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by **Ciggy** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:26 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:The reference to Johnson was more to do with the fact that the previous manager didnt just sign someone with an exotic name .

Ill have you know our Glo-Jo's real name is

Glen mcleod Cooper Johnson so there :rasp

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:26 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:

Have you ever seen salcido play ?

To be fair, mate, Ethan may have a point. I say that having seen Salcido play a few times in a couple of World Cups now and thinking he looked a talented LB with a howitzer left boot. But, as we know, there's no guarantee that his international form will translate to club form in the Premier League (I don't have a clue how he got on at PSV). If he tears up the league for Fulham while Konchesky struggles to step up for us you will be well within your rights to say you called it from the start. But, I think there's at least some possibility that we might have made the shrewder purchase--football's a funny old game, after all. Time will tell one way or the other, as with all things. I think it's just prudent to wait and see Konchesky play a few games for us first before we start suggesting he's out of his depth.

by **ethanr** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:30 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
ethanr wrote:The difference between Koncheskey and GJ is about 15 million pounds though.. so you can't even legitimately put up any comparison there.

Also, Salcido isn't better than Koncheskey. Mexicans can't play in the premier league. They are bought on high expectations and then crash. Look at dos santos and chicharito. dos santos has been horrible for spurs and chicharito is just being talked up out of his socks, but has proven nothing in any important games yet. The only recent decent mexican to be successful out of the mexican leagues is Rafa Marquez, who now plays for New York redbulls.

I think it's good to sign Koncheskey only to put a bit of pressure on Agger and Aurelio, and have a good replacement if Agger's hurt. You can't trust Aurelio's fitness level.

Have you ever seen salcido play ?

The reference to Johnson was more to do with the fact that the previous manager didnt just sign someone with an exotic name .

Yes I have watched him play. way more than I would like to have seen him play, remember I'm an American, meaning I watch a lot of the mexican games.

He wasn't bad for his country but club and country are two different things.

Though I will admit, I'm somewhat bias. I HATE MEXICO

by **ethanr** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:31 pm

and Bob is right.

If he does well and Koncheskey doesn't, than you win.f

Though I'll probably never admit if he does do well

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:39 pm

So his games for PSV were televised over there

Bob Fulham got him for 1.5 mil we spent 4 mil on Konchesky .

by **dawson99** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:42 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:So his games for PSV were televised over there

Bob Fulham got him for 1.5 mil we spent 4 mil on Konchesky .

Is that official, 4 million?

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:45 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:So his games for PSV were televised over there

Bob Fulham got him for 1.5 mil we spent 4 mil on Konchesky .

Sure, mate, but it's about how well they perform surely? 1.5 million may be a steal or a rip-off depending on what he does on the pitch. Same's true for 4 million.

by **ethanr** » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:51 pm

The whole point is this.. We really didn't take much of a risk in buying Koncheskey. He's played in the prem for a while and held his own. He's now playing for a better club as well, which usually makes it easier for people to perform better. There will be much less pressure on him at Liverpool

salcido is coming from psv, who are a good club. So, not only is he switching from the much less physical dutch league, but he's switching from one of the best teams in the league, to a mediocre team in the prem.

Not only do I think he won't be able to stand up to the physicality of the prem, but there will be so much more pressure on him considering he is playing for a mid table team, then when he was at PSV, playing for one of the best teams.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:27 am

ethanr wrote:The whole point is this.. We really didn't take much of a risk in buying Koncheskey. He's played in the prem for a while and held his own. He's now playing for a better club as well, which usually makes it easier for people to perform better. There will be much less pressure on him at Liverpool

salcido is coming from psv, who are a good club. So, not only is he switching from the much less physical dutch league, but he's switching from one of the best teams in the league, to a mediocre team in the prem.

Not only do I think he won't be able to stand up to the physicality of the prem, but there will be so much more pressure on him considering he is playing for a mid table team, then when he was at PSV, playing for one of the best teams.

Think you have that the wrong way round - there will be far more pressure on Konchesky than he has ever had before - where as salcido going to a smaller club will feel less pressure .

by **ethanr** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:47 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
ethanr wrote:The whole point is this.. We really didn't take much of a risk in buying Koncheskey. He's played in the prem for a while and held his own. He's now playing for a better club as well, which usually makes it easier for people to perform better. There will be much less pressure on him at Liverpool

salcido is coming from psv, who are a good club. So, not only is he switching from the much less physical dutch league, but he's switching from one of the best teams in the league, to a mediocre team in the prem.

Not only do I think he won't be able to stand up to the physicality of the prem, but there will be so much more pressure on him considering he is playing for a mid table team, then when he was at PSV, playing for one of the best teams.

Think you have that the wrong way round - there will be far more pressure on Konchesky than he has ever had before - where as salcido going to a smaller club will feel less pressure .

We are talking about two different types of pressure here man haha.

You are talking about the pressure to do well, you can't screw up at Liverpool.

