Reg wrote:Put it this way, IMHO the two best 'leaders' we've had in the last 35 years were Emlyn and Souness.
Now you join the dots.
I wasn't born back then to know, but I'll take your word on that mate.
Reg wrote:Put it this way, IMHO the two best 'leaders' we've had in the last 35 years were Emlyn and Souness.
Now you join the dots.



Reg wrote:metalhead wrote:I see a leader on the pitch, never mind what he does in the dressing room. Istanbul proved why he was a true leader, best man out there, he and Carragher.
I see you can say Reina would be a good leader, because usually are into sorts of these things in dressing room (When spain won the WC, he lead everything, the party, the banter, the spokesman of the team).
Put it this way, IMHO the two best 'leaders' we've had in the last 35 years were Emlyn and Souness.
Now you join the dots.

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Reg wrote:metalhead wrote:I see a leader on the pitch, never mind what he does in the dressing room. Istanbul proved why he was a true leader, best man out there, he and Carragher.
I see you can say Reina would be a good leader, because usually are into sorts of these things in dressing room (When spain won the WC, he lead everything, the party, the banter, the spokesman of the team).
Put it this way, IMHO the two best 'leaders' we've had in the last 35 years were Emlyn and Souness.
Now you join the dots.
For me leadership is the ability to motivate, lead by example and foremost have the respect of the changing room.
Gerrard is clearly a born leader, few would disagree - Liverpool supporter or not.
Whether he is the best leader we have is open to debate, possibly not, but it's close.

Reg wrote:SouthCoastShankly wrote:Reg wrote:metalhead wrote:I see a leader on the pitch, never mind what he does in the dressing room. Istanbul proved why he was a true leader, best man out there, he and Carragher.
I see you can say Reina would be a good leader, because usually are into sorts of these things in dressing room (When spain won the WC, he lead everything, the party, the banter, the spokesman of the team).
Put it this way, IMHO the two best 'leaders' we've had in the last 35 years were Emlyn and Souness.
Now you join the dots.
For me leadership is the ability to motivate, lead by example and foremost have the respect of the changing room.
Gerrard is clearly a born leader, few would disagree - Liverpool supporter or not.
Whether he is the best leader we have is open to debate, possibly not, but it's close.
SG is a great player, but so was Rushie, Aldo and Jimmy Case all of whom had the respect of the changing room. It doesnt mean they have leadership qualities.
I've never been convinced he is Captian material. You could argue the team has changed so frequently over the last 5-6 years he has been the only constant, with Carra.
Is he (or was he) the best choice, well Hamann would have been a candidate, Sami of course (but was too quiet). Could be that we simply haven't had anyone good enough for a long time....


bunglemark2 wrote:OH...MY...GOD....
This lot have about as much of a fookin' clue about football as the last pair of muppets then....
stmichael wrote:Benny The Noon wrote:What smile ?
makes me livid looking at this picture
Reg wrote:metalhead wrote:bunglemark2 wrote:maguskwt wrote:Reg wrote:Carra always talks of his own management potential however if he's serious (and I dont think he has the exposure to sufficient styles of football to be a success myself) then this is his opportunity to motivate and lead the lads forward. But not by just shouting, which appears to be his prefered manner.
with all due respect to Carra I think he will make a lousy manager mate... maybe a good coach but not a good manager...
Ditto for Gerrad. In fact, I think SG is a lousy captain. I've said it before and mean it even more so now.
Than again, who would respond to any kind of metaphorical - or literal - kick up the ar$e from a captain if you're STILL gonna get more in one week than most make in 2-3 years ?
Captains should inspire and lead. He can't do that and neither can anyone else in the squad.
Sorry mate, when you have a player who comes in and saves you so many times, ala West Ham and Istanbul and many other games, means that this player is a strong leader on the field because he is one of the best there is. Gerrard is a born leader, he takes the team by the scruff of the neck and is our best player, brilliant captain sorry.
Nothing to do with being a leader, he's a talisman.
Leadership is Emlyn, , Thommo, Souness etc.. who let every player know what was expected, dominated the changing room, led the banter, let the partying - and suffered the gripes and complaints as a result.
Gerrard is too nice to be a leader, you need someone who combines skill, genuine leadership and a nasty streak.


devaney wrote:Apart from Reina, Gerrard is the only world class player we have. Look how he captained England in Ferdinand's absence and what happened when Ferdinand came back. Now you question his ability as captain. Ffs try looking at what he has around him at Liverpool if you really want to know where the problem is. Gerrard is brilliant but he is not a fkg miracle worker. This forum is fickle beyond belief.

It really is looking like those who said the job was beyond him are going to be proven right in the end

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