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Reg wrote:And all comments can be taken out of context remember.

Ben Patrick wrote:

Ciggy wrote:What gets me though is people who went on here and slaughtered the man and guaranteed that someone like Mourinho would kill to manage us. That is and was so incredibly far from any kind of reality it still boggles the mind.

And then there's people like in this thread who posted they where bored with Rafa and after he promised 4th and finished 7th he had to go.

European games against Barca, Real Madrid, Juve etc etc, on a yearly basis? Not to mention a few finals now and then. Should not be ignored people wanted the title and he didnt deliver it thats why people wanted him out, not because of the 7th place finish people thought the grass was greener getting shut of him well everyone knows now its not.

And of course there's also the point of who should replace Rafa. Why anyone would think the people we had/have in charge would be able to get us anything better is beyond me. We reap what we sow, and there are plenty of Liverpool fans out there who thoroughly deserve what's happening now.

As bad as last season was with Rafa he didnt ever have us in 18th place seven goals scored with a minus goal difference.

When you get rid of a manager you replace said manager with someone better who in their right mind thought Roy Hodgson would be any better seriously needs their heads testing, the first thing I said when he signed was he will take us down and I was right.

I didnt want to be proven right I feel a f,uckin shamed embarressed and humiliated at our position in the league, I feel a f,ucking shamed in having an absoluty clueless manager in charge, who has no clue about Liverpool Football Club and is still comparing us to Fulham.

Twit & Tw@t have gone if the new owners have ruthlessness about them they should sack Hodgson today before he ruins this club for ever.

I say this alot lately.

I think your a sound girl but you dont half chat some rubbish on here at times ciggy.

People didnt want Rafa to go because they demanded or expected the title.
The reason (for me anyway) was because we were clearly going backwards and he didnt appear to have any idea how to stop it happening.
He started really well and won 2 trophies. That was fantastic.
We then got to another champions league final which was a great thing as we were ranked the no1 side in europe and probably favourites in that final.

He got it wrong for me there and inexplicably left Crouch on the bench when we were 2-0 down.
We still had some great times over the next 3 seasons with the Real Madrid and united hammerings in the same week being one of the best weeks of our recent history.
But the last season things had gone totally wrong.
His signings in the last 2 seasons had been terrible. Major money wasted with a key player being sold and replaced with one that the manager appeared not to fancy at all.
The squad in the end was massively unbalanced and after 6 seasons despite the financial constraints due to our scumbag owners - it was Rafa's squad. He built it and the buck does stop with him.

Onto Roy, there is no doubt he looks out of his depth, big time.
You and others have called it right by the looks of things.
I can hold my hands up and freely admit i thought most managers could come in and things would improve, even if it was only slightly.
I never for one minute expected things to be this bad and the buck stops with Roy.
It's not the previous managers fault we lost at home to Blackpool and were knocked out of the Carling cup at home to Northampton.
We may have an unbalanced squad with some poor players in but we should without doubt be in and around the top 4 still.
The board appear to have cocked up by appointing Roy and i think the new owners need to make a call asap before we are in serious trouble.

That doesnt mean Rafa should still be here, he had his chance and come up short in the end.

What it does mean is that when the owners do change the manager, they get it right.

hear hear, well said that man, totally agree. 

Bad Bob wrote:

Ben Patrick wrote:His signings in the last 2 seasons had been terrible. Major money wasted with a key player being sold and replaced with one that the manager appeared not to fancy at all.
The squad in the end was massively unbalanced and after 6 seasons despite the financial constraints due to our scumbag owners - it was Rafa's squad. He built it and the buck does stop with him.

That was the key with Rafa, for me.  Yes, there's the one bad season argument but his transfers were replacing too many solid players with weaker players each window.

Crouch and Bellamy --> Keane and Voronin
Riise -->  Dossena
Momo --> Lucas
Alonso --> Aquilani

etc .etc.

