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I am going to buck the trend and kick the proverbial soap box away from our resident preachers ,and issue a complete an utter refusal to believe any plaudits on Konchesky that certain posters are trying to repetitively  force feed us ....
I don't believe he is good enough for Liverpool ,and all things given I think I have been relatively vocal expressing that ,you see what I find strange is the fact that as a season ticket holder for  26 yrs (albeit from last season )I think that sufficiently qualifies  me being able to deliver my own honest opinion on a player ...even if that decision results in posters being aghast at my summary.
I would also like to add ...I have been relatively  supportive of Roy ,I even had the notion of jumping a board the happy bus ,and sitting myself down next to our more Carefree (Disillusioned ) posters on their intrepid journey....
Its this Konchesky situation and the posters that find my complete dislike and distrust over this acquisition  so baffling ,that they feel the need to smash away at their keyboard until posters succumb to their perpetual nagging .....
So one last time for the record ...... I don't rate Konchesky and I despair at our complete and utter incompetence and subsequent failure in signing a striker .... that would in part have made reaching the Top four a lot more comfortable .... and no amount of spiel from posters who have in all probability never stepped a foot inside Anfield will alter my views one iota  ......

Yeah, I don't recall anyone saying you didn't have the right to deliver your honest opinions.  Others, me included, just happen to disagree with your honest opinion here and have exercised our own right in saying so.  You're not being brow-beaten nor oppressed nor shouted down--you are being challenged on your views, which tends to happen when real discussion takes place.  And, I guess as long as we're addressing soapboxes and preachers, it should be said that while your admirable history as a season ticket holder clearly affords you a certain smugness when it comes to discussing the club it shouldn't be mistaken as a 'qualification' for passing sound judgment.  Truth is, you talk just as much nonsense as the rest of us, fella. 

Quality post Bob, well said mate. 

[bigmick]

Yes no soap-boxing or brow beating required. Some think Konchesky is a player who will improve our first team fairly instantly, some think he won't and that he's a waste of money/terrible signing. I must confess I actually quite like these little differences of opinion as they spice things up a bit.

As usual I'm 100% happy to go with my judgement and take the consequences. No sitting on the fence, I think within a month or two it will have gone very quiet on the "he's a joke of player" front and that the jury will well and truly have delivered its verdict. Konchesky is a good player and will show it.

Obviously, if I'm wrong I won't be slow in admitting it, I won't deny the sky is blue on the occasions when it obviously is, and if he does turn out to be rubbish I won't say that Roy didn't want him in the first place/we've only actually paid 49p for him and the rest is in "add ons".

[Ciggy]

I am going to buck the trend and kick the proverbial soap box away from our resident preachers ,and issue a complete an utter refusal to believe any plaudits on Konchesky that certain posters are trying to repetitively  force feed us ....
I don't believe he is good enough for Liverpool ,and all things given I think I have been relatively vocal expressing that ,you see what I find strange is the fact that as a season ticket holder for  26 yrs (albeit from last season )I think that sufficiently qualifies  me being able to deliver my own honest opinion on a player ...even if that decision results in posters being aghast at my summary.
I would also like to add ...I have been relatively  supportive of Roy ,I even had the notion of jumping a board the happy bus ,and sitting myself down next to our more Carefree (Disillusioned ) posters on their intrepid journey....
Its this Konchesky situation and the posters that find my complete dislike and distrust over this acquisition  so baffling ,that they feel the need to smash away at their keyboard until posters succumb to their perpetual nagging .....
So one last time for the record ...... I don't rate Konchesky and I despair at our complete and utter incompetence and subsequent failure in signing a striker .... that would in part have made reaching the Top four a lot more comfortable .... and no amount of spiel from posters who have in all probability never stepped a foot inside Anfield will alter my views one iota  ......

hey RBG, thats your opinion mate and you are entitled to it.

its a loada feking sh!te but it's all yours. 

