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by **In and Out** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:00 pm

stmichael wrote:we still need another striker imo, preferably one who can play with his back to goal, lead the line and hold the ball up. not sure zamora is good enough. a bit of a one season wonder for me. somebody like carew would be ideal.

If Carew came in I'm sure that would urge Carra to carry on his route one tactic. :no

by **andy_g** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:10 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
aCe' wrote:-replace Skrtel with quality CB

I had to laugh at that one. Martin is the best damn defender at this club.

i had to laugh at THAT one

he's alright, like

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:15 pm

Scottbot wrote:
aCe' wrote:I dont think Carragher is going anywhere, and to be honest it would be a disgrace if the club decide to let him go after all he's given to the club... Between Skrtel and Agger I know who I'd rather have in the starting lineup and it isnt Skrtel fella...

He might improve in the next couple of years but for now he has poor awareness and positioning and it's a position we need to improve on to play with certain tactics..

To me he's better than the Greek, and might even become a more valuable squad member than Carra in a season or two, but the fact that represents the best sell-out value of all 3 means that if we have the chance to sell him and use the money to bring in a better CB then its a move that improves our starting lineup to a large degree...

We have 4 CBs who are good... None are exceptional or dominant or any of that... Have Carragher or Agger play beside a dominant CB with a bit of pace (Carvalho, Pepe, Vidic, Lucio, Chiellini, MEXES, B.ALVES, GAMBERINI...etc) and it would improve our back4 no end imo...

I'm of the same mind. Skrtel could be good but aside from a spell at the start of 2008/09 (until he got injured) he's never really shown he can play at a consistently high level. I like Carra and I like Agger but I also have reservations about their partnership. I'd desperately like to see Hangeland at the club but it seems pretty unlikely now. It's gonna be hard to find a dominant player (in the air) who has a bit of pace about him on a shoestring so I suspect we'll go into the season with our current set of CBs.

Skrtel is a better defender than Agger, he's just not as flashy that's why people dont rate him that well.

As for Carragher he has said he's a goner, if he is not a starter in the first team. For me thats a huge problem, because he has been awful lately. We will be in big trouble if Roy doesn't have the balls to put him on the bench or sell him.

by **fivecups** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:23 pm

Our centre-backs are not of the highest quality.

Carra
Agger
The Greek
Skrtel

I'd like to see how Skrtel does with a sustained run in the team but he was poor last season.

by **aCe'** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:27 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
aCe' wrote:I dont think Carragher is going anywhere, and to be honest it would be a disgrace if the club decide to let him go after all he's given to the club... Between Skrtel and Agger I know who I'd rather have in the starting lineup and it isnt Skrtel fella...

He might improve in the next couple of years but for now he has poor awareness and positioning and it's a position we need to improve on to play with certain tactics..

To me he's better than the Greek, and might even become a more valuable squad member than Carra in a season or two, but the fact that represents the best sell-out value of all 3 means that if we have the chance to sell him and use the money to bring in a better CB then its a move that improves our starting lineup to a large degree...

We have 4 CBs who are good... None are exceptional or dominant or any of that... Have Carragher or Agger play beside a dominant CB with a bit of pace (Carvalho, Pepe, Vidic, Lucio, Chiellini, MEXES, B.ALVES, GAMBERINI...etc) and it would improve our back4 no end imo...

I'm of the same mind. Skrtel could be good but aside from a spell at the start of 2008/09 (until he got injured) he's never really shown he can play at a consistently high level. I like Carra and I like Agger but I also have reservations about their partnership. I'd desperately like to see Hangeland at the club but it seems pretty unlikely now. It's gonna be hard to find a dominant player (in the air) who has a bit of pace about him on a shoestring so I suspect we'll go into the season with our current set of CBs.

Skrtel is a better defender than Agger, he's just not as flashy that's why people dont rate him that well.

As for Carragher he has said he's a goner, if he is not a starter in the first team. For me thats a huge problem, because he has been awful lately. We will be in big trouble if Roy doesn't have the balls to put him on the bench or sell him.

Carragher is still our best CB... Having said that, it's an area in the squad that we desperately need to improve on sometime soon... Either by buying someone or by getting more out of the likes of Skrtel and Agger...

by **Aussie Style** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:58 pm

Any news on Aurelio and where he might be headed? I'd like to see Roy try to re-sign him. I know he knocked back the pay as you play deal Rafa offered him but surely we could give him one more year. Obviously has had his fair share of injury concerns but IMO we should try to keep him here, would be a very good 2nd choice LB behind a guy like Taiwo.

by **fivecups** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:59 pm

Aussie Style wrote:Any news on Aurelio and where he might be headed? I'd like to see Roy try to re-sign him. I know he knocked back the pay as you play deal Rafa offered him but surely we could give him one more year. Obviously has had his fair share of injury concerns but IMO we should try to keep him here, would be a very good 2nd choice LB behind a guy like Taiwo.

