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by **tubby** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:40 pm

bigmick wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Penguins wrote:Those defending Roy is all about trying to justify the sacking of Rafa, simple.

When Rafa was here it was just awful to finish 7th with such a great team that finished 2nd the year before.

But now all Rafa haters try to sweep it under rug by saying the team really is poor so there is nothing Roy can do really, and finishing mid table is ok since Rafa is to blame....

Cause accepting that keeping Rafa was still the best option,since there was noone out there willing to take the job,
would just not be acceptable, right?

Who has said that exactly You do have a vivid imagination you really do.

Didn't you just say that yesterday?

No Bav, I didn't. I've never said "finishing midtable is Ok really since Rafa is to blame", no. I posted up the same post yesterday three times because some of the crew couldn't or wouldn't read it, and you obviously still didn't .

I think the words were "no one else could do any better with these players" or something to that effect. Yet less than a year ago you were adamant we had a top 4 team at the least and the only thing missing was a manager who could motivate them.

No I think we read you loud and clear mate.

by **stmichael** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:46 pm

watching the sunday supplement this morning. not a word about hodgson being under pressure. just layed into mancini and his "negative tactics.

these bloody foreign managers.

by **dawson99** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:47 pm

to be fair Hodgson hasnt spent 500 million in the last 6 months or whatever... slight difference, citehs turn, sure we'll all be happy to see Roy get blasted next weekend

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:52 pm

dawson99 wrote:to be fair Hodgson hasnt spent 500 million in the last 6 months or whatever... slight difference, citehs turn, sure we'll all be happy to see Roy get blasted next weekend

Why next weekend though? Anyway im not botherd, the media here have always acted the same. The important thing is the fans, and the fans made themselves heard loud and clear after the game yesterday and not for the first time.

The fans have JH's ear on twitter too, he has met with reps from fan groups and I imagine he will continue to maintain contact with them.

Relax, Roy isn't getting off anything, even if the papers want to turn a blind eye. :nod

by **dawson99** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:54 pm

lol..the papers arent turning a blind eye.. but our fans arent as bad as citehs.. yet. citeh got booed to feck all game. Manicini has spent more than anyone in the history of football, of course that will take the limelight.

Luckily though Joihn Henry has met someone from twitter so it'll all be sorted soon now the experts are being heard:D

by **Benny The Noon** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:56 pm

Last season it was commentated by numerous people that the squad was good enough to get us into the top 4 at least and it was the manager holding us back and the buck stopped with the manager

We lost Masher who certain people said was ok against the top teams but wasnt needed against the smaller teams and replaced him with Poulsen who people said could do the same job

We gave Aquilani away for free and brought in Mereiles for 11 million and people said that was an improvement

We gave away Insua for free and brought in Konchesky for 4 million and people said that was an improvement

We replaced the manager with someone who apparently was a better man manager and knew the prem and was seen as an improvement

So when that is taken into consideration how come all of a sudden the same people are saying squad isnt good enough

How come the results and performances are worse than last season ?

We also got the massive monkey off our back in the owners ?

So whats gone wrong then ?
Why the change ?

Why doesnt the buck no longer stop with the manager ?

by **Ciggy** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:56 pm

Thommo said in the other topic, Roys biggest problem is him being honest, is it him being honest or just doesnt know what he's talking about most of the time?

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....allenge

“I hope we don’t get beaten too heavily” … before the friendly with Al Hilal

“I hope we don’t get beaten 6-0” … before the Man City game.

* * *

Do you think, Torres is more suiteable to playing alone, or with a striking partner?

RH: “I don’t know.”

29 July 2010 – “It’s a massive step up.”

(Describing the challenge facing the squad he took to Macedonia. A squad that included Cavalieri, Soto, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani, Lucas, Jovanovic and N’Gog.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/we-don-t-need-overhaul

30 July 2010 – “I don’t think I’ve ever said the squad is in need of a major overhaul,” said the boss. “We need to add one or two players to the team.

“It is important we keep the nucleus from last season and a nucleus of players who are maybe just behind the first team.”

