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by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:45 pm

rocky29 wrote:to me nando looks likes hes getting back at the owners for all the broken promises. Id say right now dont play him anymore cos his head has gone. I told u all we should of sold him but u all laughed. Torres is gona make out that were in such a mess he had to leave not because he wanted to leave.

At least as we get sh!tter and sh!tter week by week, month by month, season by season some fans can rejoice in the fact that somewhere amongst their hundreds of posts they prophesised that it could happen.

All anyone is fecking bothered about around here is being able to say "I told you so". I couldn't give a feck what anyone told us, it's the here and now which matters.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:48 pm

The here and now is what a fair number of people have been concentrating on over the last 6 weeks and that's what they have been giving their opinion on .

by **Ciggy** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:50 pm

Spectre of Kenny Dalglish hovers over Roy Hodgson at Liverpool Defeat against Everton on 17 October could see the manager replaced by an Anfield club legend

Roy Hodgson's position as the Liverpool manager is under great pressure following Sunday's defeat to Blackpool.

It is Saturday, 16 October, and the eve of the first Merseyside derby of the season. There is a collective hangover in the red half of the city in response to the Royal Bank of Scotland ending the toxic reign of Tom Hicks and George Gillett the previous day and Roy Hodgson is invited to meet Liverpool's ambitious and solvent new owners. This is all fantasy. He is asked why he should continue as manager if his side lose at Goodison Park. This is not fantasy. This is the question legitimately being asked by Liverpool supporters right now.

The Kop's call for Kenny Dalglish towards the end of Sunday's home defeat by Blackpool represented a seismic moment in Liverpool's history. A support that prides itself on patience and loyalty humiliated its manager after 14 matches in charge. This is a position treated with reverence at Anfield and has prompted outright revolt only once – against Graeme Souness – since Bill Shankly "made the people happy". There is no connection with Hodgson, and Hodgson has offered nothing to warrant the affections of Anfield. Quite the reverse in fact, and the tide may feel irreversible if Liverpool endure further misery at Everton.

Anfield was braced for its primal scream on Sunday. Three debt-laden years under Hicks and Gillett have created a trickle-down effect and protests are no longer confined to the streets outside the stadium or to US businessmen. That is not simply due to a series of pitiful performances, many Hodgson has defended, but because the 63-year-old is emblematic of the club's decline and has hardened suspicions that he was appointed by the managing director, Christian Purslow, for reasons of compliability. Or to "steady the ship", as the club's chairman Martin Broughton put it.

Liverpool spent £9m to change their manager this summer (agreeing a £6m pay-off with Rafael Benítez and paying £3m compensation to Fulham for Hodgson), a hefty sum for any club. For £9m you would expect improvement in the manager's chair but Purslow replaced a European Cup and La Liga winner with a man whose CV is more impressive for the destinations travelled than trophies lifted.

Whatever one thought of Benítez, and it is a personal view that he was moved to ease the torturous sale process, it is hard to disagree with his recent assessment of the Anfield hierarchy. "The last year at Liverpool I had directors who knew nothing about football and you couldn't talk about football with them," he said.

At his unveiling on 1 July, Hodgson was asked if he had accepted an impossible job. He rejected the notion in an accomplished, refreshingly honest press conference that did not set the tone for subsequent performances. Eleven years after his last caretaker stint at Internazionale, and nine since his last trophy, a Danish league and cup double with Copenhagen, it was certainly true that he had been presented with a glorious managerial opportunity. And equally true that it is being squandered.

Negative tactics home and away, new signings looking out of their depth or played out of position (£5m Christian Poulsen and £11.7m Raul Meireles respectively) and poor individual contributions from the likes of Fernando Torres and Glen Johnson have not given the impression of a steady pair of hands. There have also been several PR errors of astonishing naivety. Dismissing the Spirit of Shankly and those whose love for Liverpool is now an exercise in protest and business studies as "a group of people" was one way of alienating the hardcore. Not a wise move when the majority of Liverpool supporters were ambivalent towards his appointment to begin with, and many view his reign as a short-term assignment en route to the England job in 2012.

Veiled criticism of Torres's form before the Blackpool game may have been justified, but it will not help his rapport with an increasingly disillusioned striker. Refusing to take his friend Sir Alex Ferguson to task on his Torres claim after the loss at Old Trafford, and giving the impression that what is good enough for Fulham should suffice at Liverpool, have also been noted.

