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by **LFC2007** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:47 pm

I don't advocate a change of manager now. One, because though our form suggests we'll get thumped at Goodison, derbies are unique, and football is a funny game. We won there last season without Torres and playing a very defensive game, and most of the players who played in that game are still here. Two, we may well see developments on the ownership front before then, and campaigning for the manager's head isn't going to further our goal to see that change of ownership take place. If I want to see anything "gather pace" it's the campaign to get rid of Gillett and Hicks.

by **aCe'** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:00 am

Fck it im still a probationary member... Guess my "Where My Biitches At ?!" thread will have to wait a little longer...

On the Hodgson issue, I think our main problem is that Hodgson failed to get the team balance right early on, and 14 or so games into the season he still seems to be struggling with selections and tactics.. Would have been nice if we managed to pick up a few more points from the easier games but I'm sure once we settle on a starting 11 with players in their natural positions we'll see an improvement in terms of performance and results...

by **Ciggy** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:02 am

aCe' wrote:Dont know about you lot but seems many would be happy if we lost and Roy was sacked as a result..
Fcking disgraceful !

A lot of the people you class as "many" are long time reds some having watched the game for 30-40-50 years and more. No-one hoped Hodgson would fail from the outset. He was doomed, but he was doomed because he doesn't have a clue about Liverpool Football Club and thought that turning us into Fulham MkII was acceptable. And its not !!!!

by **Dundalk** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:12 am

Ciggy wrote:
aCe' wrote:Dont know about you lot but seems many would be happy if we lost and Roy was sacked as a result..
Fcking disgraceful !

A lot of the people you class as "many" are long time reds some having watched the game for 30-40-50 years and more. No-one hoped Hodgson would fail from the outset. He was doomed, but he was doomed because he doesn't have a clue about Liverpool Football Club and thought that turning us into Fulham MkII was acceptable. And its not !!!!

Ciggy thats not exatley true! When Roy was appointed before we had even kicked a ball you said in a post - Fuck of Roy!

by **Ciggy** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:25 am

Dundalk wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
aCe' wrote:Dont know about you lot but seems many would be happy if we lost and Roy was sacked as a result..
Fcking disgraceful !

A lot of the people you class as "many" are long time reds some having watched the game for 30-40-50 years and more. No-one hoped Hodgson would fail from the outset. He was doomed, but he was doomed because he doesn't have a clue about Liverpool Football Club and thought that turning us into Fulham MkII was acceptable. And its not !!!!

Ciggy thats not exatley true! When Roy was appointed before we had even kicked a ball you said in a post - Fuck of Roy!

I didnt hope hed fail though thats different I knew he would and it doesnt matter what people say on forums never underestimate the power of the fans at Anfield and if they want Hodgson out its for a good reason after 7 league games. He has no affinity with the fans even after 3 months, he still doesnt feel like OUR manager after 3 months a Liverpool manager feels like OURS the minute he walks through the door and he doesnt because he doesnt walk the walk or talk the talk of what a Liverpool manager should be.

And when he said on saturday I dont give a monkeys whether we are 16th or 18th and then we get beat by Blackpool you have to know hes in the wrong job Liverpool fans demand victories not a relegation dogfight something we havent had for 58 years and hes acting like its normal.

Its not normal and our fans arnt going to continue paying 30 odd quid a ticket to watch us being outplayed and beaten at home to Northampton, Sunderland, WBA and Blackpool they arnt idiots.

And when something is not right its not right and I and others know it and Hodgson is not the right man for our club, I dont care if you and others disagree its our fans that go the match that matter not people posting on a forum.

by **rocky29** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:28 am

Dundalk wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
aCe' wrote:Dont know about you lot but seems many would be happy if we lost and Roy was sacked as a result..
Fcking disgraceful !

A lot of the people you class as "many" are long time reds some having watched the game for 30-40-50 years and more. No-one hoped Hodgson would fail from the outset. He was doomed, but he was doomed because he doesn't have a clue about Liverpool Football Club and thought that turning us into Fulham MkII was acceptable. And its not !!!!

Ciggy thats not exatley true! When Roy was appointed before we had even kicked a ball you said in a post - Fuck of Roy!

im starting to think that ciggy doesnt like roy being our manager maybe im wrong.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:20 am

Igor Zidane wrote:My last word on the Roy debate . I didn't want roy as our manager from the start ,but i promised to support him . I never expected anything different than what we've got now . I hoped we'd do well but that's all it was ,hope . Now, can i just get this in first before i upset my fellow rafa supporters . RAFA BENITEZ did not leave this club in a mess . The mess started from 2007 when the yanks come in and got staedily worse . Rafa was fighting the owners the press and trying to compete on limted funds . He over achieved and he got sacked for having ONE i say again ONE poor season .

