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Postby glenbuck patriot » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:09 pm

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Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

Best Post in the entire thread!

I too would like to understand why people still think he is good enough for the job, that he should be given time.

His tactic's are incipid bordering on defeatest, the inevitibility of playing us at the moment must leave opposition Managers salavating at the thought.

Don't just traipse out the old diatribe that  "It's the Liverpool Way" or he's our Manager, We're all too painfully aware of that, back up the argument, because for the life of me i can't see one positive in him staying any longer!

I would like to clear something up from a personal perspective. I have not and would not defend anyone who is not doing a good job. It is totally significant that we have played well against Arsenal, United and chelsea and it gives the more enlightened of us the proof that the players are choosing which games to shine in and those they dont. We have been basically bullied by all the "lesser" teams and we have paid the price for our lack of bottle.
The manager part in all of this is of course significant. But I will stand by my absolute belief that the manager of my club, LFC, should have been respected and given a fair crack of the whip, regardless of who he is or how he got here. That is my character, the way Ive been brought up and how I live as a supporter of Liverpool Football Club. I make no apologies because I believe thats what makes us what we are.
Or were, as the case may be.

Got no issue's with any of that Mate glad to hear your enlightened, do us a favour and pick me 6 numbers for next week's lottery willya :D
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:11 pm

Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

i normally dont see eye to eye with you, but this is a good post. the issue is that those defending Roy do agree we need a new manager, its just that the manner in which some posters are crucifying him is disgraceful.
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:12 pm

Ciggy wrote:81 away games, 13 wins in his career in English football.

1997/98 – Blackburn Rovers - 5 Away wins – Finished 6th
1998/99 – Blackburn Rovers – 0 Away wins – Sacked when 20th.
2007/08 – Fulham – 3 Away wins – Finished 17th
2008/09 – Fulham – 3 Away wins – Finished 7th
2009/10 – Fulham – 1 Away win – Finished 12th
2010/11 – Liverpool – 1 Away win – Currently 9th

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we all know the stata Cig, but we dont know what the clubs have asked him to do, must have been in danger of going down and his job might have been just to keep them safe.

just hope something changes soon but i fear if he is given the money to spend in the next window what sort of players he might by...all holding players?
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Postby Thommo's perm » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:27 pm

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Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

Best Post in the entire thread!

I too would like to understand why people still think he is good enough for the job, that he should be given time.

His tactic's are incipid bordering on defeatest, the inevitibility of playing us at the moment must leave opposition Managers salavating at the thought.

Don't just traipse out the old diatribe that  "It's the Liverpool Way" or he's our Manager, We're all too painfully aware of that, back up the argument, because for the life of me i can't see one positive in him staying any longer!

I would like to clear something up from a personal perspective. I have not and would not defend anyone who is not doing a good job. It is totally significant that we have played well against Arsenal, United and chelsea and it gives the more enlightened of us the proof that the players are choosing which games to shine in and those they dont. We have been basically bullied by all the "lesser" teams and we have paid the price for our lack of bottle.
The manager part in all of this is of course significant. But I will stand by my absolute belief that the manager of my club, LFC, should have been respected and given a fair crack of the whip, regardless of who he is or how he got here. That is my character, the way Ive been brought up and how I live as a supporter of Liverpool Football Club. I make no apologies because I believe thats what makes us what we are.
Or were, as the case may be.

Got no issue's with any of that Mate glad to hear your enlightened, do us a favour and pick me 6 numbers for next week's lottery willya :D

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Postby Penguins » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:33 pm

Those defending Roy is all about trying to justify the sacking of Rafa, simple.


When Rafa was here it was just awful to finish 7th with such a great team that finished 2nd the year before.

But now all Rafa haters try to sweep it under rug by saying the team really is poor so there is nothing Roy can do really, and finishing mid table is ok since Rafa is to blame....

Cause accepting that keeping Rafa was still the best option,since there was noone out there willing to take the job,
would just not be acceptable, right?
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Postby Thommo's perm » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:47 pm

Penguins wrote:Those defending Roy is all about trying to justify the sacking of Rafa, simple.


When Rafa was here it was just awful to finish 7th with such a great team that finished 2nd the year before.

But now all Rafa haters try to sweep it under rug by saying the team really is poor so there is nothing Roy can do really, and finishing mid table is ok since Rafa is to blame....

Cause accepting that keeping Rafa was still the best option,since there was noone out there willing to take the job,
would just not be acceptable, right?

We could have been relegated if Benitez stayed.
Thank fu'ck the season finished in may...
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Postby boodiddy1 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:06 pm

Bloody hell i mention Coyle and there are loads on it!

This idea of a big manager coming in? why? These type of managers stay for a short period and cost the club millions when they leave. I dont think a big name can get this team going any different than Coyle could with Kenny helping him out like Paisley did for him. 

We have to start the project again. its a horrible thing for Stevie and fernando, but i dont think these guys will be here when we are ready for a real challenge again. The club was rotten to the core not long ago.There are a few shoots of green showing but its going to be time before we are cohesive.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:09 pm

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Reg wrote:Is he still here?

What concerns me is what we NEED now is a strong Capello style of character to get the squad focused and give 100%, the maturity to convice the club an supporters that we can compete and the status to attract the right players come a very important january transfer window.

The reality is if Roy stays we must lumber on in agony but even if the new owners boot him out, their prefered style is to bring in a young, upandcoming replacement who likes statistics with no known success record as yet to replace him.

