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[Igor Zidane]

Igor, Roy wasn't even given a chance by those who felt Rafa had been given a rough deal. That, in turn, annoyed those who thought Rafa's time was up and a change was needed. Therefore, we have the current situation.

No one said Roy was their first choice, no one. However, He's not a fool and (as Bad Bob points out) the hatred for him is laughable at best and cringeworthy at worst. Especially the personal attacks on him.

It's got f.uck all to do with rafa , it's to do with the manager you appoint . Just say we appointed mourinho or hiddink or cappelo or van gaal . They would have had instant respect and been given as much time as needed ,because they have a history of success and they are proven winners . We could have appointed peter reid or sam allidyce or ron friggin atkinson and it would have been the same with hodgson . They are all journeymen who have done nothing in the game and will never do anything of note . We as fans are not stupid , we could see what was coming as soon as he was appointed . Some of us said give him a chance because that's what your supposed to say , but we didn't really believe it in our heart of hearts . Some just said no from the very off because well ,maybe there more honest and true to there beliefs . It aint nice feeling like this infact it's friggin dirty but enough is enough . It's for the best for everyone to get rid now and get someone in who ill unite us all . Kenny until the end of the season will unite us all , even you who doesn't want him appointed will get behind him if he is.

[Igor Zidane]

The man is hated for what he is doing and he's going to be pushed if he doesn't walk .

I'll never understand this, mate.  I understand hating twit and tw.at, as they consistently looked to feather their own nests at the expense of Liverpool Football Club, systematically undermining the club in the process.  That kind of thing deserves hatred.  Roy, on the other hand, is giving it his honest effort in trying to manage the club.  He's not succeeding and he does need to go--of that I am convinced--but I can't fathom how hatred enters into it with him.  Frustration?  Absolutely.  Impatience?  Understandably.  Embarassment?  Occasionally.  But hatred?  Really?  Roy's being whipped up into some mustache-twirling pantomime villain in a manner out of all proportion to his actual impact on the club.  IMHO, that's well over the top and does the storied reputation of Liverpool supporters no favours whatsoever.

Because he is making mediocrity acceptable and we can never let it happen . I will never accept us being a mid table mediocre win nothing, nobody team . We are LFC , we are not Fulham . He's a loser and he's trying to tell us that we need to accept that . F.uck off , no chance , not in a million years . He needs to stick up for the club the players and the fans and not belittle them and not blame them . He needs to grow a pair of bollox and he needs to tell that manc c.unt down the road to f.uck right off .  Finally " IT'S GOT F.UCK ALL TO DO WITH RAFA!!!"

[rocky29]

The man is hated for what he is doing and he's going to be pushed if he doesn't walk .

I'll never understand this, mate.  I understand hating twit and tw.at, as they consistently looked to feather their own nests at the expense of Liverpool Football Club, systematically undermining the club in the process.  That kind of thing deserves hatred.  Roy, on the other hand, is giving it his honest effort in trying to manage the club.  He's not succeeding and he does need to go--of that I am convinced--but I can't fathom how hatred enters into it with him.  Frustration?  Absolutely.  Impatience?  Understandably.  Embarassment?  Occasionally.  But hatred?  Really?  Roy's being whipped up into some mustache-twirling pantomime villain in a manner out of all proportion to his actual impact on the club.  IMHO, that's well over the top and does the storied reputation of Liverpool supporters no favours whatsoever.

Because he is making mediocrity acceptable and we can never let it happen . I will never accept us being a mid table mediocre win nothing, nobody team . We are LFC , we are not Fulham . He's a loser and he's trying to tell us that we need to accept that . F.uck off , no chance , not in a million years . He needs to stick up for the club the players and the fans and not belittle them and not blame them . He needs to grow a pair of bollox and he needs to tell that manc c.unt down the road to f.uck right off .  Finally " IT'S GOT F.UCK ALL TO DO WITH RAFA!!!"

but which top manager is gona come in now unless the new owners offer them a open cheque book in january. I truly believe the owners would like to wait till the summer before they change.

[7_Kewell]

Igor, Roy wasn't even given a chance by those who felt Rafa had been given a rough deal. That, in turn, annoyed those who thought Rafa's time was up and a change was needed. Therefore, we have the current situation.

No one said Roy was their first choice, no one. However, He's not a fool and (as Bad Bob points out) the hatred for him is laughable at best and cringeworthy at worst. Especially the personal attacks on him.

It's got f.uck all to do with rafa , it's to do with the manager you appoint . Just say we appointed mourinho or hiddink or cappelo or van gaal . They would have had instant respect and been given as much time as needed ,because they have a history of success and they are proven winners . We could have appointed peter reid or sam allidyce or ron friggin atkinson and it would have been the same with hodgson . They are all journeymen who have done nothing in the game and will never do anything of note . We as fans are not stupid , we could see what was coming as soon as he was appointed . Some of us said give him a chance because that's what your supposed to say , but we didn't really believe it in our heart of hearts . Some just said no from the very off because well ,maybe there more honest and true to there beliefs . It aint nice feeling like this infact it's friggin dirty but enough is enough . It's for the best for everyone to get rid now and get someone in who ill unite us all . Kenny until the end of the season will unite us all , even you who doesn't want him appointed will get behind him if he is.

you talk about the problems of hiring people who arn't good enough and then in the next sentence you want Kenny back?   

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

and if Torres got injured Roy would have then got slaughtered for playing him for a pointless 5 mins. The guy can't win.

Oh you mean like Torres has been slaughtered recently ?
and when the manager finally has the decency to admit he is out of his depth ,and resigns then in my eyes and a huge majority of fans who cant help feeling  we have been cheated out of this season ...... he will be a WINNER

[7_Kewell]

and if Torres got injured Roy would have then got slaughtered for playing him for a pointless 5 mins. The guy can't win.

