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SouthCoastShankly wrote:I thought Rafa's time was up due to our lack of progress and other annoyances he had. I also thought Roy would turn it around to a certain extent, I was never 100% convinced but was willing to give him time.

But now change is needed fast. Essentially a better manager is needed than both Hodgson and Rafa. Neither are good enough. Use the free money now to attract a big manager.

Benny The Noon wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ian Rush's Right foot wrote:Seriously lakes ur becoming s popular s H&G

ok mate point out what i am saying is wrong for me.

The club has a lack of good player from the 16yr olds to the first team

poor players need to be sold off.

another manager will find it hard doing this job as he will still have the same team untill Jan.

Torres is not himself and has not been for a long time.

Reading through the forum from today all you have spoken about is 16 year old kids not being good enough - couple of points 1. How the hell do you know they aren't good enough 2. Do you actually know the kids we have and their potential and ability - I suggest you go do your homework and then come back .

bavlondon wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

bavlondon wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Liverpool scored 27 goals last season in 8 games, we have scored 7 goals this season in 8 games.

Rafas fault !!!

a lot has changed since then, for one torres seems to have forgot where the goal is,

Your excuse is flawed due to the fact Torres missed most of last season.

And all you have done all day is blame Rafa when infact Roy couldnt lace Rafas boots cause he is totally out of his depth and shouldnt be anywhere near our club !!!

You hounded Rafa out I hope you are happy with his replacement enjoy the championship if this old fool stays around.

come on time to give the Rafa stuff a rest ciggy he has gone.

That's ironic, it was you and dawson clinging to Rafa as an excuse come the final whistle today. Tell me if we get relegated are you gonna blame Rafa as well? 

Just face facts Roy is a fish out of water here and is just making things worse. He doens't know how to be creative and play posession football why, because he has always played ugly football. We have a team suited to pressing and he isn't playing the team to their strengths so no wonder we are getting steamrolled. And then for him to turn around and say thats the best performance of the season? Dear god I really do fail to see how people still have faith in the man. He has to go now!

We have new owners, get MON or Hiddink in now and we can have  a fresh start. We need someone to motivate the players and steady the ship.

do you think MON will fit into the club, many fans dont like him, god i can see this forum now lol

There isn't anyone else around right now except maybe Hiddink and it might be too hard to get him. MON has always overachieved wherever he has been, also it can't be hard to better the job Roy is doing right now. No offence to him as  a person but he isn't cut out to manage this club. If he has any respect left for the club he will step down tonight.

Would you rather we stick with Roy and enjoy the bottom of the table for a few more months? Give me a break lakes, you cannot defend what we are seeing.

lakes10 wrote:

Benny The Noon wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

Ian Rush's Right foot wrote:Seriously lakes ur becoming s popular s H&G

ok mate point out what i am saying is wrong for me.

The club has a lack of good player from the 16yr olds to the first team

poor players need to be sold off.

another manager will find it hard doing this job as he will still have the same team untill Jan.

Torres is not himself and has not been for a long time.

Reading through the forum from today all you have spoken about is 16 year old kids not being good enough - couple of points 1. How the hell do you know they aren't good enough 2. Do you actually know the kids we have and their potential and ability - I suggest you go do your homework and then come back .

benny i base it on the fact we spent the last 3 years butying them and then letting them go. we sent out a 2nd team and got our butt kicked out of the cup.....thats what i base my view that its more than just the first team that has the problem.

Benny The Noon wrote:And on the point of fans getting behind the manager - it's hard to cheer on such an inept set up and tactics but the fans are hoarse from trying today . Today was embarrassing , shameful and I was gutted walking out of the ground listening to BS ( including my mate sat next to me ) singing about us going down . Lakes says no manager with this team would do any better - well lakes previous manager did far far better with this team . Can't believe I'm going to say it but it's time for Hodgson to be replaced - sometimes it's better to just say the club made a mistake and rectify it quickly .

as i said mate i dont careif they sack roy. i still think another manager would have founbd it hard to get much better results, oh dont get me wrong i think we would have won the blackpool game under anyother manager apART FROM ROY, HE UP THEN BIG TIME.