In the background looms Dalglish, a club legend who was asked to consider the candidates to replace Benítez this summer, did so, and promptly submitted his own application. Purslow and Broughton rejected the chance to restore cohesion between the dugout and the stands. The Kop's call on Sunday can be viewed as condemnation both of Hodgson's team and of the events surrounding his appointment. Dalglish is affordable and available, two qualities that surely deserve greater consideration by a board seeking to install new owners and who will not want the cost or embarrassment of another change. There is a Newcastle and Kevin Keegan messianic aspect to a Dalglish return at Anfield, who made it known during recent promotion for his latest autobiography that he "feels I've got a debt to repay".

Deep-rooted problems mean there is no easy way back for Liverpool, whoever is in charge. But for Hodgson to keep the spectre of Dalglish at bay and to deliver a convincing case for his employment under a new regime, he needs to deliver at Goodison in 13 days' time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal....verpool

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:02 pm

He is doing more harm than good ..needs to walk away now while he can marginally still retain his dignity ... because what I witnessed in the kop ....the time for suffering fools is now over the crowd know it, Hodgson knows it, and I shudder to think if these turgid displays are allowed to continue the history of Liverpool will have to be rewritten to include a spell in the lower leagues in the next few years .... Yes the performances are that bad ... surely if only for the sake of the man still being in demand for those seminars he conducts all over Europe ,he needs to walk away and definitely not walk on ... the man's style of play is so alien to Liverpool.. Anfield now has a crop circle.....

by **Ciggy** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:10 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:the man's style of play is so alien to Liverpool.. Anfield now has a crop circle.....

by **rocky29** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:17 pm

tell me if im wrong the owners do not want kenny in charge so they wont let that happen for as long as there here.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:18 pm

Ciggy wrote:The Kop's call for Kenny Dalglish towards the end of Sunday's home defeat by Blackpool represented a seismic moment in Liverpool's history. A support that prides itself on patience and loyalty humiliated its manager after 14 matches in charge. This is a position treated with reverence at Anfield and has prompted outright revolt only once – against Graeme Souness – since Bill Shankly "made the people happy". There is no connection with Hodgson, and Hodgson has offered nothing to warrant the affections of Anfield. Quite the reverse in fact, and the tide may feel irreversible if Liverpool endure further misery at Everton.

This says it all for me Kid

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:21 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Ciggy wrote:The Kop's call for Kenny Dalglish towards the end of Sunday's home defeat by Blackpool represented a seismic moment in Liverpool's history. A support that prides itself on patience and loyalty humiliated its manager after 14 matches in charge. This is a position treated with reverence at Anfield and has prompted outright revolt only once – against Graeme Souness – since Bill Shankly "made the people happy". There is no connection with Hodgson, and Hodgson has offered nothing to warrant the affections of Anfield. Quite the reverse in fact, and the tide may feel irreversible if Liverpool endure further misery at Everton.

This says it all for me Kid

But werent a majority also chanting for Rafa Benitez before Roy even got a chance in the Arsenal game?

Yeah, to me that speaks volumes.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:25 pm

Only thing i dont agree with is booing ,well its not that i dont agree but ive never done it meself to anyone apart from the oppo . but that just me, i can understand though why its happening though

by **rocky29** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:26 pm

bigmick wrote:
rocky29 wrote:to me nando looks likes hes getting back at the owners for all the broken promises. Id say right now dont play him anymore cos his head has gone. I told u all we should of sold him but u all laughed. Torres is gona make out that were in such a mess he had to leave not because he wanted to leave.

At least as we get sh!tter and sh!tter week by week, month by month, season by season some fans can rejoice in the fact that somewhere amongst their hundreds of posts they prophesised that it could happen.

All anyone is fecking bothered about around here is being able to say "I told you so". I couldn't give a feck what anyone told us, it's the here and now which matters.

poulsen is sh!ite i told u so!

by **Ciggy** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:31 pm

This is gathering pace now.

Kenny Dalglish: The case for the Liverpool legend to return

The desire among those who stand on The Kop is to see it start where it ended so painfully more than 19 years earlier; to see Kenny Dalglish return to the scene of his last act as Liverpool manager.

The club's next match is the stuff of nightmares for Roy Hodgson and an alarmingly inexperienced board of directors trying to navigate the club through a major crisis.

It is a trip to Goodison Park, for an encounter with an Everton side that, despite their early season problems, look to be in much better order than their illustrious neighbours.

