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by **Ciggy** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:44 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Welcome back mick ,good to see yer posting again . See you are still in denial regarding the backroom shenanigans . Poor Roy hasn't got a chance with what he has to work with . It's not his fault and it won't be his fault when we see what happens next season (if the owners and directors are still here) Your top names gone (you know the ones , the ones who were supposed to be staying if Rafa got sacked) the majority of income from said players going towards the debt . DO NOT BLAME ROY , for what happens in the next season . It's totally unfair on the fella. We will be going backwards and we will be a mediocre mid table side . Not through lack of effort on Roy's behalf i reckon . You should have no expectations whatsoever from the coming season mate ,seriously .

^^^^^^^^^^^Spot on Lash :nod

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:06 pm

If it was fat sam, phil brown or david moyes I would be worried.
Red Roys the man for LFC

by **Roger Red Hat** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:32 pm

all these negative :censored:

on here do my head in.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:45 pm

It is a bit strange as we sit on the cusp of a new era for the club to see so many people down in the dumps about things. The club will be sold sooner or later, new owners will mean new funds and we have a new manager who is no doubt bristling with enthusiasm and new ideas.

So far, nobody apart from Man City has really spent lots of cash so you wouldn't think we are getting left too far behind (assuming of course we don't sell all our best players). We have an unbalanced squad but one which is full of players who I think could do a lot better and may well do so under a new approach. Perhaps we'll see Carragher at right back and Johnson bombing on from right midfield, maybe we'll go 4-4-2 with Babel finally fulfilling his undoubted promise, maybe Albert Riera can get back to the form of his first season and maybe even do better, maybe Alberto Aquilani can prove Fauxy right and me wrong and really bring his considerable skills to the party.

I think we have a team which can compete pretty well with everyone. I've thought that for a few seasons now, I'm optimistic and positive that things are going to get much better. I also think the manager has conducted himself fantastically well under very trying circumstances. I think he'll do a very good job.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:49 pm

Lee J wrote:all these negative on here do my head in.

Not negative :censored:

just not ostiches that are burying our heads in the sand and thinking everything will be fine, whilst the club is nearly 500 million pounds worth of debt when its worth 300 million at a push.

by **Scottbot** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:31 am

Benny The Noon wrote:What happens if we don't improve on previous season ?does he get another season ? What happens if we give him another season and still no improvement ? Another season and same scenario for the three seasons so we would of wasted 3 seasons

Someone give me the gun!!!!

by **Zidane** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:17 am

I'm with Mick here, still believe our squad is solid top to bottom when healthy and there really is no reason why we shouldn't be capable of getting back into the top 4. Whether we do or not is another matter but the squad is good enough to do it, and we WILL be sold eventually.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:42 am

Everyone who attended the 4th of July rally on Sunday would totally dispute the claims we are on the verge of a new beginning ...in point of fact the future that once held so much fear for me personally is now unfolding in front of my disbelieving eyes whilst the most salient point is the dulling of our senses while we endure the media love in with regards to Mr Hodgson ....while Dalglish "wherever he may be " maintains the usual dignified silence after having his hands inconcievably burnt ..... and then we have the fans who simply won't allow themselves to be sucked into this charade being labelled as doom merchants ........

I have said it before and I will say it again Hodgson for all intents and purposes seems like an articulate intelligent man with an acute football brain ... but I simply refuse to join in the euphoria swirling around forums and blogs that Hodgson is the manager we needed "He was simply the manager Purslow and Broughton needed " we the fans were bereft of choice that little fact hangs in the air like a bad smell
That said Hodgson will be given the utmost support and respect because such is the want of a Liverpool fan (one I would like to add has never been prone to any notions of suicide)
so in summation I would not expect to be subjected to any form of denigration just because I refuse to extol the virtues of this appointment .... thats fair enough isnt it

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:51 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Everyone who attended the 4th of July rally on Sunday would totally dispute the claims we are on the verge of a new beginning ...in point of fact the future that once held so much fear for me personally is now unfolding in front of my disbelieving eyes whilst the most salient point is the dulling of our senses while we endure the media love in with regards to Mr Hodgson ....while Dalglish "wherever he may be " maintains the usual dignified silence after having his hands inconcievably burnt ..... and then we have the fans who simply won't allow themselves to be sucked into this charade being labelled as doom merchants ........

