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RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:

Reg wrote:Is he still here?

What concerns me is what we NEED now is a strong Capello style of character to get the squad focused and give 100%, the maturity to convice the club an supporters that we can compete and the status to attract the right players come a very important january transfer window.

The reality is if Roy stays we must lumber on in agony but even if the new owners boot him out, their prefered style is to bring in a young, upandcoming replacement who likes statistics with no known success record as yet to replace him.

So the encumbent is wrong and I fear the owners replacement policy is wrong as well. This is not the time for Owen Coyle to walk into our changing room and convert water into wine. Its difficult to see a way forward as if we go with the owners, such a manager would ned 3 seasons to find his way.

I must digress  Reg I think Owen Coyle is an ambitious manager who will use Bolton as a stepping stone in his career as he done Burnley .... Bolton as they are now are playing some pretty impressive attacking football when the occasion demands it ,but they can also mix it up when they need to and can be aggressive and hard to beat ...Coyle would be my ideal choice to come in as manager ...he knows the Premiership now, and is another hard nosed Jock who will make the dressing room and training ground his own .... plus I can see this Guy usurping Taggart at the Mancs........  unless we snap him up

Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

glenbuck patriot wrote:

Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

Best Post in the entire thread!

I too would like to understand why people still think he is good enough for the job, that he should be given time.

His tactic's are incipid bordering on defeatest, the inevitibility of playing us at the moment must leave opposition Managers salavating at the thought.

Don't just traipse out the old diatribe that  "It's the Liverpool Way" or he's our Manager, We're all too painfully aware of that, back up the argument, because for the life of me i can't see one positive in him staying any longer!

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:

Reg wrote:Is he still here?

What concerns me is what we NEED now is a strong Capello style of character to get the squad focused and give 100%, the maturity to convice the club an supporters that we can compete and the status to attract the right players come a very important january transfer window.

The reality is if Roy stays we must lumber on in agony but even if the new owners boot him out, their prefered style is to bring in a young, upandcoming replacement who likes statistics with no known success record as yet to replace him.

So the encumbent is wrong and I fear the owners replacement policy is wrong as well. This is not the time for Owen Coyle to walk into our changing room and convert water into wine. Its difficult to see a way forward as if we go with the owners, such a manager would ned 3 seasons to find his way.

I must digress  Reg I think Owen Coyle is an ambitious manager who will use Bolton as a stepping stone in his career as he done Burnley .... Bolton as they are now are playing some pretty impressive attacking football when the occasion demands it ,but they can also mix it up when they need to and can be aggressive and hard to beat ...Coyle would be my ideal choice to come in as manager ...he knows the Premiership now, and is another hard nosed Jock who will make the dressing room and training ground his own .... plus I can see this Guy usurping Taggart at the Mancs........  unless we snap him up

lakes10 wrote:

glenbuck patriot wrote:

Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

Best Post in the entire thread!

I too would like to understand why people still think he is good enough for the job, that he should be given time.

His tactic's are incipid bordering on defeatest, the inevitibility of playing us at the moment must leave opposition Managers salavating at the thought.

Don't just traipse out the old diatribe that  "It's the Liverpool Way" or he's our Manager, We're all too painfully aware of that, back up the argument, because for the life of me i can't see one positive in him staying any longer!

I think some feel that Roy is stuck with a poor team that he did not build and that the whole club needs to change in the way it is set up and its not all down to Roy why we are getting the results we are getting.


yes and i do feel they have a good point in that the club as a whole is filled with under par players and we can not even put out a strong bench.
that is not down to Roy.

but he tends to set the team out in a neg way, i dont feel he is to blame for the very poor passing that has taken place in the last two games, i dont think i have ever seen a liverpool team do passing like that, it was shocking

Number 9 wrote:

dawson99 wrote:Lakes, you got a camp all of your own, you're special

And he goes to it on a yellow bus!

glenbuck patriot wrote:

Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

Best Post in the entire thread!

I too would like to understand why people still think he is good enough for the job, that he should be given time.

His tactic's are incipid bordering on defeatest, the inevitibility of playing us at the moment must leave opposition Managers salavating at the thought.

Don't just traipse out the old diatribe that  "It's the Liverpool Way" or he's our Manager, We're all too painfully aware of that, back up the argument, because for the life of me i can't see one positive in him staying any longer!

Red-er-Dare wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

glenbuck patriot wrote:

Number 9 wrote:I can't for the life of me why people are still defending Roy....really I'm perplexed!The old..."he deserves our support he's the LFC manager" thing is really commendable.

