing.  I find it hard to support the guy when he talks so much .

rocky29 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

rocky29 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

rocky29 wrote:please tell me which manager in the entire world could make this current squad into a top 3 prem team. Roy never buit this squad he just inherited it.

It's funny how people were gurning about the previous manager underachieving with this squad last year. It's funny how the previous manager was outted for that very reason, that failing to get into the CL with this squad was deemed unacceptable. It's funny how he was supposedly sacked for those footballing reasons. What's even funnier is that people like yourself, and those in the media are now saying that it's a very poor squad Roy enherited.

Poor Roy. He was so overstaffed he had to let a few players that he could do with now go for nout on loan. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad of the likes he's never had in his entire 35 years worth of vast and illustrious experience. Poor Roy for enheriting a squad briming with international players, a side that had more playing in the recent World Cup than any other the world over. Clearly, these players are not good enough to string more than one or two away wins together, and top the likes of Newcastle and Blackpool, who of which are directly in our competition of current.

There's only so many times you can blame the squad before the sh*t doesn't stick. It hasn't stuck since day one. If Benitez underachieved (which he did without question) with this squad last season and got the jing for failing to get fourth spot, then the rules have been set. Hodgson had to get fourth or bust. On the evidence of how he has us playing and our form, that went out the window in October. People said give him 10 games, then 10 games came and no improvement,. Then they said give him 5 more games. 5 games came and gone and he got a few results against poor teams at home and that satisfied the naive until we get thumped again away. The same people then say judge him at Christmas.

Well, it's Christmas now. We're in limbo in the league with a minus goal difference with absolutely no sign that he can improve the way we play. I'll bet those of you who back Roy to the hilt without knowing why expected a comfortable win against Newcastle seeing that he had us playing so well, eh?

Get Rid. Get rid now before it's too late. Get Dalglish in at least until the end of the season, and if the players can't perform under him, well, at least we'll know who the devoted ones are to the shirt.

he derserves more time unless the owners are gona spend big in january then theres no point getting rid of roy until the summer.

Why does he deserve more time ?

cos its gona take longer than 6 months to sort out the mess of a squad rafa left him with its that simple.

Ben Patrick wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:The owners aren't thick. Henry came out and stated that results were "unaccptable". Now, to use a word as strong as that clearly has some weight behind it, especially coming from an American businessman. How I interpret that is "either you get a run of wins together, including away from home, or you're out!" It could also mean that he's already made his mind up. I'm not fond of having American owners, but these ones don't seem to be like the two thick d*ckheads before them. I think they've plans and ambitions for this club. Mid-table isn't one of those ambitions. To give Hodgson 50 million to spend would be an absolute disaster. It could set us back 10 years. Yeah, I do feel that strong about it.

wonder how he would waste his 50 million.
he could but Keane for 20, aquilani for 20 and Dossena for 7.

Benny The Noon wrote:

only me wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:Nope i thought he deserved the chance to turn around that one poor season - in fact i think he earnt the chance with what he had done the previous season .

BS ,the fact he gambled our season away on an injured player ,in a season we couldn't afford spending big money was enough to terminate him. Last year he played russian roulet on the club ,unaccaptable in any level.

Who should he off got then - please reel of the players he should of bought on the same sort of deal we got Aquilani .