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by **Kharhaz** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:30 am

Simari wrote:There is no point blaming anyone past or present, Roy is a good manager for most EPL sides - we just need someone who has won at the highest club level consistently.

For me, we need a major overhaul. From coaches, to players, to management. We need to get it right across the board. I have said a few times, our backroom staff need replacing. When it comes to matchday, the players, attacking wise dont seem to have a clue, and the goals we have been conceding, our defence coaches are fairing no better either. We need to get rid of a lot of deadwood at this club before we can progress.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:33 am

Simari wrote:Rafa isn't here because, despite all of the success and added revenue from the CL, he couldn't get us #19, despite going very close.

Rafa isnt here simply because he ran out of ideas. Last season we went stale, and Rafa himself could not change that.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:40 am

Kharhaz wrote:
LiverpoolMadman wrote:He played so well under Rafa, he also played well for Spain

No and no.

His first season he did. Since then he has been constantly injured. Also, during the world cup, he had a stinker, and Rafa was still here at Liverpool.

Your arguments fall flat im afraid. If you blame Roy for the attitudes of the players then you absolutely have to look at Rafa also. Ignorance is not allowed.

Yes he injured that why he's struggle ( during that time ) ... but now he's struggle not because of his injured ... because of struggle to adapt Roy's style of football ... I'm worry that because of struggle to adapt Roy's style of football, he might get injured again ... and he's NOT the only one that struggle ....

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:49 am

LiverpoolMadman wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
LiverpoolMadman wrote:He played so well under Rafa, he also played well for Spain

No and no.

His first season he did. Since then he has been constantly injured. Also, during the world cup, he had a stinker, and Rafa was still here at Liverpool.

Your arguments fall flat im afraid. If you blame Roy for the attitudes of the players then you absolutely have to look at Rafa also. Ignorance is not allowed.

Yes he injured that why he's struggle ( during that time ) ... but now he's struggle not because of his injured ... because of struggle to adapt Roy's style of football ... I'm worry that because of struggle to adapt Roy's style of football, he might get injured again ... and he's NOT the only one that struggle ....

But its more or less the same as Rafas. He is being used as a single striker.

And in all fairness to Roy, he has adopted a 4-4-2 as a back up if things are not working attacking wise. So again, no, I dont accept that. Under Roy, he is given a partner. That never happened under Rafa.

I think the problem with Torres is, he is disillusioned with the english game. He is too physically dealt with, not protected by the referee, and just gives up. I have said this before, if he leaves Liverpool, it wont be for another english club. To me he just looks fed up when things dont go his way, and its happening more and more with each game he plays.

by **maguskwt** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:04 am

Kharhaz wrote:But its more or less the same as Rafas. He is being used as a single striker.

And in all fairness to Roy, he has adopted a 4-4-2 as a back up if things are not working attacking wise. So again, no, I dont accept that. Under Roy, he is given a partner. That never happened under Rafa.

I think the problem with Torres is, he is disillusioned with the english game. He is too physically dealt with, not protected by the referee, and just gives up. I have said this before, if he leaves Liverpool, it wont be for another english club. To me he just looks fed up when things dont go his way, and its happening more and more with each game he plays.

But its more or less the same as Rafas. He is being used as a single striker.

Not as simplistic as that... Rafa's formation and football philosophy go hand in hand, it's a complete system. Roy's version is a screwed up version of Rafa's 4-5-1 which does not have enough support for Torres.

To me he just looks fed up when things dont go his way, and its happening more and more with each game he plays.

If he is fed up with the english game, he would have left in the summer. No reason for him to stay when he already knows what the english game is about. I think he's more fed up with Roy's tactics and the lack of support more than anything. With that said, I thought his workrate and ivolvement has improved int he last two games, against Blackburn and Bolton. It is Gerrard that I'm worried about.

by **dawson99** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:26 am

I think blaming Roy for Torres poor film is just lazy. We saw yesterday how time and time again he just lost the ball in dangerous places, almost costing us the game. I don't know whats up with Torres. Maybe its form, mabye its injury, but yesterday we were playnig a lot higher up the park and the support was there. He set up the goal, but he needs his confidence back

by **dawson99** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:31 am

supersub wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Oh an before i go off and light a candle at the shrine of Rafa ,whats with the posts calling for the mods overlooking certain people , soryy but thats like another player asking the ref to give someone a yellow. Unsportsman like there, If they wanna give me acard they know my name

me think you do protest too much, im not talking about you... the mods tho, last season were banning and cardnig left right and centre, rightly so, for having a go at the manager.. this seasno.. nothing.

It doesnthelp that only woof and bob are ever here. Sub and st mike here a bit, but it needs saying nan.

its not grassing, its asking for equal footing.

I thought you had gone till xmas

I'm always watching Daws...............just because you can't see me doesn't mean I'm not there...

what can I say, I missed you

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:48 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:My two penneth . I don't and have never liked the slagging of the manager ,be it at the match or an internet forum ,well it's so newcastle utd don't yer think . I don't and havent jump on roy's quotes in the press . The fu.ckin press ffs , behave yourselves. I was and still am one of the biggest pro rafa supporters on here (i'd have him back tomorrow) but i'm an LFC supporter first and formost and guess what , i back the manager and the team at the game . For 3 f.uckin years i've been fighting for my club along side some of the people i'm having a go at in this post . Why the feck are you whipping yourself up into a frenzy over some alledged quotes ffs ? When did you start believing the feckin press ? Why and how did you become so disrespectul to a manager of Liverpool ? Loads of you are old enough to know how it works , you show your discontent with silence ffs or by not going the game or in the ale'ouse. Remember the attendences under souness and under houllier near the end . THE HOLY TRINITY FFS anyone remember that one . I want him gone and i want him gone now , but will i feck lower myself to disrespect the man or his position as manager .