I fully support him while he is here in the way I want him to win every game,but that's because I love LFC not because I think he is the man for the job.You can support the manger but you can also be realistic and say he is not good enough,cause he is not.
We have played well in 3 games under Roy..Arsenal,UTD and Chelsea...now it does not take a genius to understand that these 3 games are self motivators for players,the managers job here is easy...pick 11 players and occasion delivers the passion....no big team talk or tactical genius required!

In the rest of our games we have been terrible,it's not an exaggeration to say we are playing terrible football(probably amongst the worst in the league)....it's hard to watch!

The club is just too big for the man,he is way out of his depth and under pressure!FFS every time they put the camera on him and ask a few questions he is like a rabbit caught in headlights,he falls apart and says something daft!

I would like to hear why people think he is up to the job.....what he has done so far to earn more time...what they can see that I can't!
Cause simply put,the fact that he is our manager is not enough.

HE could be dangerous for our future.Look at it this way NESV could hand him say £80million at the end of the season..we could finish in the bottom half near the bottom 3 maybe...what quality player would say....."oh I want to go and help Roy with the LFC revival" when UTD,City,Chelsea,Spurs etc are waving money at them too......I can't think of many!

Also the old Rafa left him a sh'it squad excuse does not wash either....OK granted it was not as good as UTD,City etc but he has better players available than most teams in the League....certainly a squad that should be doing better than having Played 13,won 4,drew,lost 5!!

He has to go ASAP...he is getting NOTHING from the players!!

Best Post in the entire thread!

I too would like to understand why people still think he is good enough for the job, that he should be given time.

His tactic's are incipid bordering on defeatest, the inevitibility of playing us at the moment must leave opposition Managers salavating at the thought.

Don't just traipse out the old diatribe that  "It's the Liverpool Way" or he's our Manager, We're all too painfully aware of that, back up the argument, because for the life of me i can't see one positive in him staying any longer!

I think some feel that Roy is stuck with a poor team that he did not build and that the whole club needs to change in the way it is set up and its not all down to Roy why we are getting the results we are getting.


yes and i do feel they have a good point in that the club as a whole is filled with under par players and we can not even put out a strong bench.
that is not down to Roy.

but he tends to set the team out in a neg way, i dont feel he is to blame for the very poor passing that has taken place in the last two games, i dont think i have ever seen a liverpool team do passing like that, it was shocking

Our team are not as bad as 17th/18th or even 9th though and I'm not buying into 'he's inherited a poor squad' as the focal excuse of our plight. Sure, we do have a few average Joe's in the squad but when you couple that with the tactics he's employed it honestly makes us look a lot worse than we really are.

bigmick wrote:I must digress  Reg I think Owen Coyle is an ambitious manager who will use Bolton as a stepping stone in his career as he done Burnley .... Bolton as they are now are playing some pretty impressive attacking football when the occasion demands it ,but they can also mix it up when they need to and can be aggressive and hard to beat ...Coyle would be my ideal choice to come in as manager ...he knows the Premiership now, and is another hard nosed Jock who will make the dressing room and training ground his own .... plus I can see this Guy usurping Taggart at the Mancs........  unless we snap him up

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:

bigmick wrote:I must digress  Reg I think Owen Coyle is an ambitious manager who will use Bolton as a stepping stone in his career as he done Burnley .... Bolton as they are now are playing some pretty impressive attacking football when the occasion demands it ,but they can also mix it up when they need to and can be aggressive and hard to beat ...Coyle would be my ideal choice to come in as manager ...he knows the Premiership now, and is another hard nosed Jock who will make the dressing room and training ground his own .... plus I can see this Guy usurping Taggart at the Mancs........  unless we snap him up

I like Owen Coyle too, although much of the criticism people aimed at the current manager before he started would be aimed in his direction also (lack of European experience, small-time manager, never won anything, not fit for the club etc etc). Not forgetting of course the chief crime which oyle shares with Roy Hodgson, his name isn't Rafael Benitez.

I like him though, he'd do a decent job I've no doubt about it. To get us out of the 4th-8th bracket which I feel sure we are in right now however, is going to need patience from the fans, a fair amount of money and a LOT of managerial skill. Even Mourinho would struggle IMHO to get this current squad of players (and before anyone says it it ISN'T a patch on one that came second a few seasons back) into the top 3..

As far as the ownership is concerned, not only are they going to have to find significant money for new players, but they are going to have to be prepared to take significant financial hits on the deadwood as we ship them out/let their contracts run out.

Whoever we do appoint next, I desperately hope that the fans get behind him 100%. If he doesn't do significantly better in the transfer market and show much more motivational and tactical prowess than his predecessors, the club is doomed to perpetual mediocrity.