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by **jimmy brighton** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:12 pm

Bermenstein wrote:The only way he will ever truly win the fans over is if he scores a hat-trick and saves a penalty in an up coming game.

If our other 10 men can get sent off and he still masterminds a win against the opposition, scoring 8 in the process, then I think he might win a couple of fans over

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:46 pm

I actually thought that behind the composed Poulson, and the relentless Kuyt ,he had roughly speaking his best game this season ...... silly me eh

I must remember to check whats being written on this forum..... before I compose any sort of report on the Lad based on what I have seen from my obviously obscured view from the Kop .......

by **Rockthekop** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:10 pm

I think that Lucas will be rightly moved on either in Jan or next summer.

He doesn't seem to be in Roys plans but it appears he wants to hold onto him for cover until he can sign a good player to replace him.

by **jimmy brighton** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:25 pm

Rockthekop wrote:I think that Lucas will be rightly moved on either in Jan or next summer.

He doesn't seem to be in Roys plans but it appears he wants to hold onto him for cover until he can sign a good player to replace him.

I think him ousting AA before Lucas showed Roy's intentions

by **teamleader1** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:44 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I actually thought that behind the composed Poulson, and the relentless Kuyt ,he had roughly speaking his best game this season ...... silly me eh I must remember to check whats being written on this forum..... before I compose any sort of report on the Lad based on what I have seen from my obviously obscured view from the Kop .......

I think the problem is that his good game is as good as it gets m8
He never has a great game, he never tries to take a game by the scruff of the neck.
When he first got into the side I thought he was a bit of a liability and sadly that still stands.
I cant see him being a regular under RH and he will be moved on next summer at the latest.
Nothing against the lad, I just don't think he brings anything positive to the side.
I was at the game myself and didn't think he was much.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:54 pm

teamleader1 wrote:Nothing against the lad, I just don't think he brings anything positive to the side.
I was at the game myself and didn't think he was much.

In truth though fella the game was awful our performance was shabby and hurried and as a spectacle it was severely lacking ...but behind Poulson ,Kuyt and Torres he was one of them who deserved a mention ...that's all I'm saying

by **teamleader1** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:05 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
teamleader1 wrote:Nothing against the lad, I just don't think he brings anything positive to the side.
I was at the game myself and didn't think he was much.

In truth though fella the game was awful our performance was shabby and hurried and as a spectacle it was severely lacking ...but behind Poulson ,Kuyt and Torres he was one of them who deserved a mention ...that's all I'm saying

Fair comment.

Was just happy with the 3pts and made up that Nando got off the mark.
Lets kick on from here and I'm sure the performances will come.
We have to remember how much things have been disrupted by them pair of prykes still hanging on.

by **ethanr** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:17 pm

teamleader1 wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
teamleader1 wrote:Nothing against the lad, I just don't think he brings anything positive to the side.
I was at the game myself and didn't think he was much.

In truth though fella the game was awful our performance was shabby and hurried and as a spectacle it was severely lacking ...but behind Poulson ,Kuyt and Torres he was one of them who deserved a mention ...that's all I'm saying

Fair comment.

Was just happy with the 3pts and made up that Nando got off the mark.
Lets kick on from here and I'm sure the performances will come.
We have to remember how much things have been disrupted by them pair of prykes still hanging on.

I used to hate Lucas. He consistently seemed to lose games for us a couple years ago. I remember like 3 games in a row that he played in he either got a red card, which led to us drawing the game, or giving up a pen in the final moments of the game and drawing the game because of it.

But to be honest, I've seen very very positive progression from him. he has gotten so much better than he was. There is still much work to do if he wants to actually have a chance as a starter in the squad because he's good enough, not because others are hurt or resting.

I'd like to keep him on and give him maybe a year or two more. If he isn't good enough by then, we should probably dump him.

by **Dundalk** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:33 am

Lucas Leiva is waiting to see what the future holds for him at Liverpool after the arrival of fellow midfielders Christian Poulsen and Raul Meireles.

The 23-year-old, a regular under former manager Rafael Benitez, has seen competition increase and despite impressing new boss Roy Hodgson in pre-season it seems he will be third choice for his preferred central position.

After Sunday's victory over West Brom Hodgson said he could not rule out the Brazil international's sale if a big bid came in but added that it would not be ideal to lose a player so late in the transfer window.

"What is the situation? I don't know. I'm still playing," said the club's young player of the year last season, who has been linked with Barclays Premier League rivals Stoke.

"At the moment, I haven't had any offers. I don't know if the club wants to sell me. I just have to wait.

"I'm going away with the national team (on Thursday) and I can't say any more than that.

"We don't have any games so we will be training for a week in Barcelona.

"If the club want to sell me, what can I do? I just have to wait and see what will happen.

"I need to be playing and I want to be playing but I believe that I am doing well.

"The manager will choose who plays. I have a contract here and if I don't get anything good for me or for the club, then I will stay."