Contrast with:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....r-deals

9 September 2010 – “We should be very happy [with summer dealings].” “We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and, if the truth be known, we still are overstaffed.” [Could mean fringe players here. But his own signings have only added to the deadwood.]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6473926,00.html

29 October 2010 – “There are a lot of things here that the club has got to get right. We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing.”

and

[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8097807/Liverpool-manager-Roy-Hodgson-insists-Pepe-Reina-and-Fernando-Torres-will-not-be-sold.html

]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport....ld.html[/url]

29 October 2010 – “I do not want to be taking people’s leftovers. We have got those type of players ourselves. If we are going to improve, we need better.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-no-striker-regrets

10 September 2010 – “I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who’s never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club.” “We have Fernando Torres, we have good players who can play behind a lone striker.” “I will be using David Ngog and Ryan Babel in certain games to give Fernando Torres a rest and it’s up to them to prove to me that there’s no need to look further than them.” (Saying he didn’t regret not signing a striker in the summer.)

Contrast with:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb....uary-as

31 October 2010 – “A club like Liverpool shouldn’t have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players.”

“In training, I can’t have practice games where each team plays a 4-4-2 because I don’t have the front players to do that.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....hodgson

25 August 2010 – “I thought for long periods of the game it was fairly even and both teams passed the ball fairly well in the middle of the park. But the difference, as in all games, is goals.” (After Man City 3-0 loss. Simply not an accurate reflection of the game.)

* * *

Describing the Trabzonspor win as “a famous victory”.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2010....90

http://www.bloomberg.com/news....un.html

“Today was a famous victory because we hadn’t won more than once away in the whole of 2010,”

* * *

[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-claims-to-know-nothing-about-Loic-Remy-article528

957.html]http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news....57.html[/url]

16 July 2010 – “He’s a player I know very little about.” (About French international striker, Loïc Rémy.)

* * *

4 October 2010 – “There are 31 games left, but when you are in the relegation zone you are in a relegation battle.” (After Blackpool defeat.)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/languag....535.htm

“Unfortunately, when you give yourself an uphill task with a 0-2 you’ve got to expect it’s going to be very difficult in the second half against a team of Blackpool’s quality.”

Liverpool hadn’t lost a home game to a promoted side since 1999.

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-no-david-vs-goliath

16 September 2010 – “You don’t play in the Europa League to play against poor opponents.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....c-class

22 September 2010 – “They’ll be a formidable challenge – there’s no question about that.” (About Northampton Town. Who were at the time 17th in the 4th tier of English football.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-view-on-cup-defeat

23 September 2010 – “Northampton were clearly better than one would have expected from a team playing where they play.” And on 18-year-old Shelvey’s debut…. “He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-reaction-to-2-2-draw

26 September 2010 – “…in many ways it was the performance we wanted.”

“I think over the 90 minutes we were certainly more than worth the point we got.” (After dreadful Sunderland performance. A team we had dispatched 3-0 the previous year.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-reacts-to-utrecht-draw

1 October – “So it’s a good point to take back to Liverpool. Four points out of two games. It’s the first time we haven’t won one of these games but to be honest it would have been unfortunate for them if we’d won the game tonight. They would have felt hard done by. For me, a draw was a more than satisfactory result.” (After Utrecht 0-0. They’re not even in the top 100 European clubs by UEFA coefficient.)

* * *

[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-left-raging-after-an-insulting-question-from-a-journalist-about

-his-training-methods-article593189.html]http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news....89.html[/url]

2 October 2010 – “What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmsteds to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-everton-verdict-1

17 October 2010, after 2-0 defeat at Everton “This was always going to be a difficult game to win.” (It wasn’t for the previous two Reds’ managers.)

“To get a result here and win the game would have been utopia.”

“I hope that fair-minded people see the game the same way. I think it’s a bit unfortunate that after such a good game of football, everything revolves around the fact that Liverpool didn’t win it.”