Rush Job wrote:

metalhead wrote:

roberto green wrote:Robbie fowler said "The team I have just seen lose to Everton is worse than the Leeds team I was in which got relegated"

He is having a dig at Rafa Benitez then.

He wasnt mate he was just making the point that it doesnt matter who you have playing for you if you dont play as a team you can go down.
His point was the leeds side that went down was a good team playing bad and if it can happen to them it can happen to us.

Bad Bob wrote:Do we have a significant amount of deadwood in the squad?  Absolutely.  Should we still be comfortably clear of the relegation zone despite said deadwood and despite a tricky fixture list to start the season?  Again, absolutely.  This notion that no manager would have us sitting better than we currently are is flawed, IMO.  I think there are plenty of managers--including Rafa, it must be said--who would have us mid-table at this stage.  Roy's not done the business so far.  No question about it.  Will he ever?  That's the real question at hand and, frankly, it's not looking promising that he will.

Rafa would not have had us l;oitering wehere we are, nor looking so 'all over the place'

Hiddink!

lakes10 wrote:bavmate dont be like the rest of them read my posts mate, not once have i said dont sack Roy, in fact i dont give too hoots if he is sacked or not, i have never seenb him as a long tearm manager and if his time is up its up, my point is that its still going to be hard for any manager with the full club of players we have right now.

zarababe wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:Do we have a significant amount of deadwood in the squad?  Absolutely.  Should we still be comfortably clear of the relegation zone despite said deadwood and despite a tricky fixture list to start the season?  Again, absolutely.  This notion that no manager would have us sitting better than we currently are is flawed, IMO.  I think there are plenty of managers--including Rafa, it must be said--who would have us mid-table at this stage.  Roy's not done the business so far.  No question about it.  Will he ever?  That's the real question at hand and, frankly, it's not looking promising that he will.

Rafa would not have had us l;oitering wehere we are, nor looking so 'all over the place'

Hiddink!

bigmick wrote:

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:"Any manager with this team at his disposal I would expect to clinch fourth easily " ..... NOT MY WORDS BUT DISPLAYED IN CAPITALS MANY MANY TIMES ON THIS FORUM in one form or another .....

So what's your point Red, that people were wrong, you were right, you told us so, what?

FWIW I've said myself many times that the TEAM we CURRENTLY HAVE ought to be good enough IMHO to challenge for the top four. I don't think we've got enough good players to get into it any more, but we should be able to have a go at it. That said, with Torres playing like he is we are an ordinary team, because we don't have a credible alternative striker.

The vast majority of our players though are below the standard required for a club of our stature. Why that is has been done to death on here, but nontheless it remains the critical problem.

Just be grateful there's always a corner to back into ,for you budding mediums     ...whats up big fella not receiving enough gratification for your startling predictions as to how a Good Old English manager would totally transform us .?  Like I stated  earlier I am not at my most forgiving after having been subjected to the one sided abuse we received at Goodison when  our players and especially Our Old English manager were ridiculed in no uncertain terms ....and like the scenario that was unfolding on the pitch we had no answer to that either
I am fucking livid at that soulless display by a team masquerading as the Club I love ....its more than just pretense  Mick its a cruel charade and the fans deserve better Lad ...much much better and the manager is a huge part of this ...anyone who fails to acknowledge this isn't the honest  poster I first thought them to be

bavlondon wrote:

lakes10 wrote:bavmate dont be like the rest of them read my posts mate, not once have i said dont sack Roy, in fact i dont give too hoots if he is sacked or not, i have never seenb him as a long tearm manager and if his time is up its up, my point is that its still going to be hard for any manager with the full club of players we have right now.

Well we will just have to take the risk. It's either that or stick with Roy and potentially watch is sink proper. Which would you rather go with?

bigmick wrote:That said, with Torres playing like he is we are an ordinary team