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[bigmick]

If the previous manager would of bought someone with an exotic name as a left back does that mean the last full back has another name as opposed to Glen Johnson ? Confused . I'll give you another left back who is better and cheaper - the guy fulham bought to replace him - salcido . Our transfer dealings this summer have been a mixture of good and poor IMO . We have also failed to once again failed to sign a striker - Konchesky is a lower team journey man who is at an age where he won't improve as a player - he is ok , he would of been someone to come in and be a decent back up - it shows how far we have come with our finances when he is our first choice . I want better players but realise we can't get them . We better hope that Torres stays fit or we are going to sit mid table . Last season people said we shouldn't accept mediocrity where as now it seems we have to embrace it . I don't need to see how Konchesky does to realise he is nothing more than ok as he has been playing in the prem for many years now and if he was more than ok then other top teams would of picked him up by now .

Benny I'm on about budget signings. Rafa rightly or wrongly went for overseas players as fillers most of the time, and surely you'd agree he would never have signed Konchesky. That's exactly my point, you think the fact he wouldn't have signed Konchevsky is proof positive that our ex manager had more sense, whereas predictably I don't agree with that. Now pretty soon one of us will be able to say we called it right on this occasion, and this particular call will be pivotal IMHO as to how Roy's initial period as our manager is judged. If Poulsen bombs out, people will forget it in time. If Konchevsky bombs out, people will still be saying "Paul fecking Konchevsky" for years to come.

[bigmick]

Obviously one manager is better than the other but if you have no funds you have no Kwality

I wouldn't say obviously better. I know Roy's started very well but I wouldn't go as far as saying "obviously" just yet.

I am saying this based on achievements and Rafa has achieved alot more in his shorter spell in management. Even though I support Roy I think Rafa will be the better manager but as I say that's just my opinion.

Oh so you are saying RAFA is the better manager Sorry mate, got the wrong end of the stick. I much prefer Roy but there you go.

[Benny The Noon]

Obviously one manager is better than the other but if you have no funds you have no Kwality

I wouldn't say obviously better. I know Roy's started very well but I wouldn't go as far as saying "obviously" just yet.

Like any manager, he needs time to adjust to his new situation which means realistically at least 6-12 months.

Anyone who imagines they can constructively assess the guy after a few weeks is dreaming.

Unfortunatly Reg with the way it is in football added with the expectations of fans,owners, players etc not many players/managers get time to get things working .

In the prem we have been poor - we got a draw through grit in first game against a team missing their two best players , we then got thumped in the next game against a rival and the last game we got away with it as the team (newly promoted and recently thumped 6 nil by chelsea ) didnt have the quality to take the chance they created themselves and we were at home . Other teams wont let us off the hook easily - we cant go into the next to games against both Brum and Man Utd playing the same way as we will come away with no points and then it is a massive uphill struggle . We have to see a change in the next game or the pressure mounts - unfortunatly thats the way it is in football now .

[Benny The Noon]

Obviously one manager is better than the other but if you have no funds you have no Kwality

I wouldn't say obviously better. I know Roy's started very well but I wouldn't go as far as saying "obviously" just yet.

I am saying this based on achievements and Rafa has achieved alot more in his shorter spell in management. Even though I support Roy I think Rafa will be the better manager but as I say that's just my opinion.

Oh so you are saying RAFA is the better manager Sorry mate, got the wrong end of the stick. I much prefer Roy but there you go.

You still not answered the question about the "ordinary record " still interested to know what you think of Hodgsons record when you said our previous managers was ordinary .

Forget any long paragraphs or anything like that - just one word will do - you call previous ordinary - what would you call our current managers

[dawson99]

Everyones record has to start somewhere mate, maybe you should try supporting the current manager and thinking this is the beginning... also every manager lives by his previous season. You can be outstanding a few years ago, but you gotta keep that going... but this is for another thread

[Benny The Noon]

Everyones record has to start somewhere mate, maybe you should try supporting the current manager and thinking this is the beginning... also every manager lives by his previous season. You can be outstanding a few years ago, but you gotta keep that going... but this is for another thread

Every record starts somewhere ?! This isnt some new to management guy we are talking about - he has been a football manager for over 20 years . If every manager lives by his previous season then were exactly did Fulham finish last season ?

People can try and rewrite history as much as they want - they can try and paint a lovely picture and paper over things but both managers records are there for all to see and its plain to see which manager has been the more successful (and in a shorter period of time )

Oh i do think its a beginning dawson - but not a beginning of anything i like . And so far our performances arent encourging me to think otherwise .

As been stated many times before by many people - you are allowed to be critical of players and manager - if you are it doesnt mean you dont support the players and manager .

Hopefully one day that will sink in with people .

I dont rate Konchesky one single bit - watching him over the last 8 years in the prem show me that i dont think he is good enough - but that doesnt mean i wont support him .

[Ciggy]

Everyones record has to start somewhere mate,

Hes friggen 63 daws if it hasnt started by now it never will.

Im a bit undecided by Konchesky 2 England caps for a 30 year old doesnt say much for him really.  I dont mind him as BACKUP for a better player but we havent got one so I suppose he will have to do for now lets hope he is given licence to get forward along with glo-jo.

