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by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:21 am

andy_g wrote:how about we consider the fact that mascherano's decision not play was in fact another instance of his professionalism? weird, i know, but maybe its true. we saw for all of last season (when we knew he really wanted to be somewhere else) he played some of the best football of his liverpool career, and we also saw the same player in the first game of this season against arsenal. all these performances came with him knowing that if he had the chance he would be somewhere else. so then before the man city game it finally comes to him that the move he's wanted for over a year is finally going to happen, his wife will finally be happy, he'll be with his mates messi and co, etc etc etc - its a huge relief and enormously exciting. it's only reasonable to expect that he would be more than a little distracted. sure he could have played, but if under the circumstances he would find it impossible to keep his mind on the game then it's best he doesn't, and i think he realised that. its not as if playing would have jeopardised the move or anything.

its sad that so many fans are now calling one of our most consistent and committed players of the last 3 seasons all the names under the sun when we knew that sooner or later he would be gone anyway.

Good shout

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:35 am

Viva las malvinas!

by **andy_g** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:19 pm

bigmick wrote:A sheister and a charlatan.

i agree with you on a lot of things but not on this one. in my view he decided that in the one game he knew he would be unable to focus and give 100% he would be doing us a disservice by playing. and as long as he gives that arrogant :censored:

xavi a slap i'll forgive him everything.

by **dawson99** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:02 pm

andy, you honestly believe he didnt play because he wasnt focused? Never thought you were that naive mate, the guys a :censored:

who held us to ransom, simple as.

by **maguskwt** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:27 pm

andy_g wrote:
bigmick wrote:A sheister and a charlatan.

i agree with you on a lot of things but not on this one. in my view he decided that in the one game he knew he would be unable to focus and give 100% he would be doing us a disservice by playing. and as long as he gives that arrogant xavi a slap i'll forgive him everything.

he couldn't focus because he was thinking about the increased salary he's gonna get in barca...

come on now... a professional footballer, couldn't focus because he's got another club coming for him? I would understand it if a player went through some personal tragedy and couldn't focus... but not in Mascherano's case... He couldn't focus because he was selfish... that's it...

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:51 pm

He got desperate. He wanted to leave last year because his family were depressed living in England. The move didn't materialise and he stayed, and was one of our best players in the second half of the season. Again this summer he made it clear he wanted to leave for his family, but nothing was happening so he got desperate and helped Barcelona play their game. We are all angry with the way things have happened but I do have a small degree of sympathy for him as this was more than a footballing thing for him.

Its a shame it got to this, the club have acted correctly in telling him that they will sell if a certain price comes along, but Barcelona have acted in their best interests. It's the world of football.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:59 pm

He will always be welcome inside Anfield ...played with his heart and the fans could see it
will miss him greatly .....as if Barcelona were not formidable enough

now they have added the finest defensive Midfielder in world football ..... No hard feeling Little Chief it was obviously a family thing ....and we would all fight tooth and nail for our families that much is a given

by **ethanr** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:30 pm

To be honest, everybody talks about how great a game he played against Arsenal. Personally, I thought he wasn't playing with the heart we knew he could. The whole game, he wasn't as involved as he should considering they were playing Arsenal. maybe if we were playing Aston Villa or Fulham at the Cottage, that would be considered a good performance, but against Arsenal, it seemed to me the only time he ever got really involved and made good plays was when somebody on Arsenal embarrassed him. I remember him standing int he middle of the field half-heartadly going for the ball, then an Arsenal player tricked him and it ticked him off. That was when I finally saw the Masch I was expecting.

In Masch's defense though, he has been a great player for us and I could see we were missing him against WBA. We needed that player that put all the pressure on them in the middle because they held way too much possession.

Also, why was he making so little? Torres and Gerrard were making over 100k a week? Why was Masch only making, was it 30k a week? it seems extremely low for a player of his caliber. He was better than any player on probably 12 premier league clubs and yet almost every club had at least one player making more than him.

by **andy_g** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:50 pm

dawson99 wrote:andy, you honestly believe he didnt play because he wasnt focused? Never thought you were that naive mate, the guys a who held us to ransom, simple as.

no, not naive mate. just trying to see the bigger picture.

by **Number 9** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:54 pm

andy_g wrote:
dawson99 wrote:andy, you honestly believe he didnt play because he wasnt focused? Never thought you were that naive mate, the guys a who held us to ransom, simple as.

no, not naive mate. just trying to see the bigger picture.

sometimes there is'ny one andy!

by **Sabre** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:06 pm

andy_g wrote:
bigmick wrote:A sheister and a charlatan.

i agree with you on a lot of things but not on this one. in my view he decided that in the one game he knew he would be unable to focus and give 100% he would be doing us a disservice by playing. and as long as he gives that arrogant xavi a slap i'll forgive him everything.

