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maguskwt wrote:Well I just heard the news today
It seems my life is going to change
I close my eyes, begin to pray
Then tears of joy stream down my face

With arms wide open
Under the sunlight
Welcome to this place
I'll show you everything
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!

I cringed so much at that I nearly caused myself an hernia.

maguskwt wrote:Well I just heard the news today
It seems my life is going to change
I close my eyes, begin to pray
Then tears of joy stream down my face

With arms wide open
Under the sunlight
Welcome to this place
I'll show you everything
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!

maguskwt wrote:Well I just heard the news today
It seems my life is going to change
I close my eyes, begin to pray
Then tears of joy stream down my face

With arms wide open
Under the sunlight
Welcome to this place
I'll show you everything
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!

rocky29 wrote:

maguskwt wrote:Well I just heard the news today
It seems my life is going to change
I close my eyes, begin to pray
Then tears of joy stream down my face

With arms wide open
Under the sunlight
Welcome to this place
I'll show you everything
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!
With arms wide open
Welcome back Rafa!

are you an oranatang cos you  must have bl'oody wide arms to welcome rafa back?

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Do I have to keep reiterating this ?  Oh Ok then... yes a huge nod in the general direction of accepting Benitez back as manager of this once proud club ...... Now stop asking

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Do I have to keep reiterating this ?  Oh Ok then... yes a huge nod in the general direction of accepting Benitez back as manager of this once proud club ...... Now stop asking

Your point is fine I personally disagree. As much as I think we need a better manager, for me Benitez is the wrong choice.

Yes he did some wonderful things for the club but he also had some serious flaws that prevented us for progressing - bad man management, heavy rotation policy and unwise use of limited transfer money.

I would like to see a new manager with new ideas. A manager with potential but also who to a certain extent is proven. A lot like Benitez in the early years when his man/staff management flaws weren't so damaging.

Ring-of-Fire wrote:

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Do I have to keep reiterating this ?  Oh Ok then... yes a huge nod in the general direction of accepting Benitez back as manager of this once proud club ...... Now stop asking

Your point is fine I personally disagree. As much as I think we need a better manager, for me Benitez is the wrong choice.

Yes he did some wonderful things for the club but he also had some serious flaws that prevented us for progressing - bad man management, heavy rotation policy and unwise use of limited transfer money.

I would like to see a new manager with new ideas. A manager with potential but also who to a certain extent is proven. A lot like Benitez in the early years when his man/staff management flaws weren't so damaging.

I was of the understanding that Benitez was forced to accept 2nd, 3rd and 4th-choice players as the executives wouldn't let him buy the ones he wanted. (Barry, Alves, Sabrosa, Vidic, Turner and Tevez spring to mind, but there will have been more).

The fact is that a lot of the players we have now are these 2nd-or-so choices and not what he would have liked to see as the starting 11. Even with just those mentioned above, the team would look very different:

                                         Reina

     Alves        Carragher/Agger          Vidic/Turner           Aurelio


Kuyt                  Gerrard                    Barry                Sabrosa

                                     Tevez
                                           Torres


Subs:
Martin
Skrtel
Kyrgiakos
Rodriguez
Babel
Lucas
Ngog
Agger
Insua
Kelly,
etc.

We will never know which other players he wanted, but that team would certainly be higher up the table than this current one and would have cost little more than the signings forced on him when Parry, etc, didn't trust his judgement. (There would have been no Aquilani or Keane as we would have had Barry (Parry wouldn't sanction Barry as he wanted Keane, if reports are to be believed).

I'd love Rafa to have another go here with proper backing and support because I don't think he ever had it 100%.

Maybe but it's speculation.

What we know for a fact is -
* He did choose to sell Alonso in an effort to buy Barry.
* He did buy (overpay) Robbie Keane (for £20m) solely to play with Barry. Only to sell him 6 months later.

In his own words - "The plan was for Barry to play on the left and feed the ball to Robbie Keane"

* He did try to recover the situation by buying (and overpaying) for Aquilani (c£20m) only to find he was out for the vast majority of the season leaving us woefully short in the middle.

* He did sell - Crouch, Riise and Bellamy. All of whom would walk back into this side right now and improve it. In fact they would of improved the side under Benitez last season also.

That is what I mean about unwise use of transfer funds.

SouthCoastShankly wrote:* He did sell - Crouch, Riise and Bellamy. All of whom would walk back into this side right now and improve it. In fact they would of improved the side under Benitez last season also.

That is what I mean about unwise use of transfer funds.

He sold crouch, riise and bellamy, and bought in replacement Dossenna, Voronin and an inexperienced Ngog.

But no.... he never had the support and we had our best title challenge in years without support too

metalhead wrote:

SouthCoastShankly wrote:* He did sell - Crouch, Riise and Bellamy. All of whom would walk back into this side right now and improve it. In fact they would of improved the side under Benitez last season also.

That is what I mean about unwise use of transfer funds.

He sold crouch, riise and bellamy, and bought in replacement Dossenna, Voronin and an inexperienced Ngog.

But no.... he never had the support and we had our best title challenge in years without support too

Benny The Noon wrote:He sold Bellamy to enable us to bring in Torres

He sold Crouch because Crouch wanted to leave and get first team football

He sold Riise because Riise had plateued as a player .

metalhead wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:He sold Bellamy to enable us to bring in Torres

He sold Crouch because Crouch wanted to leave and get first team football

He sold Riise because Riise had plateued as a player .

I agree about Riise, but should have kept Bellamy instead of going for Voronin.

Though Riise became stale under us, his replacement was not even half the player Riise was.

Benny The Noon wrote:

metalhead wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:He sold Bellamy to enable us to bring in Torres

He sold Crouch because Crouch wanted to leave and get first team football

He sold Riise because Riise had plateued as a player .

I agree about Riise, but should have kept Bellamy instead of going for Voronin.

Though Riise became stale under us, his replacement was not even half the player Riise was.

Voronin was free and Bellamys fee was to go towards bringing in Torres

Do people not remember the shocking season bellamy had overall for us ?

Yes agree the replacement for Riise was the problem as opposed to Riise going , but he was an Italian international - just didnt work out