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Postby supersub » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:24 pm

lakes10 wrote:god the weeks before rafa left this forum was 30/70 in wishing for him to get the sack.

And now 90% of the 70 want Roy to go the same way :laugh:

fickle f*****s   appears the 30 percenters have stayed true..they must be the real fans that the non posse crowd refer too :D
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:29 pm

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lakes10 wrote:god the weeks before rafa left this forum was 30/70 in wishing for him to get the sack.

And now 90% of the 70 want Roy to go the same way :laugh:

fickle f*****s   appears the 30 percenters have stayed true..they must be the real fans that the non posse crowd refer too :D

yep andi understand why
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:30 pm

Embaresing ,just totaly fu.cking Embaresing to hear them bitter gobsh,ites sing going down. going down, and you bought the wrong club, Im sorry but to think we got rid of ONE of the best managers in Europe to replace him with this senile arl bas.tard is unbelievable, The players didnt have a clue what they were supposed to be doing , tactics what fu.cking tacktics ive seen better tactics given to a kids sunday football team, The new owners said they will listen to the fans , well listen to us and get rid ,  Dont be listening to Christie about what the media think . It was him who brought him here , He makes Souness look brilliant. thats how bad he is,
Roy you say you are respected , well show yourself and us some respect by admitting the job is way way to big for you , do the decent thing by the fans and for the sake of the team and hand your notice in, . I have put up with so much shi.t today from them bitters my head is absolutly batterd , They love Roy, all around me they were saying about phoneins , message boards about showing him support , I feel f.ucking sick, If West Ham get even a point next Saturday we will be bottom of the league Saturday night . Peolpe can say its not The Liverpool way TO GET RID . WELL ITS NOT OUR WAY TO BE IN THE BOTTOM 3, NEITHER,
So do yourself a favour either do one or get rid before anymore damage is caused, because our local Derby could be .fuc.king Tranmere if not,
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:31 pm

dundreamin wrote:Do people remember rafas comments after Athens final? He knew what was going on. A net spend of 19 million over 3 and a half years WTF hnw did we keep up ? Answer RAFA do people realise how well he done now?  WAKE UP PEOPLE

well he had 76 players to pick from so he was not that shy in spending money, dont care how much a manager spends on players aslong as he is making good buys,,,rafa did not
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Postby supersub » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:33 pm

dundreamin wrote:Do people remember rafas comments after Athens final? He knew what was going on. A net spend of 19 million over 3 and a half years WTF hnw did we keep up ? Answer RAFA do people realise how well he done now?  WAKE UP PEOPLE

the anti rafas will always refuse to smell the coffee and see the light......you can't shop for the bargains or the best items at the end of the sale because they all get sold and bought in June not the beginning of August....and it's no good being forced to sell you best commodities to buy whats left...3 years Benitez had to beg to buy...Roy has had 1 go and the strain is already showing ...sadly the day Moores took the money was the day the rot set in...it's no surprise to me we are now where we are.....I have no doubt in my mind Rafa Benitez would have made a better job of this season than Roy but apparently certain players didn't share the same faith....the same players that are letting Roy down now,no doubt !
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:33 pm

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lakes10 wrote:god the weeks before rafa left this forum was 30/70 in wishing for him to get the sack.

And now 90% of the 70 want Roy to go the same way :laugh:

fickle f*****s   appears the 30 percenters have stayed true..they must be the real fans that the non posse crowd refer too :D

what i have found funny today that there are some fans on here that where asking for Rafa to be sacked, and today they are asking him to come back.......would not like to go into a war with them by my side.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:34 pm

Cant see  Hodgson name amongst the list


Thursday, October 7, 2010
Top Ten Current Managers of European Club Football

Europe is perhaps the best when it comes to club football in terms of worldwide fan following, quality of teams, players and managers. Here, I am going to write about the top ten managers who are currently active in European club football. It is true that many players from other continents became famous playing in Europe, but I did not find any notable manager from outside Europe working with a European club.