Fair share??

He had a small countries share of injuries!

He couldn't even play with his kids without getting injured!

by **mart** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:17 pm

aCe' wrote:Carragher is still our best CB... Having said that, it's an area in the squad that we desperately need to improve on sometime soon... Either by buying someone or by getting more out of the likes of Skrtel and Agger...

Do you really mean that or do you say it for sentimental reasons?

by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:50 pm

As a few have said none of our centre backs are absolutely top top class. Carra is the best out of them though for me, with Agger second. It might be that we are just going to have to learn to accept it and live with it, and perhaps play a bit more attacking simply because we will be better going forwards than backwards this season. Long as you play to your strengths it's not always a bad thing.

by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:56 pm

bigmick wrote:As a few have said none of our centre backs are absolutely top top class. Carra is the best out of them though for me, with Agger second. It might be that we are just going to have to learn to accept it and live with it, and perhaps play a bit more attacking simply because we will be better going forwards than backwards this season. Long as you play to your strengths it's not always a bad thing.

Who are the best centre backs in the country?
Dont say ferdinand and vidic...

by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:03 pm

Ferdinand and Vidic :laugh:

But they are, you can't ask a question then want the answer. John Terry's an excellent Premiership defender too. Tell the truth if I was looking for an affordable bloke who could step into our four centra halves and improve the quality of the group, I'd buy Ricardo Carvallho for not very much. Best young centre half for me is Tompkins at West Ham. I like Ryan Shawcross at Stoke, I think he'd improve us, and Cahill at Bolton is very decent too. Michael Dawson is probably better than all of ours now Carragher has waned a bit, and Vermaelen is the best footballing centre half, but he always looks like a midfield player who's just filling in to me. I like the two at Birmingham as well, particularly Roger Johnson. A good old fashioned centre half who's not afraid of putting it in row Z, player or ball. His mate Scott Dans a good player too.

Anyway ours are alright, just not absolutely tip top for me.

by **dawson99** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:05 pm

Carra is still a great CB, until he has the ball at his feet and he has to do something with it, then hes like a lost hoofing puppy.

I'm an Agger fan, out of who we havem but hes had injuries which have ruined his game and confidence, hopefully he can get back to it as he has by far the greatest football mind of the 3

by **bigmick** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:14 pm

I actually think the Greek is pretty good too, a good signing for the money he was. Skrytel is no mug either. Our four collectively are probably right up there with anyones in the league in the sense that our fourth best (whoever it is) is still pretty good. The only problem we have as far I can see is that we don't have that real outstanding one that you can hang your hat on. It's like we've got four excellent sidekicks but we just lack the real leader.

by **Fauxy** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:06 pm

bigmick wrote:I actually think the Greek is pretty good too, a good signing for the money he was. Skrytel is no mug either. Our four collectively are probably right up there with anyones in the league in the sense that our fourth best (whoever it is) is still pretty good. The only problem we have as far I can see is that we don't have that real outstanding one that you can hang your hat on. It's like we've got four excellent sidekicks but we just lack the real leader.

I can definetly see what you mean

We do have good cover but individually they all lack something. We just need an all rounder. I think the closest to that is Agger, he has a bit of everything but could be better defensively.

by **aCe'** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:42 pm

mart wrote:
aCe' wrote:Carragher is still our best CB... Having said that, it's an area in the squad that we desperately need to improve on sometime soon... Either by buying someone or by getting more out of the likes of Skrtel and Agger...

Do you really mean that or do you say it for sentimental reasons?

Sentimental reasons ? Not at all... If one of the 4 we have had to put a tackle in to stop a forward from going one on one with the keeper i'd put my money on Carragher... He might lack a bit in the pace department and probably didnt have the best of seasons last time around, but i've seen very little from the other 3 to suggest they're any better at present than Carragher is...

Ill say it again, if we had a top defender (A Hyypia or so) playing alongside him we'd look alot more comfortable at the back than we do now...

Carvalho to me is the best CB in the country... Put any of our 4 alongside him and you'd have the second best defensive partnership in the league after Vidic-Ferdinand... Its that simple really... If we have the funds to go for someone like Mexes, Bruno Alves, Juan, Gamberini, even Hangelaand or Mertesacer ro replace Skrtel then i'd think it was an investment worth considering...

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