Unfortunately, in terms of the squad strength we were going backwards and that suggested that more bad seasons would follow.

see what you've started 

anyway I think you're right in what you say, HOWEVER, the owners clearly haven't helped on that matter tho. I've no doubt that everyone can see we need wingers and a striker in the squad. If money was there surely it would be done right??

Sellling Riera was a bit of a bad move IMO - I know he was being a tw@t but he was our only genuine winger who had something nobody else had. Masch obviously hasn't helped Roy's situation either cos now we really are missing that bit of steel in the middle of the park

Reg wrote:Has the performance of the team been predictable?

stmichael wrote:

Reg wrote:Has the performance of the team been predictable?

Yes, ever since I witnessed the debacle away at Birmingham when we should have got spanked. I've seen absolutely no change in our negativity or play since. You could pretty much have written the script before every match. Even more worrying is it's become predictable to the opposition who basically can see that if you have a right go at us and press the ball we have no answer and fall to pieces.

I'm now expecting to get beat going into games which is something I've never experienced before as a fan especially over the past few years. It's come to the stage now where I saw Samba getting sent off last night for Blackburn and my first thought was "I wonder if he'll be suspended against us next week? That's a big miss for Blackburn". That's what it's come to. In previous season's I'd be going to a home game against Blackburn expecting to wipe them off the face of the earth whoever they had playing.

Reg wrote:Ok but what about my analysis of fan behaviour, are we being far too critical simply becuase of an adrenalin rush after the take over battle victory and not taking into account the physical and mental state of the players who were even closer to the drama than we were?

Reg wrote:Ok lets look at this from a different angle. If the club spoke a few months ago to a psychiatrist and asked the affect of the ownership drama on a motivated social group (LFC supporters) bearing in mind the anticipated stressful run up to the October 6th deadline, what response would he have given?

the group stress levels would gradually intensify in the 2 months before the deadline peaking at maximum levels as we saw in the first week of october,
that upon completion of the takeover saga that fans would feel a great weight lifted,
they would then turn their 'relief' towards the team and expect an immediate response
that the team would be as emotionally drained as much as the fans, further weighed down by fan expectations
that the squad problems of the preceeding 3 years would be immediately forgotten and no tolerance would be given,
that the season performance in the run up to october 6th and immediately thereafter would be taken out on any manager who happened to me in the incumbent seat.

Hence he would have advised not to appoint Kenny fearing that even if the King was in the hot seat right now the fans would have turned on him.

The behaviour of the fans is WAY TOO ctitical at the mo, there is no compassion being shown after 3 years of incredible internal turmoil.

Has the performance of the team been predictable?
Has the performance of the fans been predictable?
Does it matter who is/was manager, is it inevitable that the consequence of the takeover trauma has led to Zero Tolerance?

So whats the way forward? Sack Roy? NO.

We keep Roy until the new owners have mapped out a strategy and got their ducks in a row and until the fans have got over the takeover battle and calmed down.

I'd keep Roy until the end of the season and accept that we´re gonna end up mid-table as a natural consequence of recent events.

Of course its not what people want to hear but there are always consequences of actions and after 3 years of massive turmoil, we have an almighty complex to get over before we can start to move forward. Again... something T&T are grossly responsible for.

Sabre wrote:

Sabre...I cannot believe you think that Hodgson should be given till the end of the season. HE NEEDS TO GO NOW 

Any Liverpool manager who believes that it is okay to lose the Merseyside Derby in the manner that we did last weekend is SERIOUSLY DELUDED!

That's ok because I've been deluded according to this forum for years for defending Rafa 

Seriously, I understand your feelings and you being dissapointed, so am I. But unless we have a serious and respected manager internationally like Hiddink available, I wouldn't advocate for a change.

Do you really think another manager could do worse though, or do you realisticly think Hodgson can turn this around? becuase in the same way as Rafa lost his way in the final season I don't think Hodgson ever had a way. I am astonished and bewildered how badly we are currently playing and I don't see any glimmer of recovery. I really thought the ownership saga was a big factor in our displays but it doesn't seem that it was, although it is of course brilliant that we finally got rid of tw1t and tw@t, especially with them loosing lots of money.