Before taking you through to the list, I would like to inform you that while making the list I not only considered the number of titles a manager has to his credit, but also his skills in man-management, vision, tactics, finding talented players, making decisive decisions and nurturing young talents. Anyway, the list is totally based on my own opinion and you do not necessarily have to agree with me. Rather, you can share your opinion in the comment section.

Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United)

The 68-year-old has already become one of the most decorated managers in European club football. When he took charge of Manchester United in November 1986, the club was struggling to avoid relegation (being second from bottom); Ferguson then helped the Red Devils to finish 11th in the league table that season.

Now, after 24 years Sir Alex Ferguson Ferguson has won everything with Manchester United: 11 Premier League, 5 FA Cup, 4 League Cup, 2 Champions League and 9 FA Community Shield titles, alongside one title in each of the following tournaments: UEFA Cup Winners' Cup, UEFA Super Cup, Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup.

As a manager Sir Alex Ferguson took no time to advocate strict discipline in the team. Another thing that many believe helped him achieve so much success at Old Trafford is his sincerer effort to build young players, besides making necessary signings, and the outcome was players like Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, David Beckham, Garry Neville and Phil Neville started to come through the youth ranks.

Arsene Wenger (Arsenal)

The Frenchman’s placement at this position in the list may surprise many, but as I sated before, I did not only consider a manager’s success in the form of titles achieved but also take into account his ability to build a team. Arsene Wenger may not have won as many titles as some other managers of this list did, but among these managers only Ferguson can come close to Wenger’s excellent visionary skill in club management and ability in spotting unearthed talents.

Wenger could not win any title over the last 5 years as he had to run with a tight budget due to the club’s stadium debt and rely mostly on home grown young players. But, still he could keep Arsenal at the top four of Premier League every season and guided them to the Champions League final in 2006.

Wenger’s early years at the club, when the financial challenge was not severe, proved to be highly successful as he produced 11 titles including 3 Premier League and 3 FA Cup titles in the space of 9 years. Wenger became the first and only manager in the history of Premier League to lead his team to win the Premier League title without enduring any defeat in 2003-04.

Arsene Wenger set up a much-praised example of youth policy that saw the emergence of the players like Cesc Fabregas, Jack Wilshere and few other talented players. He is also highly skilled at spotting talents. Starting from Thierry Henry to Thomas Vermaelen lately, Wenger bought man young talented players who jus turned into world class players at Arsenal.

Jose Mourinho (Real Madrid)

The Portuguese is perhaps the most hot-shot manager of European club football at the moment. After failing as a player, Jose Mourinho pursued his career in club management. He started as the interpreter of Sir Bobby Robson, who was appointed Sporting Lisbon manager, in 1992 and continued working with Robson as his assistant and interpreter at FC Porto and Barcelona. Later, he also worked as assistant of Louis van Gaal at Barcelona.

Mourinho, nicknamed The Special One, was appointed as the head coach of Benfica in 2000, but his major success came at FC Porto where he won two Portuguese League titles in successive years and a UEFA Cup and Champions League titles in between 2002 and 2004. He continued achieving success with English club Chelsea, winning 6 titles including two Premier League titles in the space of just 3 years.

Mourinho then helped Inter Milan to win 5 competitive tournaments including 2 Serie A and a Champions League titles during his two-year stint. Overall, the current Real Madrid manager has won 17 top-flight titles with 3 different clubs in 3 different European leagues over the last 8 years.

Carlo Ancelotti (Chelsea)

Unlike Ferguson and Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti pursued his career in club management on the back of a highly successful playing career. However, after 15 years in managerial job, he can now feel that his managerial career is no less decorative than his playing career. He has won 1 Serie A, 1 Italian Cup, 2 Champions League, 1 FIFA Club World Cup and 2 UEFA Super Cup titles during his 8-year stay at AC Milan.

Ancelotti also got instant success at his current club Chelsea, leading them to win Premier League and FA Cup double in his debut season, and thus, becoming the only second non-British manager after Arsene Wenger to win the prestigious Double in England.