Oh you mean like Torres has been slaughtered recently ?
and when the manager finally has the decency to admit he is out of his depth ,and resigns then in my eyes and a huge majority of fans who cant help feeling  we have been cheated out of this season ...... he will be a WINNER

its in everyone's best interests he stays until the end of the season. Bring Kenny back and, after a brief moment of living down memory lane, we'll be right back where we started...if not worse.

[Benny The Noon]

Hate is too strong a word - don't hate Hodgson , just don't rate him a good enough manager to be at our club .

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

its in everyone's best interests he stays until the end of the season.

Seriously ? you honestly believe it would be beneficial for us as a club,to allow this man more time to underachieve, and in turn dumb down the fans expectations even further (if that's at all possible ).............  you go the match Lad, seriously how disheartened are the fans you sit with ,can you in all honesty say that you like what your hearing from inside that once buoyant ground ...... are you just not a little bit fed up with the excuses .....you would expect a man who has been privileged with carrying on the lineage of managers who have brought success to this club by listening to the fans .... would pay heed to the moans and groans of the Kop ...the sighs of those die harder's who traipse up and down the country following the team they love .......It is with this in mind  I ask Seriously ?

[metalhead]

Hate is too strong a word - don't hate Hodgson , just don't rate him a good enough manager to be at our club .

A lot are ''hating'' him, personally

I don't rate him too.

[rocky29]

its in everyone's best interests he stays until the end of the season.

Seriously ? you honestly believe it would be beneficial for us as a club,to allow this man more time to underachieve, and in turn dumb down the fans expectations even further (if that's at all possible ).............  you go the match Lad, seriously how disheartened are the fans you sit with ,can you in all honesty say that you like what your hearing from inside that once buoyant ground ...... are you just not a little bit fed up with the excuses .....you would expect a man who has been privileged with carrying on the lineage of managers who have brought success to this club by listening to the fans .... would pay heed to the moans and groans of the Kop ...the sighs of those die harder's who traipse up and down the country following the team they love .......It is with this in mind  I ask Seriously ?

ye i do the squad we saw lastnite was a joke we have so few quality players then you got nando whos gone. A.W.O.L. since starting the season but because its nando everyone lets him off. You cannot blame roy any manager would not do any better with this squad with nando in his current mood.

[7_Kewell]

its in everyone's best interests he stays until the end of the season.

Seriously ? you honestly believe it would be beneficial for us as a club,to allow this man more time to underachieve, and in turn dumb down the fans expectations even further (if that's at all possible ).............  you go the match Lad, seriously how disheartened are the fans you sit with ,can you in all honesty say that you like what your hearing from inside that once buoyant ground ...... are you just not a little bit fed up with the excuses .....you would expect a man who has been privileged with carrying on the lineage of managers who have brought success to this club by listening to the fans .... would pay heed to the moans and groans of the Kop ...the sighs of those die harder's who traipse up and down the country following the team they love .......It is with this in mind  I ask Seriously ?

Ok, let me tell you the fear I have.

I fear…

We sack Roy and bring in KK and things get worse, much worse. Kenny soon realises it isn't 1989 and he doesn’t have Barnes, Rush, Hansen and co to pull us through the mire and we end up in a relegation battle. Half way through which Kenny walks because of the pressure. Leaving us searching for our 3rd manager in one season to save us from disaster.

You see…bringing Kenny in would be desperate and we’re NOT in a desperate situation. Keep Roy for now, see how he and the board works during the Jan transfer window and see how things progress. If we’re still mid table fodder by March then let the board spend 2-3 months finding someone new who is capable of building a championship challenging team. Either do it properly or not at all. That’s my view.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Ok, let me tell you the fear I have.

I fear…

We sack Roy and bring in KK and things get worse, much worse. Kenny soon realises it isn't 1989 and he doesn’t have Barnes, Rush, Hansen and co to pull us through the mire and we end up in a relegation battle. Half way through which Kenny walks because of the pressure. Leaving us searching for our 3rd manager in one season to save us from disaster.

You see…bringing Kenny in would be desperate and we’re NOT in a desperate situation. Keep Roy for now, see how he and the board works during the Jan transfer window and see how things progress. If we’re still mid table fodder by March then let the board spend 2-3 months finding someone new who is capable of building a championship challenging team. Either do it properly or not at all. That’s my view.

Listen those fears are unwarranted (not that I have at any time believed the owners would opt for the solution you have stated )because even if said situation arose Dalglish would never walk away from the club his devotion to the fans is too much to even consider such a drastic course of action ....besides the reasons he stepped  down were made in extreme circumstances in the aftermath of Hillsborough ....... I do however believe a new manager should be brought in before this Season is just a memory along with that of our best players
A complete shake up is what's needed ,and if that means cutting our losses and removing the manager post haste ...so be it

[jacdaniel]

The thing i dislike most about Roy is that he has made me feel like i support some mid table mediocre club.  That all stems from our tactics, what he says to the media and our position in the league.

He did very bad in the transfer market, his tactics are awful, results are bad, our league position is bad, his press conferences are cringeworthy, he can't motivate the team and he hasnt been quick to back his own players/fans in public.

He's made about every mistake possible.

[rocky29]

please tell me which manager in the entire world could make this current squad into a top 3 prem team. Roy never buit this squad he just inherited it.

[Benny The Noon]

Hiddink,Van Gaal,Rafa,Loew,Wenger,Mourinho,Ancelotti,Deschamps,Flore Torres,Pellegrini.