Now to those asking for our current manager to be sacked ROY . Don't be giving it the "well you wanted rafa sacked last season " You are not them , you have shown your class and dignity in the past by supporting your manager . Bite yer feckin lips and do it again . LFC the club is lost to us for now , but we the fans still have it in our hearts and our heads . Don't sink to the level of the sky sports watching numpties who were screaming for rafa's head last season . You are better than that ,so start showing it . Roy is our manager and we need and have to defend him from the owners and the press as much as rafa , because wether you like it or not Roy is a victim just as much as rafa was .

So feckin what if we are sh!te this season ,we were sh!te last season and i reckon we still would have been sh!te this season under rafa . I said all this last season in the takeover thread when people were blaming rafa instead of the owners . I said whomever the manager was was going to suffer if we kept these owners and we need to stick by him . It still stands and yes i'll say it again , he wasn't my first choice . He wasn't my any choice if i'm honest , but he's our manager and we are still LFC supporters and we need to start showing it .

I don't want kenny anywhere near this job if this is the way it's going to be from now on , because i'm telling you if we didn't learn from last season why rafa was sacked we will never learn . What was it broughton said , "it was obvious the media had no confidence in Benitez " The media ffs , are we now listening to what the media tell us to do , are they and the skysportsnews watchers who claim to be LFC fans going to dictate to us who should be our manager .

If LFC fans want the manager out they'll let the board know by not turning up at games .That's the way it's always been ,like under sousness and under houllier . Not by making tw@ts of ourselves by screaming our past mangers names or for calling for roy to get sacked at the match .

Feckin sort youselves out Your better than this and you know it !

YNWA.

this is a very sensible and top post Igor :nod

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:31 pm

As someone who thought Roy would steady the proverbial ship and give the lads a proper shot in the arm, I must say I'm very surprised how pear shaped it's gone. Make no mistake, we're deep in it--as losing to Blackpool at home in the shambolic manner we did indicates. The team has no organization, no balance, no fight and no belief. We aren't even seeing the signs that things are moving in the right direction--no green shoots to cling to as the bad results pile up. I think this international break is massive: Roy needs to step back and analyze all the things that have gone wrong so far and get busy finding solutions. He won't have the players there with him to work through the problems, though--he'll need to get things sorted out in his mind and look to make some fundamental changes to our set-up when the lads return. The derby thus becomes a bit of a double-edged sword: if there's one game the lads should be up for, it's that one but it's not an occasion to properly field test any new approaches. But the result there is vital. I really do think that, with the pressure building, Roy is one loss away from the sack and so he had better hope the lads put in a hell of a shift and grind out a result or he won't have an opportunity to address the problems he's presided over so far.

by **metalhead** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:36 pm

Liverpool legend Ray Clemence believes it is "sad" that Roy Hodgson's managerial qualities are under scrutiny after just three months in charge.

The Reds fans chanted the name of ex-boss Kenny Dalglish during Sunday's 2-1 home defeat by Blackpool which left their side in the bottom three of the Premier League.

Clemence believes the situation will not change significantly until the Tom Hicks-George Gillett ownership position is sorted out.

The former England keeper said: "I can't believe after two to three months that people are questioning the man (Hodgson).

"He has managed and coached at the highest level. He got Switzerland to over achieve with his organisation and tactical knowledge.

"He has coached in different places in Europe. He made Fulham into an excellent side, took them to a situation they've never been in their history.

"Why wouldn't he be the person to be given the opportunity at Liverpool? But he is in a situation which is not ideal by a long stretch of the imagination at the moment."

Clemence added: "I am sure Roy knows better than I do the changes that need to be made there but his hands appeared to be tied at this moment and will be until Christmas.

"Until the get the club sorted out in terms of who is going to own it, where the money is going to come from, then it is going to be a difficult three or four months.

"The problem is that the fans are confused as well.

"They've been having a go at the top people for so long, the top people still don't appear to want to move, so where do they go now? We'll have a go at the manager.

"It is sad because Liverpool fans over the years have been, and are in mind, are still the most loyal when you consider the number of managers over the years compared to other clubs.

"The man should be given a chance and three months is no time at all to make the changes that need to be made."

Clemence admits he is hurting personally over Liverpool's current plight.

He said: "I loved my time at Spurs, it was the best thing that could have happened to me at that time.

"I had 12 great years there as a player and coach, learnt a lot, and probably wouldn't be in this position today if I hadn't gone to Spurs.

"But if someone nails you to a post and says 'what is the club' then it is Liverpool.

"I had a fantastic time playing-wise there, the fans were always fantastic to me and still are when I go back.