[dawson99]

Everyones record has to start somewhere mate,

Hes friggen 63 daws if it hasnt started by now it nevere will.

Im a bit undecided by Konchesky 2 England caps for a 30 year old doesnt say much for him really.  I dont mind him as BACKUP for a better player but we havent got one so I suppose he will have to do for now lets hope he is given licence to get forward along with glo-jo.

63 is nothing, hes only about 2 years older than Scholes!!!

Konchesky though is a good buy, he's stable, he'll hopefulyl help us develop; a back 4 that work together more often and get to know each other.

As for managers, I'll leave that for another thread (im not having a go, im as bad as anyone, we're all at it)

but, if we think its a good buy or a bad buy, we'll all want him to do well

[ethanr]

At this early stage Konchesky appears to be THE player who is the absolute epitome of the ideological difference between those who are happy to have Roy as manager, and those who really aren't if they're honest. On the one hand you have some people like myself who are more than happy to embrace the improving journeyman, the good pro who can do a good solid job, the perhaps limited but extremely motivated trier who hopefully won't let us down. On the other hand, you have those who crave the more lauded talents, the exotic and the interesting, the proven or the expensive but who have the potential to be World beaters.

Would Rafa have signed Konchesky? Not in a million years no. he would have bought somebody from overseas and there are those who think given a budget of 4 million quid he would have got somebody better than the ex Fulham man. Others like myself aren't so sure, and are happy to take the safer option, the proven Premiership performer who ought to settle relatively quickly.

Like I say, I've got a feeling that it is the Konchesky signing above perhaps all the others which will be the true barometer of Roys first season. If the ex fulham man proves to be as bad as some on here would have you believe, it'll be held up as a prime example of a manager out his depth buying players who are in the same situation. If on the other hand Konchesky proves to be an astute aquisition, then it could be that such purchases will be viewed with more confidence going forward.

Personally I'm happy for it to be so. I take Konchesky to prove the doubters totally wrong and to be a revelation.

If the previous manager would of bought someone with an exotic name as a left back does that mean the last full back has another name as opposed to Glen Johnson ? Confused . I'll give you another left back who is better and cheaper - the guy fulham bought to replace him - salcido . Our transfer dealings this summer have been a mixture of good and poor IMO . We have also failed to once again failed to sign a striker - Konchesky is a lower team journey man who is at an age where he won't improve as a player - he is ok , he would of been someone to come in and be a decent back up - it shows how far we have come with our finances when he is our first choice . I want better players but realise we can't get them . We better hope that Torres stays fit or we are going to sit mid table . Last season people said we shouldn't accept mediocrity where as now it seems we have to embrace it . I don't need to see how Konchesky does to realise he is nothing more than ok as he has been playing in the prem for many years now and if he was more than ok then other top teams would of picked him up by now .

The difference between Koncheskey and GJ is about 15 million pounds though.. so you can't even legitimately put up any comparison there.

Also, Salcido isn't better than Koncheskey.  Mexicans can't play in the premier league.  They are bought on high expectations and then crash.  Look at dos santos and chicharito.  dos santos has been horrible for spurs and chicharito is just being talked up out of his socks, but has proven nothing in any important games yet.  The only recent decent mexican to be successful out of the mexican leagues is Rafa Marquez, who now plays for New York redbulls.

I think it's good to sign Koncheskey only to put a bit of pressure on Agger and Aurelio, and have a good replacement if Agger's hurt.  You can't trust Aurelio's fitness level.

[Benny The Noon]

Everyones record has to start somewhere mate,

Hes friggen 63 daws if it hasnt started by now it nevere will.

Im a bit undecided by Konchesky 2 England caps for a 30 year old doesnt say much for him really.  I dont mind him as BACKUP for a better player but we havent got one so I suppose he will have to do for now lets hope he is given licence to get forward along with glo-jo.

63 is nothing, hes only about 2 years older than Scholes!!!

Konchesky though is a good buy, he's stable, he'll hopefulyl help us develop; a back 4 that work together more often and get to know each other.

As for managers, I'll leave that for another thread (im not having a go, im as bad as anyone, we're all at it)

but, if we think its a good buy or a bad buy, we'll all want him to do well

yes we all want him to do well

What do you mean by develop ?

[dawson99]

Everyones record has to start somewhere mate, maybe you should try supporting the current manager and thinking this is the beginning... also every manager lives by his previous season. You can be outstanding a few years ago, but you gotta keep that going... but this is for another thread

Every record starts somewhere ?! This isnt some new to management guy we are talking about - he has been a football manager for over 20 years . If every manager lives by his previous season then were exactly did Fulham finish last season ?

People can try and rewrite history as much as they want - they can try and paint a lovely picture and paper over things but both managers records are there for all to see and its plain to see which manager has been the more successful (and in a shorter period of time )

Oh i do think its a beginning dawson - but not a beginning of anything i like . And so far our performances arent encourging me to think otherwise .