Why is his opinion a load of sh!te? Cause he's not agreeing with the oracles of the forum? I think he speaks a lot of sense and is being brutally honest, but some people cant handle the truth and it hurts and they go on the offensive.

[bigmick]

Who's going on the offensive People are disagreeing with Red, some people like yourself are agreeing with him Lynds, nothing offensive about that surely. Someone saying his opinion is a Load of fecking sh!te followed by a smiley is hardly an all out assault surely.

Soon enough everyone will see Konchesky play in a  red shirt. If people such as yourself and Red are correct and he is a bit of a joke signing, then I've absolutely no doubt we'll all get told about it in no uncertain terms, fair enough. By the same token some of us think he is better than Insua and will be a really solid signing who will improve the team. It's a difference of opinion, no "oracles" involved.

[Ciggy]

Soon enough everyone will see Konchesky play in a  red shirt. If people such as yourself and Red are correct and he is a bit of a joke signing, then I've absolutely no doubt we'll all get told about it in no uncertain terms, fair enough. By the same token some of us think he is better than Insua and will be a really solid signing who will improve the team. It's a difference of opinion, no "oracles" involved.

Ive never once said he was a joke signing infact I havent posted much about him, my concerns are his price, his age, his 2 England caps and Baines, Bridge, Klingon, Warnock have all been picked before him. Surely if he was that good he would have more than 2 England caps no?

He will be an improvement on Insua, Dossena, but I think its madness that we let Insua go out on loan as I see him in a few years time a permanant fixture in the Argentine squad. And I guess he wont be back at Liverpool ever again.

Plus we have let two young players go to Fulham for this deal to happen it makes no sense what so ever letting three young players go to accomodate Konchesky, no matter how you dress it up.
Roy is not buying for the future thats for certain you only have to look at the ages in our squad people say Chelsea have an ageing team, but atleast they have a bloody good one and ours will need replacing long before theirs does.

[bigmick]

Roy is not buying for the future thats for certain

Well I certainly agree with you on that score, but I also agree with Roy in what he is doing. The future isn't our concern at the moment, it's the present and I must confess I'm surprised given the tone of your posts Lynds that you don't see that.

We finished 7th in the league last season, so buying a player who might make it in three years time is of little use to us right now. Equally, buying lots of untried and inexperienced foreign players who are a big risk makes little sense in our circumstances. Neither is it an "options and possibilities" period either , we don't need to be "saving players for the big games at the end of the season" we need to be getting as much success NOW on the pitch as we can. Lastly of course we are in dire need of new owners. The better we do on the pitch NOW may well have a direct influence over that.

Roy has brought in five players. He's brought in Cole on a free, Poulsen, Konchesky and Moriales. All are experienced players who must surely have a good chance of being a success this season. All will go stright into our best eleven with the possible and arguable exception of Poulsen (who I think will eventually anyway). All are good sensible buys, buys for today, which is what we need.

He's also bought the keeper off Middlesboro, presumeably for quota reasons. Mind you, I never rated Cavalieri anyway.

[Ciggy]

I must confess I'm surprised given the tone of your posts Lynds that you don't see that.

Im in that river in Egypt (puts on Dutch voice) De Nile 

[bigmick]

I must confess I'm surprised given the tone of your posts Lynds that you don't see that.

Im in that river in Egypt (puts on Dutch voice) De Nile 

Like that.

[Roger Red Hat]

Why is his opinion a load of sh!te?

because he's no idea how this player will perform for LFC but he's straight in with the boots on spouting about how he isn't good enough - how the fek does he know this? He doesn't.

shall I go on?

no. I'll leave it there.

[Ciggy]

Why is his opinion a load of sh!te?

because he's no idea how this player will perform for LFC but he's straight in with the boots on spouting about how he isn't good enough - how the fek does he know this? He doesn't.

shall I go on?

no. I'll leave it there.