"I love the place, I love the club, I hate to see where it is at the moment and I want to see them back up there as soon as possible in the position I believe they should be in.

from Football365

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Well in Ray :nod

by **tubby** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:04 pm

Liverpool must give Roy Hodgson time before turning to Kenny Dalglish
For those lovers of sporting symmetry, Liverpool’s trip to Everton next week would be the ideal moment for the restoration of King Kenny.

For those lovers of sporting symmetry, Liverpool’s trip to Everton next week would be the ideal moment for the restoration of King Kenny.

Goodison Park was the scene of Dalglish’s last match in charge of Liverpool 19 years ago, that madcap 4-4 FA Cup draw that he describes as “like watching a car crash and not knowing which emergency service to call first’’. Yet it is not going to happen.

Not yet anyway. Even as the Kop seethes with mutiny, even chanting “Dalglish’’ as Liverpool’s long slide into mediocrity accelerates, the return of a favoured son to the dug-out would be the obvious get-out for an under-fire board. Dalglish would willingly serve the club he loves in whatever capacity yet the Anfield hierarchy will defiantly stand by their man, Roy Hodgson.

It is hard to see Martin Broughton’s board asking Dalglish to play Red Adair when it has not even honoured its promise to sort out his director of player-development duties. Revealing a lack of understanding of Liverpool’s history and respect for the fans’ icons, Broughton was dismissive of Dalglish’s credentials when the Scot put himself forward for the managerial post in June. Broughton’s credibility, already queried because of his Chelsea connections, is also interwoven with Hodgson’s fortunes.

Yet Steven Gerrard and company could be languishing bottom by the time they run out at Goodison (should West Ham and Wolves prevail). Once a byword for stability, Liverpool are a mess, left palsied by hated American owners.

Liverpool labour with on-field problems inherited from Rafael Benítez and some of Hodgson’s own making, particularly his belief that Christian Poulsen can live with the pace and tempo of the Premier League.

It comes to something when certain respected figures within Anfield would rather see Lucas starting to Poulsen. Kopites would far prefer Jay Spearing’s honest energy in the centre. People talk about Liverpool’s newly porous defence but it has lost much of its protection with Javier Mascherano’s departure. The sitting positions need addressing.

Up front, Fernando Torres’s successive summers of toil (European Championship, Confederations Cup, World Cup) have taken their toll. When the Spaniard’s groin heals, and it is touch and go for Goodison, he needs to raise his game, to give everything in extricating Liverpool from the Mersey mire. Hodgson also cannot field Raul Meireles on the right; the Portuguese is much more effective centrally or off Torres.

Yet the baying hounds must be called off Hodgson. The mantra that any new manager needs time and money holds true. It is ridiculous that a manager of Hodgson’s substance, a coach who has earned plaudits from Serie A to the Premier League via the international arena should be marched towards the public stocks so soon. He deserves more respect.

Hodgson is not some wannabe promoted above his station. He is a hugely-experienced manager who required a few months to impose his tactics on Fulham before they marched so impressively to his tune. Hodgson has survived obstacle courses at clubs before. I remember sitting with him at Appiano Gentile, the day he was appointed in charge of Inter Milan in 1995, and he knew the problems he had to tackle, particularly Paul Ince’s future. A few chats with Ince later and the moody midfielder was onside.

The many pages of his CV prove that Hodgson should be allowed the opportunity to turn this around, a point made by a European Cup-winning Liverpool keeper on Monday. “I can’t believe that two months into the season people are questioning the man,’’ said Ray Clemence, standing on the touchline watching England’s Under-19s at West Brom’s training ground.

“That’s a sad state of affairs. He is the right man. He’s managed at the highest level. As for the pressure, he’s coached in Italy for goodness sake. The problem for Roy is that he came in a little bit too late (in the summer) with very little money to spend. I’m sure he knows the changes that need to be made but his hands are tied probably until Christmas.

“The problem is that the fans are confused. They’ve been having a go at the top people for so long and they don’t appear to want to move, so where do the fans go now? They have a go at the manager, which is sad really because Liverpool fans are the most loyal you can get. The man should be given a chance.’’

Indeed. If Hodgson fails to lift Liverpool up the table following some judicious recruiting in January then the board can legitimately debate the succession.

Dalglish undeniably has unfinished business with Liverpool because his exit was so painful. A character given to internalising emotions, the pressure of dealing with the Hillsborough disaster built within, eventually bringing him out in blotches. His nerves were shot to pieces even before his defence was by Graeme Sharp and Tony Cottee on Feb 20, 1991.