Newcastle fan on sky the other year . Alladyce doesnt pay for my tickets i do , so i can boo him all i want , it's my right .

Now take a look at what has been said on here and tell me your any different . I'm gutted at our fans behavour over this i seriously am . I decided to not go the games after the Arsenal game this year , and youse lot have made me feel so much better about my decision . Your being driven by the media nad the rumour mungers just as much as the rafa out crowd were ,so your know different . NO CLASS ,NO DIGNITY , NO SUPPORTERS . Think on !!!

Ynwa

The press fucking love him to bits Lad (English manager don't you know )..so I wouldnt exactly say anyone was siding with them ,so your argument falls down there a touch .... the man is food and drink for the Fleet Street hacks ,,,and its not just what we read its the fucking interviews he conducts ie the videos .... if its at all possible could he refrain from dragging the name of our club through the mud ,you know just stick to winning games and then maybe we wouldn't need the influx of posters telling us how to behave .....
I have supported this team man and boy through thick and thin and I will continue to do so ,but never have I seen a manager albeit from Souness who was less worthy of our respect ..... and his actions and ridiculous barbs certainly go a long way towards proving my feelings to be bang on the money ........... sorry Igor Lad I respect your opinion but your wide of the mark this time mate

I agree with what you are saying red ,but there's way's and means of voiceing our displeasure without resorting to personal insults . If you say Roy is the wrong man for the job and the board should ask him to resign tomorrow, i'd be with you 100% mate . If you say sack the owl faced auld c.unt (which i've seen and heard from supporters ) i'd say ,show abit of respect for his position and show some class ffs. We are not newcastle or man f,uckin city .We are LFC and we are a breed apart.

Like i've said before ,there's only one man who's brought the position of LFC manager into serious disrepute and he deserves all the bile you can muster , not Roy Hodgson though , not for a few stupid sounbites ffs.

by **laza** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:12 am

Igor Zidane wrote:If you say Roy is the wrong man for the job and the board should ask him to resign tomorrow, i'd be with you 100% mate . If you say sack the owl faced auld c.unt (which i've seen and heard from supporters ) i'd say ,show abit of respect for his position and show some class ffs. We are not newcastle or man f,uckin city .We are LFC and we are a breed apart.

Well bloody said

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:21 am

It was great to get a win yesterday, although we didn't really deserve it.
We didn't play well enough and were quite lucky Davies didnt punish us towards the end.

Roy could of did without the dig at Rafa also. He said to judge him after 10 games and its that time now. So is 12 points good enough at this stage? Well, its 40% and he's just about scraped a pass.

But i think he deserves another game or two just to see if we have turned a corner.

by **dawson99** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:23 am

the league is different this year lets not forget. We're 3 points off 5th, 5 points off a top 4... yeah we have been sh!te this season, and we'd all prefer to be playing the awesome football we can, but hopefully that will still come, at a time when it will be pretty sueful

by **Ciggy** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:40 am

I cant believe Im getting accused of going into hiding because we won two games I was on holiday ffs am I not aloud to do that

This forum and Liverpool where a million miles away from my mind and I was glad that Roy didnt enter my mind or the Roy lovers.

by **ste123lfc** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:54 am

Two wins does not change my view of Roy, nice bloke, but in my opinion not upto the job. The football we are playing is very negative and to be on a minus goal difference is unheard of after this many games. I'm in agreement with some of the other posts also, we need new backroom staff, Sammy Lee is past his sell buy date and should not of been re-appointed when he was. New manager and new number 2 required before we see anything like the liverpool we all know and love.

by **Ben Patrick** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:51 am

Ciggy wrote:I cant believe Im getting accused of going into hiding because we won two games I was on holiday ffs am I not aloud to do that

This forum and Liverpool where a million miles away from my mind and I was glad that Roy didnt enter my mind or the Roy lovers.

I dont think there are any Roy lovers.

Just people that dont like seeing someone being insulted.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Nov 01, 2010 11:34 am

Kharhaz wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:The man is food and drink for the Fleet Street hacks ,,,and its not just what we read its the interviews he conducts ie the videos

The difference is, and it is a key difference, is how it is reacted on. Rafa Benitez gave more than his fair share of dubious responses, and yet nothing is mentioned of them, or when they are brought up, its dismissed.

I wasnt gonna say nothing in this thread anymore but i cant help but reply to this Kharhaz,
Yes Rafa made loads of interviews some mad ones , but what he never done was question or bring up anyone who was our previous manager , Roy is bringing it to peoples attention to much, Why say Kenny was not allowed near Melwood , had nothing to do with anyone, was merley looking like a puppet , and he wants him to be involved Rafa brought Kenny back, and got him involved ,Why keep bringing up our previous manager in little digs , have a dig a Fergie or one of the other managers instead, thats what is annoying me about him . Every interview he has given recently our previous manager has been thrown in there somewhere ,and imo thats not right,

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