Carlo Ancelotti is well-known for his excellent personal relationship with the players. His coaching philosophy is not that of a strict disciplinarian. Rather, his intention is to associate with the players as closely as possible and make a friendly atmosphere at the club so that players do not hesitate to reveal what they are feeling about different issues.

Louis van Gaal (Bayern Munich)

The Dutchman is another highly decorative manager of European club football. After a highly successful career as a professional player, Louis van Gaal took club management as his profession. It has been almost two decades he has been in club management and won almost each and every title that came his way. Louis van Gaal is one of those very few European managers who did not endure failure at any club.

Starting with Ajax, Louis van Gaal won 3 Dutch League, 3 Dutch Super Cup, 1 Dutch Cup, 1 Champions League, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 Intercontinental Cup during his 6-year stint with the Dutch giants. He emulated his success at Barcelona too, leading them to win 2 Spanish League, 1 Spanish Cup and 1 Super Cup titles in just 3 years.

However, Louis van Gaal had a disappointing coaching stint with Netherlands as he failed to guide the Dutch national side to qualify for the 2002 World Cup. Following a short second stint with Barcelona, he joined Dutch club AZ in 2005 and guided them to win the Dutch league in 2009, the same year he joined German club Bayern Munich. The 59-year-old showed his magic in his debut season at Bundesliga, leading Bayern to an unprecedented domestic Treble and the final of Champions League.

Roberto Mancini (Manchester City)

Roberto Mancini is another highly successful player who moved into club management. The current manager of Manchester City has earned much fame for what he achieved at his previous clubs- Inter Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina. Overall, he won 3 Italian League, 4 Italian Cup and 2 Italian Super Cup titles since 2001.

Mancini started his managerial career even before his retirement as a player. During his last years of playing career, he served as a player and assistant manager at Lazio. After his retirement in 2001, he took charge of cash-trapped Fiorentina and led them to win the Italian Cup the same year before joinin another financially stricken club Lazio. It was at Lazio where Mancini for the first time showed his skill in building a team and tactical skill, and led the club to win Italian Cup in 2004, despite losing key players and running on a tight budget.

In 2004, Mancini joined Inter Milan where he enjoyed a highly successful 4-year stint, winning three consecutive Italian League titles. However, he failed to produce any notable success in Europe and this is perhaps the reason he was sacked in 2008, despite achieving enviable domestic success.

Rafael Benitez (Inter Milan)

Rafael Benitez is another notable manager currently involved in European club football. He is now at the helm of Italian club Inter Milan following his successful 6-year stint with Liverpool during which he guided the English club to win Champions League in 2005, besides achieving 1 FA Cup, 1 UEFA Super Cup and 1 FA Community Shield titles. However, there are many who believe that failing to produce a Premier League title at Liverpool was the failure of Benitez.

At 50, Rafael Benitez already has 24 years of experience at coaching as he started his coaching career at the age of 26 after failing to lift his playing career. He coached at various levels in Real Madrid including its reserve side, U-19 team and finally as the assistant for the senior team’s manager. He left Real Madrid for Real Valladolid in 1995 and in the next five years he managed 3 more clubs with little success.

Benitez got the breakthrough when he joined Valencia in 2001. During his 3-year-stint at Valencia, he won 2 Spanish League and 1 UEFA Cup titles. Overall, the Spaniard has already earned some prestigious titles in his career and it would be interesting to see how much success he can achieve at Inter Milan.

Pep Guardiola (Barcelona)

Josep Guardiola, better known as Pep Guardiola, is the youngest and least experienced manager in this list. However, the 39-year-old started his managerial career with a bang, leading Barcelona to win 6 titles in a year.

In his debut season (2008-2009) as manager, Guardiola guided Barcelona to win the Treble including Spanish League, Spanish Cup and Champions League. Winning the Champions League title, he became the youngest ever manager to achieve this success. In 2009, Barcelona also won Spanish Supercopa, UEFA Super Cup and FIFA Club World Cup titles under his guidance and defended the Spanish League title in 2009-10 season.