Plus, when the club that is going to sell knows a deal is about to be done is common practice not to use the player and risk an injury.

There's no real point Hodgson used him if he's going to go next week.

Very dissapointed with Mascherano, but I value his football legacy at Liverpool, and I won't remember him as a bad thing for the club.

by **neil** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:14 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
andy_g wrote:how about we consider the fact that mascherano's decision not play was in fact another instance of his professionalism? weird, i know, but maybe its true. we saw for all of last season (when we knew he really wanted to be somewhere else) he played some of the best football of his liverpool career, and we also saw the same player in the first game of this season against arsenal. all these performances came with him knowing that if he had the chance he would be somewhere else. so then before the man city game it finally comes to him that the move he's wanted for over a year is finally going to happen, his wife will finally be happy, he'll be with his mates messi and co, etc etc etc - its a huge relief and enormously exciting. it's only reasonable to expect that he would be more than a little distracted. sure he could have played, but if under the circumstances he would find it impossible to keep his mind on the game then it's best he doesn't, and i think he realised that. its not as if playing would have jeopardised the move or anything.

its sad that so many fans are now calling one of our most consistent and committed players of the last 3 seasons all the names under the sun when we knew that sooner or later he would be gone anyway.

Good shout

Yeah whatever, he won't even get in the first 11, just like at west ham.

by **ethanr** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:17 pm

neil wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
andy_g wrote:how about we consider the fact that mascherano's decision not play was in fact another instance of his professionalism? weird, i know, but maybe its true. we saw for all of last season (when we knew he really wanted to be somewhere else) he played some of the best football of his liverpool career, and we also saw the same player in the first game of this season against arsenal. all these performances came with him knowing that if he had the chance he would be somewhere else. so then before the man city game it finally comes to him that the move he's wanted for over a year is finally going to happen, his wife will finally be happy, he'll be with his mates messi and co, etc etc etc - its a huge relief and enormously exciting. it's only reasonable to expect that he would be more than a little distracted. sure he could have played, but if under the circumstances he would find it impossible to keep his mind on the game then it's best he doesn't, and i think he realised that. its not as if playing would have jeopardised the move or anything.

its sad that so many fans are now calling one of our most consistent and committed players of the last 3 seasons all the names under the sun when we knew that sooner or later he would be gone anyway.

Good shout

Yeah whatever, he won't even get in the first 11, just like at west ham.

I questioned Barcas motive in signing him and Fabregas as well. I don't really see him breaking into the starting 11 on a consistent basis.

by **fivecups** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:37 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:He will always be welcome inside Anfield ...played with his heart and the fans could see it
will miss him greatly .....as if Barcelona were not formidable enough now they have added the finest defensive Midfielder in world football ..... No hard feeling Little Chief it was obviously a family thing ....and we would all fight tooth and nail for our families that much is a given

That's the way I feel about him to be honest. Brilliant player and under-rated as so many defensive midfielders are. Best midfield tackler in the world.

by **fivecups** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:43 pm

neil wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
andy_g wrote:how about we consider the fact that mascherano's decision not play was in fact another instance of his professionalism? weird, i know, but maybe its true. we saw for all of last season (when we knew he really wanted to be somewhere else) he played some of the best football of his liverpool career, and we also saw the same player in the first game of this season against arsenal. all these performances came with him knowing that if he had the chance he would be somewhere else. so then before the man city game it finally comes to him that the move he's wanted for over a year is finally going to happen, his wife will finally be happy, he'll be with his mates messi and co, etc etc etc - its a huge relief and enormously exciting. it's only reasonable to expect that he would be more than a little distracted. sure he could have played, but if under the circumstances he would find it impossible to keep his mind on the game then it's best he doesn't, and i think he realised that. its not as if playing would have jeopardised the move or anything.

its sad that so many fans are now calling one of our most consistent and committed players of the last 3 seasons all the names under the sun when we knew that sooner or later he would be gone anyway.

Good shout

Yeah whatever, he won't even get in the first 11, just like at west ham.

I'm sure you were saying that when Xabi left. We'll see, Busquets is top quality as well but I guarantee Xavi, Iniesta et al. would love Masch in behind them mopping everything up, as would the Barca defense, especially when Alves and Maxwell get caught in the wrong half when the opposition go on the counter attack.

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