As been stated many times before by many people - you are allowed to be critical of players and manager - if you are it doesnt mean you dont support the players and manager .

Hopefully one day that will sink in with people .

I dont rate Konchesky one single bit - watching him over the last 8 years in the prem show me that i dont think he is good enough - but that doesnt mean i wont support him .

who do you rate tho mate? To be honest you make eyeore look like hes on non stop uppers. You must be a fun guy to have abeer with

[Benny The Noon]

At this early stage Konchesky appears to be THE player who is the absolute epitome of the ideological difference between those who are happy to have Roy as manager, and those who really aren't if they're honest. On the one hand you have some people like myself who are more than happy to embrace the improving journeyman, the good pro who can do a good solid job, the perhaps limited but extremely motivated trier who hopefully won't let us down. On the other hand, you have those who crave the more lauded talents, the exotic and the interesting, the proven or the expensive but who have the potential to be World beaters.

Would Rafa have signed Konchesky? Not in a million years no. he would have bought somebody from overseas and there are those who think given a budget of 4 million quid he would have got somebody better than the ex Fulham man. Others like myself aren't so sure, and are happy to take the safer option, the proven Premiership performer who ought to settle relatively quickly.

Like I say, I've got a feeling that it is the Konchesky signing above perhaps all the others which will be the true barometer of Roys first season. If the ex fulham man proves to be as bad as some on here would have you believe, it'll be held up as a prime example of a manager out his depth buying players who are in the same situation. If on the other hand Konchesky proves to be an astute aquisition, then it could be that such purchases will be viewed with more confidence going forward.

Personally I'm happy for it to be so. I take Konchesky to prove the doubters totally wrong and to be a revelation.

If the previous manager would of bought someone with an exotic name as a left back does that mean the last full back has another name as opposed to Glen Johnson ? Confused . I'll give you another left back who is better and cheaper - the guy fulham bought to replace him - salcido . Our transfer dealings this summer have been a mixture of good and poor IMO . We have also failed to once again failed to sign a striker - Konchesky is a lower team journey man who is at an age where he won't improve as a player - he is ok , he would of been someone to come in and be a decent back up - it shows how far we have come with our finances when he is our first choice . I want better players but realise we can't get them . We better hope that Torres stays fit or we are going to sit mid table . Last season people said we shouldn't accept mediocrity where as now it seems we have to embrace it . I don't need to see how Konchesky does to realise he is nothing more than ok as he has been playing in the prem for many years now and if he was more than ok then other top teams would of picked him up by now .

The difference between Koncheskey and GJ is about 15 million pounds though.. so you can't even legitimately put up any comparison there.

Also, Salcido isn't better than Koncheskey.  Mexicans can't play in the premier league.  They are bought on high expectations and then crash.  Look at dos santos and chicharito.  dos santos has been horrible for spurs and chicharito is just being talked up out of his socks, but has proven nothing in any important games yet.  The only recent decent mexican to be successful out of the mexican leagues is Rafa Marquez, who now plays for New York redbulls.

I think it's good to sign Koncheskey only to put a bit of pressure on Agger and Aurelio, and have a good replacement if Agger's hurt.  You can't trust Aurelio's fitness level.

Have you ever seen salcido play ?

The reference to Johnson was more to do with the fact that the previous manager didnt just sign someone with an exotic name .

[dawson99]

I'm gonna just kill myself... Seriously, another previous manager quote, with nothing to do with Konchesky...

please, klinks, from now on, anyone mentioning managers in a good or bad light, card them, me included


This is for Konchesky!!!  We have signed him, can we just wish him well, hope he plays well (as some think he can) and move on for a minute?

[Ciggy]

63 is nothing, hes only about 2 years older than Scholes!!!

And The Yak is younger than Roy

[Benny The Noon]

Everyones record has to start somewhere mate, maybe you should try supporting the current manager and thinking this is the beginning... also every manager lives by his previous season. You can be outstanding a few years ago, but you gotta keep that going... but this is for another thread

Every record starts somewhere ?! This isnt some new to management guy we are talking about - he has been a football manager for over 20 years . If every manager lives by his previous season then were exactly did Fulham finish last season ?

People can try and rewrite history as much as they want - they can try and paint a lovely picture and paper over things but both managers records are there for all to see and its plain to see which manager has been the more successful (and in a shorter period of time )

Oh i do think its a beginning dawson - but not a beginning of anything i like . And so far our performances arent encourging me to think otherwise .

As been stated many times before by many people - you are allowed to be critical of players and manager - if you are it doesnt mean you dont support the players and manager .

Hopefully one day that will sink in with people .

I dont rate Konchesky one single bit - watching him over the last 8 years in the prem show me that i dont think he is good enough - but that doesnt mean i wont support him .

who do you rate tho mate? To be honest you make eyeore look like hes on non stop uppers. You must be a fun guy to have abeer with

Oh i am fun 

I rate plenty people mate - think Merlies is a very good signing and would work very well with gerrard in the middle - rate Cole as a player .

Anyone else you want me to rate ?

I think both poulsen and jones were both a waste of money and would of rather we kept aquliani and used a young keeper and then put that money towards a striker .