No doubt, Pep Guardiola has already earned lots of attention though his success with Barcelona and many believe he has everything what it takes to become a legend. He always prefers attacking and flowing style of football and his coaching philosophy is reflected in Barcelona’s performances over the last couple of years.

Frank Rijkaard (Galatasaray)

The Dutch legend started his coaching career in 1998 when he took over as the coach of Netherlands national team, but he resigned two years later following Netherlands’ semi final defeat to Italy in Euro 2000. He then had a short stint with Dutch side Sparta Rotterdam before joining Barcelona in 2003.

At Barcelona, Rijkaard started showing his managerial skills. During his 5-year stay at the Catalan side, he won 2 Spanish League, 1 Champions league and 2 Spanish Super Cup titles. The most important thing is that he produced beautiful attacking style of football with his Barcelona side that not only won tournaments but also gave enjoyment to the fans.

Alike his great compatriots Rinus Michels and Johan Cruijff, Rijkaard always advocates attacking style of football and believes in playing as a unit without relying on individual performances.

Didier Deschamps (Olympique Marseille)

The World Cup winning former France international has already showed that he has the quality to emulate his success as a player in his managerial career. He started his career as a manager in 2001 when he was appointed manager of French club AS Monaco.

During his managerial stint, he guided Monaco to win the French League Cup title in 2003, and most importantly, led Monaco to the final of Champions League for the first time in 2003-04. Though Monaco lost to Porto in the final, it remained as one of the biggest achievements in the history of Monaco.

In 2006, Didier Deschamps joined Juventus and led them to win the Serie B title, and thus, earning promotion to Serie A. Despite the success, Deschamps resigned and took a break of 2 years before returning in 2009 as the manager of Olympique Marseille. He started his Marseille career in style guiding the team to win a prestigious domestic Double including French League and French League Cup titles.
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Postby bunglemark2 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:36 pm

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aCe' wrote:Have to say im very very disappointed by the manager so far... I'd still give him 2 more games but at the moment i just cant see us improving under him...

Too late with subs, and usually goes for the safe option... Doesnt seem to read the game well prior to kickoff and during the game...
To be perfectly honest, he's done relatively well in the transfer market and seems to do well in press conferences but besides that offers very little in terms of tactical coaching and team setup...

I think he will get a few more games only down to the new owners not wanting to sack a manager so soon after taking over the club. Having said that if they did sack him tonight I don't think many could really argue he is being unfairly treated.

Roy Hodgson shouldn't GET 2 more games. His team selection is consistently atrocious, he makes substitutions (in most cases, the numpties he selected to START the game) way too late, he has a defeatist attitude even BEFORE a ball is kicked, he commends "best performances of the season" when the world and his mother knows we were cack....
He is a meek, weak, defeatist little man...
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Postby supersub » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:37 pm

lakes10 wrote:
dundreamin wrote:Do people remember rafas comments after Athens final? He knew what was going on. A net spend of 19 million over 3 and a half years WTF hnw did we keep up ? Answer RAFA do people realise how well he done now?  WAKE UP PEOPLE

well he had 76 players to pick from so he was not that shy in spending money, dont care how much a manager spends on players aslong as he is making good buys,,,rafa did not

It's tough to make the good buys when they all got sold before you had the pocket money....you end paying through the nose for the left-overs to make do...
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Postby zarababe » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:42 pm

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bigmick wrote:Lakes says he doesn't care if we sack Roy or not, and I must confess I do think people get a bit confused when people "defend" him, thinking it means they think he's doing a great job, it doesn't.

The point is, moving a manager on should only be undertaken in the most extreme of circumstances. Arguably we may already be there, time will tell. We were there at the end of last season, and when you look at some of the players littering our squad it always amazes me that people think that having that as a result of a six year building plan was a good reason for keeping a manager.