“We didn’t score goals and Everton did but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and the second half was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton....7515832

21 October 2010, responding to alleged interest from Manchester United in Torres – “With Torres, I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it,” said Hodgson. “There will always be speculation.

“When a great player like Wayne Rooney is looking to leave his club, Manchester United will be a position to target a lot of players around the world.

“I don’t think Fernando Torres will be the only striker they target and I don’t think that we will be the only club that will be worried their striker can be targeted.

“I am not naive to believe that there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres.”

* * *
http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/11/hodgson-putting-the-gaffe-in-gaffer/

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:57 pm

CRYING READING THIS , ABSOLUTLY IN BULK, and some of his recent quotes havnt even been put in here ,

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....allenge

29 July 2010 – “It’s a massive step up.”

(Describing the challenge facing the squad he took to Macedonia. A squad that included Cavalieri, Soto, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani, Lucas, Jovanovic and N’Gog.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/we-don-t-need-overhaul

30 July 2010 – “I don’t think I’ve ever said the squad is in need of a major overhaul,” said the boss. “We need to add one or two players to the team.

“It is important we keep the nucleus from last season and a nucleus of players who are maybe just behind the first team.”

Contrast with:

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....r-deals

9 September 2010 – “We should be very happy [with summer dealings].” “We were unbelievably overstaffed when I came to the club and, if the truth be known, we still are overstaffed.” [Could mean fringe players here. But his own signings have only added to the deadwood.]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6473926,00.html

29 October 2010 – “There are a lot of things here that the club has got to get right. We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing.”

and

[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8097807/Liverpool-manager-Roy-Hodgson-insists-Pepe-Reina-and-Fernando-Torres-will-not-be-sold.html
]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport....ld.html[/url]

29 October 2010 – “I do not want to be taking people’s leftovers. We have got those type of players ourselves. If we are going to improve, we need better.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/hodgson-no-striker-regrets

10 September 2010 – “I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who’s never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club.” “We have Fernando Torres, we have good players who can play behind a lone striker.” “I will be using David Ngog and Ryan Babel in certain games to give Fernando Torres a rest and it’s up to them to prove to me that there’s no need to look further than them.” (Saying he didn’t regret not signing a striker in the summer.)

Contrast with:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb....uary-as

31 October 2010 – “A club like Liverpool shouldn’t have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players.”

“In training, I can’t have practice games where each team plays a 4-4-2 because I don’t have the front players to do that.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....hodgson

25 August 2010 – “I thought for long periods of the game it was fairly even and both teams passed the ball fairly well in the middle of the park. But the difference, as in all games, is goals.” (After Man City 3-0 loss. Simply not an accurate reflection of the game.)

* * *

Describing the Trabzonspor win as “a famous victory”.

http://www.insidefutbol.com/2010....90

http://www.bloomberg.com/news....un.html

“Today was a famous victory because we hadn’t won more than once away in the whole of 2010,”

* * *

[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-claims-to-know-nothing-about-Loic-Remy-article528
957.html]http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news....57.html[/url]

16 July 2010 – “He’s a player I know very little about.” (About French international striker, Loïc Rémy.)

* * *

4 October 2010 – “There are 31 games left, but when you are in the relegation zone you are in a relegation battle.” (After Blackpool defeat.)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/languag....535.htm

“Unfortunately, when you give yourself an uphill task with a 0-2 you’ve got to expect it’s going to be very difficult in the second half against a team of Blackpool’s quality.”

Liverpool hadn’t lost a home game to a promoted side since 1999.

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-no-david-vs-goliath

16 September 2010 – “You don’t play in the Europa League to play against poor opponents.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news....c-class

22 September 2010 – “They’ll be a formidable challenge – there’s no question about that.” (About Northampton Town. Who were at the time 17th in the 4th tier of English football.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-view-on-cup-defeat

23 September 2010 – “Northampton were clearly better than one would have expected from a team playing where they play.” And on 18-year-old Shelvey’s debut…. “He did well but the fact is he came on in extra-time and people were tiring.”

