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by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:25 pm

every game is massive, not just the next 2 or 3 or 10. i recall the days where our opponents would drop points which would've given us the chance to extend our lead over them, and we would drop points ourselves :angry:

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:27 pm

dawson99 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
maguskwt wrote:The next two games is absolutely crucial, I've always demanded the win from rafa, and I'll demand the same from Roy! And if we do lose I'll look at the circumstances and defend the manager if I have to. What justifies lowering our expectations. The rafa bashers have said Roy will be an improvement but now they're getting into positions to make excuses. You know you are guilty of things that you accused others of now. Feckin hypocrits...

It's a strange thing, feeling that so early on, these next two games are so massive for us. And I agree with you on it. I've low expectations. I'd be surprised if we pick up 4 points.

Id be ecstatic if we picked up 4 points, 2 very tough games

Yep i think that would be a great result 4 points from the two games - would prefer the three points to be won against the mancs if im being picky :;):

by **metalhead** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:35 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:I'm sorry but please do explain why I should be banned or be given a card . For years people like you Mick has been saying the buck stops with the manager and he is the one who shoulders the blame ? Have things changed now where if things don't go right you don't blame the manager .

This comes from a person who refused to blame the manager for last season's dismal campaign, all the fault was on the owners and the players

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:45 pm

metalhead wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:I'm sorry but please do explain why I should be banned or be given a card . For years people like you Mick has been saying the buck stops with the manager and he is the one who shoulders the blame ? Have things changed now where if things don't go right you don't blame the manager .

This comes from a person who refused to blame the manager for last season's dismal campaign, all the fault was on the owners and the players

Umm i think you will find i blamed the players and the manager for last season . Everyone was wanting to solely blame just the manager where as i was saying that the players should shoulder a fair proportion of the blame . The same as this season will be if things dont go right

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:41 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Rafa has gone - no need to bring him up all time - move on

Yes he has. Thank fu'ck!
Youre right
Lets move on
:laugh:

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:56 pm

Feck me this discussion has gone stale. Roll on Sunday, when we can at least discuss in the context of a match. :sleep

by **dawson99** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:05 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Feck me this discussion has gone stale. Roll on Sunday, when we can at least discuss in the context of a match.

Apparently it's a very important game bob :nod

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:21 pm

Correct Dawson :nod

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:27 pm

I think we have to win it or we turn into fulham...?
:cool:

by **maguskwt** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:14 am

Thommo's perm wrote:I think we have to win it or we turn into fulham...?

we have to win it because we are LFC... it's as simple as that... doesn't matter who the manager is...

by **maguskwt** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:23 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:It's a strange thing, feeling that so early on, these next two games are so massive for us. And I agree with you on it. I've low expectations. I'd be surprised if we pick up 4 points.

Id be ecstatic if we picked up 4 points, 2 very tough games

Yep i think that would be a great result 4 points from the two games - would prefer the three points to be won against the mancs if im being picky

yup I'd take 4 pts as well... If i were Roy my strategy for the league would be to get wins as much as possible against lesser oppositions and to get at least draws against rivals... if we can do that we will be fine...

by **Ciggy** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:32 am

We need atleast 4 points from the next two games, if we go into administration on the 6th of October and get docked 9 points, we are fecked if we dont have that many.

by **bigmick** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:00 am

We don't NEED at least anything, we could seriously do with maximum points from every game, but we don't NEED them. As for administration, if we do go into it (which we won't I'm pretty sure of that) then we will be docked a load of points. That will be the case whether we win at Old Trafford, draw at Old Trafford or get beat 6-0 at Old Trafford. Obviously if we get docked a load of points, Europe is going to be out of the question and simply staying in the Premiership will be the target.

For the moment though I'm going to try and be sensible, others can please themselves. Birmingham Away and Manchester United Away are extremely difficult matches, and neither will define our season whether we win them or lose them. I'll still think Roy is the right man for the job even if we lose both matches, and no doubt the lynch mob will still say "Birmingham were understrength" and we were "lucky against Man Utd", or "we didn't actually play that well" even if we win both.

There's two things I can't understand about the whole dynamic of this debate. Number one, unlike players, judging a new manager after a few matches is completely ridiculous. If we win at Old Trafford and Saint Andrews, is Roy the new Shankly? Of course he isn't, it's just two matches. If we finish fourth this season is Roy the new Paisley? Of course he isn't, it's only his first season. By the same token, if we finish seventh this season is Roy the new Glen Roeder? No, it's his first season and he needs time like all managers.

The second thing is the irony of the whole thing. I must have been told so many times on here that I have "a short memory" and that "Rafa gave us the greatest night of our lives". Don't people remember how bad we were in the league in Rafa's first season? We got it together a bit around the end of November, but my memory tells me we were mass rotating in the league and had no form whatsoever. If we'd have used the same lynch mob criteria in judging our previous manager as some are intent on using for this one, he'd have been long gone before "the greatest night of our lives" ever happened.

Quite simply, unless you are Jesus Christ you don't take over a team which finished 7th the previous season and lost 19 matches, got nowhere near a cup final of any description and played sh!te football all year and then turn them into Barcelona in three matches. I know that doesn't fit in with the fantasy football mentality of some posters on here, but that I'm afraid is the reality.

Looking on the bright side, I actually think we will win at Birmingham. We don't HAVE to, but I think we will. I also think we've got a shot at getting a result at Old Trafford. That's just me though, positive as ever.

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:09 am

Well we got 1 point from the 2 fixtures last season so that shows how difficult these two games are.
I am going on Sunday so cant wait and i am also optimistic that we can win there.
If we dont like mick said it will be a set back, but that's all it will be.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:38 am

I would say loosing on away goals in extra time during a cup semi final is pretty close to getting to a cup final . It's also quite funny that the people who keep saying Rafa is gone get over it are the ones who keep bringing him up and last season to some way justify anything the new manager does . Some people do believe the next two games will go a long way to show how our season goes and some people do believe we need positive results from those two games to install a bit of confidence into the squad and to ensure we keep in touch with our rivals - some people think that if we didn't get positive results that it isn't good to have such a big gap between us and our rivals so early on in the season is not a good thing and would ensure the pressure starts mounting on the club . Not one of these people have ever suggested that the managers job is on line if we don't get positive results . Also some of these people don't want another 7th place finish and was under the understanding that the new manager would improve things - hence the reason spending 9 million bringing a new manager in . I would suggest that other people stop going on about previous season and concentrate on the current season we are in and the uphill battle we face getting back into the cl .

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