Sacking Roy though would cost 6 million quid, and there's a good chance you could be paying out compensation to whoever you bring in. Then you've got the risk that the new bloke won't like Mereiles and there's another 10 million quid spunked, or Poulsen at 4.5 mill, or Konchesky at 3 mill. It's easy to see how swapping your managers willy nilly is the recipe for disaster. Swapping them only when you have to and then picking the right one is the way to go. It's looking a bit bleak for the choice we've made this time, but given the situation, the lack of games played and all that, in my judgement you might as well give the fella chance to turn it around.

That doesn't though mean I think he's doing a fantastic job, or that I love him, I don't.

6 million quid? bloody better keep him then lol or mug someone for and sell lucas to them to pat for it lol.

Yeh keep him.. and then when we get relegated we can count the cost of getting rid vs the £50+m, or whatever figure it is, for going down   :lookaround

My fear is that the league is strong, there are no 'easy games' .. we know that. In the form we are in, we could easily get stuck and adrift from safety .. and then ?

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Postby bunglemark2 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:52 pm

zarababe wrote:
lakes10 wrote:
bigmick wrote:Lakes says he doesn't care if we sack Roy or not, and I must confess I do think people get a bit confused when people "defend" him, thinking it means they think he's doing a great job, it doesn't.

The point is, moving a manager on should only be undertaken in the most extreme of circumstances. Arguably we may already be there, time will tell. We were there at the end of last season, and when you look at some of the players littering our squad it always amazes me that people think that having that as a result of a six year building plan was a good reason for keeping a manager.

Sacking Roy though would cost 6 million quid, and there's a good chance you could be paying out compensation to whoever you bring in. Then you've got the risk that the new bloke won't like Mereiles and there's another 10 million quid spunked, or Poulsen at 4.5 mill, or Konchesky at 3 mill. It's easy to see how swapping your managers willy nilly is the recipe for disaster. Swapping them only when you have to and then picking the right one is the way to go. It's looking a bit bleak for the choice we've made this time, but given the situation, the lack of games played and all that, in my judgement you might as well give the fella chance to turn it around.

That doesn't though mean I think he's doing a fantastic job, or that I love him, I don't.

6 million quid? bloody better keep him then lol or mug someone for and sell lucas to them to pat for it lol.

Yeh keep him.. and then when we get relegated we can count the cost of getting rid vs the £50+m, or whatever figure it is, for going down   :lookaround

My fear is that the league is strong, there are no 'easy games' .. we know that. In the form we are in, we could easily get stuck and adrift from safety .. and then ?

Prevention is better than cure.. GET RID NOW, whatever the cost !

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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:54 pm

Would be happy to spend a bit of transfer budget on replacing the manager .
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:00 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Would be happy to spend a bit of transfer budget on replacing the manager .

:nod An i heard today that he has got a clause in his contract , he can be given 28 days notice , So put it in writing John lad , it cant go on any longer ,
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Postby bigmick » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:17 pm

I think the furore is such that if they have a get out, they may well use it. I've no problem with that as long as we pick correctly, and all of the fans get 100% behind the manager whoever he is from day one. That never happened with this bloke, and if 2/3 of the fan base aren't prepared to give the next guy a chance either, we'll have another failure on our hands.

Obviously everyone will have an opinion on who the replacement ought to be, and indeed whether it's a good idea once it's decided on, but my hope is that once he takes over people give him a go. Constantly harping back to managers past and crossing fingers hoping he's coming back isn't doing anybody any favours, I'm absolutely certain of that.

The other point of course is that our squad is really not very good, and if Torres can't be persuaded to snap out of his blue period, we are a pretty average team. That will be the case regardless of who we bring in as the manager I'm afraid.
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Postby jono » Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:21 pm

Can't see a problem in promoting Kenny. If he can't improve matters then we will have a better indication of how bad the first team is as I believe he will get more out of em than Roy can while we look for the right manager.
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