LINK

by **OneHotRed** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:50 am

Stoke are in for him I think, now they have Gyan, they need someone to provide those raking 50-60 yard passes for him to latch on to, which as we all know, he cant do

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EDIT: 500 posts in around 6 years whoop

by **lakes10** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:22 pm

"At the moment, I haven't had any offers. I don't know if the club wants to sell me. I just have to wait."

mate we cant even give you away with a bag of crips.

by **lakes10** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:34 pm

Wigan have contacted the club about buying him.........pls pls pls ont turn them down.

tell him he can also work in the car park, two jobs for the price of one.

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:11 pm

Shyte ! He's staying put....
:angry:

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:10 pm

Lucas

Lucas: to many Liverpool fans the name signifies a figure of fun, ridicule and scapegoat-ism. To some: a player whose very existence fuels more ire than is logical. A young man that arrived at Anfield with the tag ‘the Brazilian Steven Gerrard’ and came out the other side of the past 3 seasons being compared to something more akin to the Icelandic David May. The question is: what is it that made him so unpopular with a section of his own supporters? At what point in the first few months of his Liverpool career did a player with apparently so much promise come to be deemed the cause of all the teams’ ills? ...........

As a prospect, Lucas is a promising young footballer. As a player, he is an above-average youngster with a lot of top-level experience already. He has played for one of the biggest clubs in his native Brazil before moving onto one of the biggest clubs in the world, and has played several times already for his country; even captaining the U21 side on numerous occasions, and all of this before his 21st birthday. So surely his talent (or prospective talent) cannot be in question, as his 3 ‘full’ seasons as a Liverpool player he has played 83 games for club and country (78 for his club), scoring 4 times assisting in 11 goals. For a player who usually (although, has on occasion played further forward) sits in what is, effectively, ‘the hole’ in front of the back four those are not bad stats at all. They compare favorably to his usual partner in that deep, two-man midfield – Mascherano – with whom he often formed a very destructive partnership under Rafa Benitez, and who in the same period of time managed 132 games for club and country, with only 2 goals and 4 assists. Some would argue that they are different players, with different roles and, ordinarily, that would be true. However, under Benitez both players tended to occupy the same area of the field, with the same role and perhaps only slightly differing orders. The fact remains however, that they played in the same area of the field, with similar success. The difference being that Mascherano is feted as a master of his art. Some would even say he is the best in his position in the world since Claude Makelele’s retirement. Indeed, this would appear to be true, as the Opta stats for last season show that he was the most successful tackler in the Premier League, and managed close to 200 tackles and a success rate of 81%. On the other hand, Lucas Leiva is not often seen so favourably and yet the stats show that for the same season, he played only 8 less games overall and yet managed to be the third most successful tackler in the League. During the same season, his pass completion rate reached 84%, bettered only by one player. Given that he was top at Christmas with 87% and his level dropped only 3% in the ensuing 5 months suggests he maintained a high-level all season long, and yet this again goes unnoticed.

On the other hand, he committed somewhere in the region of 60 fouls last season, picking up 9 yellow cards which may point to his lack of either discipline or experience in the position he currently occupies. It may also go some way to explain why he is often cited as the prime reason for the first teams woes, as given the importance of the position he occupies, free-kicks, corners and penalties are all likely to lead to goal-scoring (and potentially game-losing) opportunities but blame cannot always lie solely with one player, as is the case in any sports team.

As already mentioned, his comparisons on arrival to Steven Gerrard will have done him no favours. Comparing young, untried and unheard of players to legends of the game is a crime often committed by even the most experienced managers. Xabi Alonso was only able to rise above such comparisons after it became obvious he was a totally different type of player, and quite a good one at that. So comparing this rather expensive young Brazilian to the club’s captain – a man who had already attained near mythical status with his match-winning performances – will have already set alarm bells ringing in many fan’s minds (remember Diao, remember Diarra?). Coupled with this, one of Lucas’s first major contributions was during a derby at Goodison where he had a huge hand in winning the game when coming on as a substitute… for his captain. So, perhaps the suggestion by his former manager that he could someday be considered an equal to Steven Gerrard, simply meant to some supporters that he one day would replace him, and this signaled a threat to their hero. Many a player’s fledgling career has crashed and burned thanks to un-warranted comparisons. It would be unjust to let Lucas Leiva go the same way for comments made by others that may have riled some supporters.

The stats and facts then, would seem to point to a promising young midfielder, who is simply a victim of circumstance; wrong place, wrong time. His ability going forward has yet to be fully tested but his assists/goals from such a deep-lying position show promise in this area. In much the same way that his fouls/yellow cards suggest that he is not, by trade, a naturally defensive player. This might suggest that Lucas has yet to find (or have found for him) his natural position. Benitez preferred him in a ‘support’ holding role alongside Mascherano. While Hodgson – having already entrusted him with the captaincy a number of times in pre-season, ahead of senior players – may well prefer him in a role with more responsibility; somewhere further up-field, where he can demonstrate his passing and technique more. Perhaps from here, in a more settle team, now that the transfer window has closed a few more outstanding performances may finally win over any remaining doubters.

Decent write up that ...free of any bias either way

by **taff** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:17 pm

I think IF we find his best position he will be a great player but its a big IF

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