They have a better manager and a better team, and come Sunday week they might even have been facing a Liverpool side at the very bottom of the Barclays Premier League had the two teams below them not been playing each other the day before.

For Dalglish, however, it might not seem so daunting because going back to Goodison would be a chance to finally address some unfinished business.

To scratch an itch that has been troubling him for the best part of two decades.

It was after a 4-4 draw at Goodison on February 20, 1991, a cup-tie Dalglish said in his latest memoirs was 'like watching a car-crash and not knowing which emergency service to call first', that he decided he could not continue.

That he feared for his health, and for his family, because of the stress that had been building since Hillsborough.

'The nation's amateur psychologists claimed it was the stress and strain of that extraordinary game that tipped me over the precipice. It wasn't. My nerves were shredded long before then,' he said.

The next day he walked into Anfield, his body covered in a rash, and informed the hierarchy of his decision, complaining that he felt his head was 'exploding'.

His resignation was reluctantly accepted. But Peter Robinson, then the club's all-powerful secretary, urged him to take a sabbatical and return the following season. Dalglish's wife, Marina, spoke to Tom Saunders, also by then on the board, and urged them to leave it a couple of weeks. She said once her husband had taken a holiday with his family, he would be fit to return to work.

It was while Dalglish was still in Florida that Graeme Souness was appointed. And soon after Robinson had suggested to Dalglish, by then at Blackburn, that it was time he 'came home' as Souness's replacement three years later, he was left surprised and disappointed for a second time. Roy Evans was promoted to the role of manager.

Anfield insiders on Monday insisted there was little chance of Dalglish, 59, returning this time, even after the greatest player in the club's history had the courage to put himself forward as a candidate in the wake of Rafa Benitez's exit.

Even after he took one look at the candidates he was asked to consider as a member of the selection committee - with Hodgson among them - and said he was a better alternative.

That he was dismissed as an option as disrespectfully as he was by chairman Martin Broughton pretty much summed up the sad state of affairs at Anfield. A club being run into the ground by men with a head for business but not football.

The chairman of British Airways, Broughton was appointed to wrestle the club from the grasp of American owners and into safer hands; not to determine who should be hired to resuscitate a stuttering team.

In Dalglish they had a man not only four years Hodgson's junior but with the club in his blood; someone who would have even accepted the role on a temporary basis and stepped aside when the club was in a position to recruit one of Europe's leading managers.

As Ray Clemence said, it matters not that Dalglish has not managed for 10 years.

Kenny's never been out of the game,' said the former keeper who won two European Cups with Dalglish.

'He's been working behind the scenes, he's a football man.

'I've read about Kenny being interested and if he did put himself up, it certainly wouldn't have been a bad decision.'

Clemence went on to say he 'didn't think Roy Hodgson was a bad decision either', adding that he thought it premature for the fans to turn against him.

But today Broughton and his colleagues still have to reflect on Liverpool's worst start to a season in 57 years, and the £20million they have seen Hodgson waste on players like Raul Meireles, Christian Poulsen and Paul Konchesky.

And the fact that the same fans who never rose against Benitez, who have proved so loyal to all their managers over the years, have decided after seven Premier League matches that Hodgson must go.

'Dalglish, Dalglish,' they chanted as their side crumbled against Blackpool.

The least someone should do is listen.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport....QoLgzEo

by **aCe'** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:38 pm

Oh the boredom !
I for one hope we beat everton.. Dont know about you lot but seems many would be happy if we lost and Roy was sacked as a result..
Fcking disgraceful !

by **burjennio** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:41 pm

aCe' wrote:Oh the boredom !
I for one hope we beat everton.. Dont know about you lot but seems many would be happy if we lost and Roy was sacked as a result..
Fcking disgraceful !

Its like choosing between a punch in the face and a bullet in the head!

Im pretty sure my alcohol consumption is gonna go through the roof over the next two weeks

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:45 pm

Kharhaz wrote:But werent a majority also chanting for Rafa Benitez before Roy even got a chance in the Arsenal game?

Yeah, to me that speaks volumes.

Really ...what speaks volumes for me is you had to ask ....
and still feel your qualified to proffer an opinion

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:47 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:But werent a majority also chanting for Rafa Benitez before Roy even got a chance in the Arsenal game?

Yeah, to me that speaks volumes.

Really ...what speaks volumes for me is you had to ask ....
and still feel your qualified to proffer an opinion

Yeah, its helping. Read my post earlier, im venting !

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