So the encumbent is wrong and I fear the owners replacement policy is wrong as well. This is not the time for Owen Coyle to walk into our changing room and convert water into wine. Its difficult to see a way forward as if we go with the owners, such a manager would ned 3 seasons to find his way.

I must digress  Reg I think Owen Coyle is an ambitious manager who will use Bolton as a stepping stone in his career as he done Burnley .... Bolton as they are now are playing some pretty impressive attacking football when the occasion demands it ,but they can also mix it up when they need to and can be aggressive and hard to beat ...Coyle would be my ideal choice to come in as manager ...he knows the Premiership now, and is another hard nosed Jock who will make the dressing room and training ground his own .... plus I can see this Guy usurping Taggart at the Mancs........  unless we snap him up

Di Matteo is another up and coming manager, although maybe too young to take on a big side.

But on Coyle would the players respect his presence? I think that's half the problem now.

I actualy think Owen Coyle is a good manager , who will one day end up a top top manager, i like Roberto Di Matteo an all Bav, another one who imo is going in the right direction with the way he sets his team out, And ill be honest id have no problem with either of them,
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Postby tubby » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:10 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:Bloody hell i mention Coyle and there are loads on it!

This idea of a big manager coming in? why? These type of managers stay for a short period and cost the club millions when they leave. I dont think a big name can get this team going any different than Coyle could with Kenny helping him out like Paisley did for him. 

We have to start the project again. its a horrible thing for Stevie and fernando, but i dont think these guys will be here when we are ready for a real challenge again. The club was rotten to the core not long ago.There are a few shoots of green showing but its going to be time before we are cohesive.

The thing is has Coyle ever managed a big side? Im not saying he isn't good enough as tbh I don't know enough about him other than seeing him at Burnley and Bolton but I think sometimes some managers just perform better with a lesser side at their disposal.

Classic example - Allerdyce from Bolton/Newcastle. Now he has back at a midtable side he is alright.

Or dare I say our own manager?  I'm all for giving the job to an up and coming manager but if we go down that route I fear there is a bigger chance of using being back to square one in a years time if it didn't work out, even more so than if we went with a big name manager. I want our next manager to be here for 5 years or so, no more short term steady the ship nonsense.
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Postby Penguins » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:15 pm

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Penguins wrote:Those defending Roy is all about trying to justify the sacking of Rafa, simple.


When Rafa was here it was just awful to finish 7th with such a great team that finished 2nd the year before.

But now all Rafa haters try to sweep it under rug by saying the team really is poor so there is nothing Roy can do really, and finishing mid table is ok since Rafa is to blame....

Cause accepting that keeping Rafa was still the best option,since there was noone out there willing to take the job,
would just not be acceptable, right?

We could have been relegated if Benitez stayed.
Thank fu'ck the season finished in may...

Sorry, I deal in reality and not in what ifs.

Fact: We ended 7th last season with Rafa.

Fact: we are further down the table and playing even worse under Roy this season.
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Postby bigmick » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:16 pm

Penguins wrote:Those defending Roy is all about trying to justify the sacking of Rafa, simple.


When Rafa was here it was just awful to finish 7th with such a great team that finished 2nd the year before.

But now all Rafa haters try to sweep it under rug by saying the team really is poor so there is nothing Roy can do really, and finishing mid table is ok since Rafa is to blame....

Cause accepting that keeping Rafa was still the best option,since there was noone out there willing to take the job,
would just not be acceptable, right?

Who has said that exactly  ??? You do have a vivid imagination you really do.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:18 pm

Quote"Coyle could with Kenny helping him out like Paisley did for him."

  Rushie back in an all .Id have that you know, Adsvisors of the highest caliber . who love this club like we do
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:23 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Quote"Coyle could with Kenny helping him out like Paisley did for him."

  Rushie back in an all .Id have that you know, Adsvisors of the highest caliber . who love this club like we do

yeah, in the future maybe, but right now we need stability, unity with fans and all that, and we need it now.. abig manager to staedy the ship
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Postby tubby » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:23 pm

bigmick wrote:
Penguins wrote:Those defending Roy is all about trying to justify the sacking of Rafa, simple.


When Rafa was here it was just awful to finish 7th with such a great team that finished 2nd the year before.

But now all Rafa haters try to sweep it under rug by saying the team really is poor so there is nothing Roy can do really, and finishing mid table is ok since Rafa is to blame....

Cause accepting that keeping Rafa was still the best option,since there was noone out there willing to take the job,
would just not be acceptable, right?

Who has said that exactly  ??? You do have a vivid imagination you really do.

Didn't you just say that yesterday?
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Postby bigmick » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:27 pm

bavlondon wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Penguins wrote:Those defending Roy is all about trying to justify the sacking of Rafa, simple.


When Rafa was here it was just awful to finish 7th with such a great team that finished 2nd the year before.

But now all Rafa haters try to sweep it under rug by saying the team really is poor so there is nothing Roy can do really, and finishing mid table is ok since Rafa is to blame....

Cause accepting that keeping Rafa was still the best option,since there was noone out there willing to take the job,
would just not be acceptable, right?

Who has said that exactly  ??? You do have a vivid imagination you really do.

Didn't you just say that yesterday?

No Bav, I didn't. I've never said "finishing midtable is Ok really since Rafa is to blame", no. I posted up the same post yesterday three times because some of the crew couldn't or wouldn't read it, and you obviously still didn't :D.
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