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-reaction-to-2-2-draw

26 September 2010 – “…in many ways it was the performance we wanted.”

“I think over the 90 minutes we were certainly more than worth the point we got.” (After dreadful Sunderland performance. A team we had dispatched 3-0 the previous year.)

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-reacts-to-utrecht-draw

1 October – “So it’s a good point to take back to Liverpool. Four points out of two games. It’s the first time we haven’t won one of these games but to be honest it would have been unfortunate for them if we’d won the game tonight. They would have felt hard done by. For me, a draw was a more than satisfactory result.” (After Utrecht 0-0. They’re not even in the top 100 European clubs by UEFA coefficient.)

* * *

[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-boss-Roy-Hodgson-left-raging-after-an-insulting-question-from-a-journalist-about
-his-training-methods-article593189.html]http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news....89.html[/url]

2 October 2010 – “What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmsteds to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/roy-s-everton-verdict-1

17 October 2010, after 2-0 defeat at Everton “This was always going to be a difficult game to win.” (It wasn’t for the previous two Reds’ managers.)

“To get a result here and win the game would have been utopia.”

“I hope that fair-minded people see the game the same way. I think it’s a bit unfortunate that after such a good game of football, everything revolves around the fact that Liverpool didn’t win it.”

“We didn’t score goals and Everton did but I refuse to accept that we were in any way outplayed or any way inferior. I watched the performance and the second half was as good as I saw a Liverpool team play under my management that is for sure.”

* * *

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/everton....7515832

21 October 2010, responding to alleged interest from Manchester United in Torres – “With Torres, I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it,” said Hodgson. “There will always be speculation.

“When a great player like Wayne Rooney is looking to leave his club, Manchester United will be a position to target a lot of players around the world.

“I don’t think Fernando Torres will be the only striker they target and I don’t think that we will be the only club that will be worried their striker can be targeted.

“I am not naive to believe that there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres.”

* * *

“I hope we don’t get beaten too heavily” … before the friendly with Al Hilal

“I hope we don’t get beaten 6-0” … before the Man City game.

* * *

Do you think, Torres is more suiteable to playing alone, or with a striking partner?

RH: “I don’t know.”

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/11/hodgson-putting-the-gaffe-in-gaffer/

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:57 pm

dawson99 wrote:lol..the papers arent turning a blind eye.. but our fans arent as bad as citehs.. yet. citeh got booed to feck all game. Manicini has spent more than anyone in the history of football, of course that will take the limelight.

Luckily though Joihn Henry has met someone from twitter so it'll all be sorted soon now the experts are being heard:D

Give me a break, the papers are so quiet when it comes to giving :censored:

to a British manager. Look at that Henry Winter, the guy needs a slap an all. The only time they do that is if said manager happens to be managing England. :laugh:

The clock is ticking.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:58 pm

lakes10 wrote:come on mate, we have no bench, one good striker. and thats about it, look at the set up of the club, the younger kids, they are very poor, we have started to get rid of them but a lot are still here.

we dont even have the full 25 home grown players that we are meant to, yes that was due to the last manager but thats over with now, we must face the trurh that the club needs so much work done on it and its going to take time.

Squad list can only contain 25 players over the age of 21. Eight of that 25 must homegrown, but need not be over 21.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:03 pm

PMSL Nan me and you must be gave been reading that at the same time

by **dawson99** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:04 pm

anything bad about the manager and you too are like dogs on heat

edit: im not calling you dogs!!!!

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:05 pm

God those quotes made me cringe, literally. Is that any way for the manager of Liverpool football club to speak? It's almost as if he hasn't woken up and realized what club he is actually managing. And JH want's to give him 35mil to spend?

by **dawson99** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:07 pm

oh and bavs never far behind, well behaved lad that he is lol

im pretty sure we could do the same for any manager in the history of football, not all in the 1st 5 months tho lol

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:08 pm

dawson99 wrote:oh and bavs never far behind, well behaved lad that he is lol

im pretty sure we could do the same for any manager in the history of football, not all in the 1st 5 months tho lol

Were they or were they not cringe worthy quotes mate? Come on you can't deny that.

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