He has no idea how he will perform for LFC none of us do.
But having a season ticket plus going to away games watching Konchesky in the flesh and not just on some stream gives him more of an opinion on him than most myself included no?

He could turn out to be boss and some sort of cult hero no one knows how its going to turn out, he is an improvement on Agger and Insua that much I can say before hes pulled on the red shirt.

[woof woof !]

Soon enough everyone will see Konchesky play in a  red shirt. If people such as yourself and Red are correct and he is a bit of a joke signing, then I've absolutely no doubt we'll all get told about it in no uncertain terms, fair enough. By the same token some of us think he is better than Insua and will be a really solid signing who will improve the team. It's a difference of opinion, no "oracles" involved.

Improve the team  .

Is he better than Insua ?, of course he is and to this end he will improve the team,  I guess it's all a question of by how much ?.

I'm kind of with RBG when he says that Konchesky isn't good enough for LFC, HOWEVER I'll qualify that by adding that I think RBG is talking more about our aspirations rather than our actual situation.

Konchesky will do a job but I see him very much as a stop gap. Imo Konchesky is no more than an average journeyman, experienced but nothing special and if he had the money I'm sure that Roy would have liked to have bought a player of more quality. We patently don't have the money to buy a quality LB and until we do it's a question of "make do and mend".

[Bermenstein]

.......he is an improvement on Agger and Insua that much I can say before hes pulled on the red shirt.

Thats for sure, and I would prefer Agger at CB rather than Skrtel who is definitely a liability at the moment with his late timing in the tackle.

Agger is a more composed CB.

[In and Out]

Soon enough everyone will see Konchesky play in a  red shirt. If people such as yourself and Red are correct and he is a bit of a joke signing, then I've absolutely no doubt we'll all get told about it in no uncertain terms, fair enough. By the same token some of us think he is better than Insua and will be a really solid signing who will improve the team. It's a difference of opinion, no "oracles" involved.

Improve the team  .

Is he better than Insua ?, of course he is and to this end he will improve the team,  I guess it's all a question of by how much ?.

I'm kind of with RBG when he says that Konchesky isn't good enough for LFC, HOWEVER I'll qualify that by adding that I think RBG is talking more about our aspirations rather than our actual situation.

Konchesky will do a job but I see him very much as a stop gap. Imo Konchesky is no more than an average journeyman, experienced but nothing special and if he had the money I'm sure that Roy would have liked to have bought a player of more quality. We patently don't have the money to buy a quality LB and until we do it's a question of "make do and mend".

Even if he is a 'stop gap' and an 'average journey man' it is an improvement on Insua who quite frankly is inept for the LB position. It is an improvement on Aurelio as the Brazillian is about as regular as British rail and certainly an improvement on the Doss who we spunked 8M on.

We've gone through 3 LB's since Riise left, none have worked out. Roy's gone for a seasoned experienced premiership player who will do a solid job.

I'll take that thankyou very much over said LB's and the 'upcoming Brazilian players of the year' like Lucas thank you very much. 

[Ciggy]

HOWEVER I'll qualify that by adding that I think RBG is talking more about our aspirations rather than our actual situation.

Woof gets a hammer and hits the nail on head 

[bigmick]

HOWEVER I'll qualify that by adding that I think RBG is talking more about our aspirations rather than our actual situation.

Woof gets a hammer and hits the nail on head 

He certainly does. My aspiration is that we can improve on 7th place THIS SEASON and make a challenge for the Champions League spots, as well as maybe having a dart at one of the cups.

Next season I'll worry about next season, but such was the situation we were in when Roy arrived he has had to look at the here and now. So far, he has won five out of seven matches, signed Joey Cole on a free, signed Kochesky, Poulsen and Moriaeles.

I reckon our left back is going to be better than last season, our midfield is going to be better than last season, and we have an alternative should Gerrard get injured. In achieving all of that, we've made a profit in transfers.

Get in there Roy