I'm talking about the pressure every time he gets the ball. When you play for Fulham, and have the ball, you don't have as much time as you play for Liverpool. You are more attacking on Liverpool, and more defensive on Fulham. So with Liverpool, I think he will have more time- less physical pressure from the opposition- and as long as he can cope with the mental expectations, I think he will be more successful than salcido will at fulham.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:11 am

Number 9 wrote:People need to look at the reality,Insua was a terrible defender,goodish going forward but a liability all the same.....Aurelio could be good if he stay fit but he just cant!

Given the funds available and the fact that left backs are as rare as hens teeth,its a good signing,a solid signing!Yeah we would all love an Ashley Cole type in there but its not practical given our financial status and the fact the club is in limbo until we get the cancer out.

Im a plumber....I would love to drive a ferrari but I cant afford one...so I stick with what I can afford.
You can want better but until you can afford better....you get what you can!
Stop whinging about Roy signing someone "not good enough for LFC" and open your eyes.....theres a very valid reason why we are signing players of this calibre(two reasons in fact).........its not Roys fault,in fact he has done a great job in the window with what he had to play with!

A plumber not driving a ferrari?
You must be doing it wrong!
:laugh:

by **In and Out** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:47 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:If someone had suggested that when Rafa left ...the quality of the players we would entice to the club would be akin to Konchesky and his ilk ,we would have been ridiculed and subsequently laughed of the forum ... yet now we are expected to accept this type of distinctly average player and consider it a decent acquisition .... pardon me if I don't reciprocate the views of the posters who expect him to move Liverpool up a level ....he wont I fervently know he will be beaten for pace time and time again ...I also believe he is considerably less aggressive in the tackle than certain posters would have you believe ..... so no I am not happy with this signing ,in truth I am positively baulking at the price we had to pay for an over the hill player who was never anything more than ok at Fulham ,but this isn't Fulham this is Liverpool and I think playing LB at Liverpool is on a completely different stratosphere than fucking Fulham ..... he will be so out of his depth he may even merit my sympathy ..........

Stall the ball squire,

You've been talking up Mucas Lucas for long enough, as well as watching players like Insua, N'gog make our starting eleven recently. Those who refer to Rafa's regime (i.e. yourself), have been satisfied with mediocrisy for long enough, hence the reason it was time for a change.

by **In and Out** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:50 am

Bad Bob wrote:
andy_g wrote:i don't see any difference really. rafa brought in some top players - alonso, reina, torres etc etc - and he also bought in a few cheap and average (or below average) players to fill in the gaps. roy is doing the same, he's brought in quality with cole and mereiles and is filling in a gap or two with players like konchesky. to be honest though, i prefer to sign a player for 3 or 4 million who we at least know can function consistently in this league than waste money on proper rubbish like degen, kronkamp and the like.

we are looking for improvement in the squad and we have to accept its going to come slowly for a while. but at least as far as left backs go we are more solid with konchesky and aurelio than we were with insua and aurelio.

Agreed, Andy. I can understand some people's disappointment to a certain extent, as Konchesky is never going to be a star-calibre type of signing. But, to suggest that he's a joke of a player or that Roy has plumbed depths that Rafa would never have dreamed of doing with this signing is utter nonsense. Rafa unquestionably signed his share of dross during his time as manager (amongst the undisputed quality players he did bring in). In fact, making reference to Rafa in relation to this particular signing is hardly clever considering the last left back Benitez signed. After all, if Konchesky's a joke and a 'stratosphere' below the level of Liverpool Football Club, how deep exactly should we be digging to find Andrea Dossena's level?

Spot on Bob!

The Dross quality signing that! Oh how dare Roy plunge to new depths.

by **ethanr** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:06 pm

As long as players like Ngog, Babel and Insua break our starting 11, we won't qualify for the champions league.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:43 pm

I am going to buck the trend and kick the proverbial soap box away from our resident preachers ,and issue a complete an utter refusal to believe any plaudits on Konchesky that certain posters are trying to repetitively force feed us ....
I don't believe he is good enough for Liverpool ,and all things given I think I have been relatively vocal expressing that ,you see what I find strange is the fact that as a season ticket holder for 26 yrs (albeit from last season )I think that sufficiently qualifies me being able to deliver my own honest opinion on a player ...even if that decision results in posters being aghast at my summary.
I would also like to add ...I have been relatively supportive of Roy ,I even had the notion of jumping a board the happy bus ,and sitting myself down next to our more Carefree (Disillusioned ) posters on their intrepid journey....
Its this Konchesky situation and the posters that find my complete dislike and distrust over this acquisition so baffling ,that they feel the need to smash away at their keyboard until posters succumb to their perpetual nagging .....
So one last time for the record ...... I don't rate Konchesky and I despair at our complete and utter incompetence and subsequent failure in signing a striker .... that would in part have made reaching the Top four a lot more comfortable .... and no amount of spiel from posters who have in all probability never stepped a foot inside Anfield will alter my views one iota ......

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