At 10.30 the next morning, Dalglish informed the board of his determination to resign. He talked of feeling his “head exploding’’, of the frequent injections required to quell the blotches and of snapping at the kids. “I’ve got to go,’’ he told the board. “I have a position of responsibility at this football club and I can’t make decisions. I don’t deserve to be here. And you don’t deserve me to be here.’’

It was one of the most emotional days in Liverpool’s long history, the moment when one man walked alone. After a series of talks and, eventually an emergency board meeting, Dalglish disappeared into the sunset. His children were heartbroken, bursting into tears, although perking up when they realised the family was off to Disneyworld. Liverpool have twice wooed him since.

In April 1993, the then chief executive, Peter Robinson, asked him “when are you coming home?’’ Another approach was made in the summer of 1994 but the board got cold feet.

If the Hodgson era does eventually end, and Dalglish returns, he will be motivated by a strong desire to prove a point as well as help out his footballing family. Dalglish has never forgotten being excoriated by columnists like Michael Parkinson for quitting over the “pressure’’ and the allegation that he left Liverpool with an ageing squad, an insult to a man who nurtured Steve McManaman, Jamie Redknapp and Robbie Fowler.

And don’t be kidded by the perception that Dalglish has simply been on the golf course, helping out with his wife’s charity or enjoying Italian meals with Alan Hansen. His passion for football remains undimmed, his knowledge of the domestic and European game remains sharp.

“I don’t think Kenny’s really been out of the game even though he hasn’t managed for so long,’’ added Clemence, his old team-mate. “He’s a football man. I’ve read about Kenny being interested and if he did put himself up (in the summer), it certainly wouldn’t have been a bad decision but then Roy Hodgson wasn’t a bad decision either.’’ True. Liverpool must give Hodgson proper time before turning to Dalglish.

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I think Mr Winter should take that article and stick it up his ars.e the 2 faced zenophibic twa.t.

by **jacdaniel** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:04 pm

Roy thinks he can turn it around.

The boss - voted Manager of the Year by his peers at the League Managers' Association in May - was asked by journalists following our 2-1 defeat to Blackpool whether he had any doubts over his ability to turn things around at Anfield.

He replied: "I don't think you go from being as feted as I was in May to suddenly losing any abilities I have three months later. It's a question that's going to get asked but it shouldn't really be asked by people who've been in football for a long time, because they know that in football you have good moments and bad moments.

"At the end of May I was having fantastic moments and at the end of September I'm having bad moments, but I don't think that after 35 years of coaching I've suddenly lost the abilities that have served me so well."

Meanwhile, Hodgson is not ruling out dipping into the transfer market in January if he feels signings are necessary to improve our league position.

He explained: "We've got to trust in the players because until January we can't do anything about that.

"We changed formation two or three times (against Blackpool), there were several attempts to change things around. We had Dirk Kuyt playing as a front player, then we moved him wide and moved Joe Cole in. We moved Meireles into the centre and brought on another wide player.

"We did what we could with the players we have available at the moment, but we are a little bit short of out-and-out front players at the moment, and of course we lost one of the most important ones near the start of the game."

by **supersub** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:16 pm

aCe' wrote:Oh the boredom !
I for one hope we beat everton.. Dont know about you lot but seems many would be happy if we lost and Roy was sacked as a result..
Fcking disgraceful !

I see no evidence on this forum, in the pubs around the ground or even inside Anfield itself to back up your pathetic comment...

nobody wants us to be beaten by Everton

I can only assume you are bored because you have nothing positive to say about Liverpool and nothing negative to say with regards to any former managers of this club...

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:15 pm

Liverpool Echo 5/10/2010

The two-week international break gives Hodgson plenty of time to contemplate Liverpool’s worst start to a season for 57 years.

However, the boss insists the “psychological blow” of seeing the Reds in the relegation zone for the next fortnight is nothing compared to the problems he encountered when he took over a struggling Fulham side in December 2007.

“I don’t think it matters we will be in the bottom three for the next fortnight,” he added. “The psychological blow of being there after seven games is a damn sight less damaging than being there from game number 18 to game number 36, as I experienced at Fulham.

“I had 18 games in the bottom three – that is psychological damage when you see games running out and the number of points you need getting bigger.”

Another absolute pearl from the current incumbent ....

Do us all a favour fella ...shut the fuck up ... please leave us without your words of wisdom ....because they mock us ,and one thing that rings true above all else is that some people obviously don't need a shovel when digging their own grave .....

by **roberto green** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:20 pm

After having time to calm down from the Nrthampton defeat at home and Blackpool defeat at home I'm prepared to say it would be unfair to sack Roy now.....

I give him to after the derby

by **JBG** » Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:29 pm

supersub wrote:nobody wants us to be beaten by Everton

Actually.........no, I better keep quiet about that one. :lookaround

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