I have said it before and I will say it again Hodgson for all intents and purposes seems like an articulate intelligent man with an acute football brain ... but I simply refuse to join in the euphoria swirling around forums and blogs that Hodgson is the manager we needed "He was simply the manager Purslow and Broughton needed " we the fans were bereft of choice that little fact hangs in the air like a bad smell
That said Hodgson will be given the utmost support and respect because such is the want of a Liverpool fan (one I would like to add has never been prone to any notions of suicide)
so in summation I would not expect to be subjected to any form of denigration just because I refuse to extol the virtues of this appointment .... thats fair enough isnt it

nut and shell

the fact the thread about the rally has 40 odd replies says it all really.

by **Owzat** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:05 am

bigmick wrote:Well we certainly agree on not blaming Roy Igor, he's inherited a shambolic situation. My guess is that we will lose Gerrard and Masherano, but it is obviously entirely possible we will lose Torres as well. When that happens, he will be given a fraction of the accrued money to reinvest. We can all guess how much although none of us know for sure, but clearly the manager has a very difficult job on his hands. No denial there mate, I largely agree with that side of your post.

The bit I don't agree with is when you say we'll be a mid table team. I think we will be a good bit better than that, I think the manager is an excellent one and I think we will finish higher in the table than we did last term.

We were a title winning side under Kenny, Souness came in and brought in a load of rubbish, sold the title quality out of the side, and we went downhill.

Yet noone gives Roy (Evans) the credit for putting us in the top four having come in and faced a much harder task than his namesake will. I guess because there was no CL for fourth back then that fans will play down Roy's achievements, he couldn't have an excellent record in the CL because it was Champions, then Champions and Runners-Up. Sure he had the UEFA Cup and Cup Winners Cup, but not with the same kind of ££££ around even for that competition.

But then a lot of it is down to the 'recency effect' and people seem these days to see these days as bigger and better than before, as if everything always improves, moves forward etc. In fact the interpretation that more points are scored to win the league means it is stronger or somehow tougher is not necessarily the case. A lower points total and more spread out points arguably means more competition and more competitive teams, not so many rollover sides going down with points in the 20s and 30s. So it is like that old Psychology test they do on kids, two containers with the same amount of liquid in them, and the young kids will say there is more liquid in the taller container...........................

As for protests, they don't do any good. The owners are thick skinned, the worry is that while bigmick and others think new owners will bring more cash injection, don't count on it. The current owners will want as much as they can get and that may leave new owners unable to put more money in, again a situation where people think new = better when in fact it can be the same or even worse. These aren't LFC fans or ex-players buying the club, they're BUSINESS MEN and they don't have a scooby doo about running football clubs. These two have made a big miscalculation like Risdale did with lids, and they're hoping to come out of it smell of roses and not manure.

I doubt if they give £960k to the Hillsborough families that they'd get an ounce of credit, but that's another story.

by **boodiddy1** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:19 am

Ciggy wrote:
Lee J wrote:all these negative on here do my head in.

Not negative just not ostiches that are burying our heads in the sand and thinking everything will be fine, whilst the club is nearly 500 million pounds worth of debt when its worth 300 million at a push.

Oh Ciggy! Really change the record! Whilst we are at a major crossroads in our history and our debt is aconcern. Your pessimism is really astounding.

At a push we are worth only 300m?? Absolute :censored:

! The Mancs are worth 1.5bn and we r 300-350m at apush?

Need to really balance your posts. I aint attacking you, far from it. But really, your glass is half empty. I know you loved rafa! Aren't keen on Roy and cant stand the yanks, purslow and Broughton. You cant keep on with this pessimism. Honestly, your gonna look foolish if your not careful.

With things as huge as Liverpool, things dont change overnight. There are willing owners out there, whilst not actively putting bids on the table, they'll be looking very closely at the best possile way of getting an unbelievable deal. Broughton mentioned that on paper the finance and outlook stacks up to us being valued at circa 600-700m.

However, due to the structuring of our loans and how Fooked the americans are, prospective buyers will look to get us at the lowest possible price.

I know it hurts at the mo, but be cheery a little and stop this 100% negativity. I aint an Ostrich, but im optimistic that things are going to improve. Look at shirt deal, kit deal. These things show us how profitable and viable this club is going to be. To all those thinking we will DO A LEEDS!! Not a chance, far too much pulling power globally and domestically. Will Never happen!

by **jacdaniel** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:32 am

The current owners will want as much as they can get and that may leave new owners unable to put more money in, again a situation where people think new = better when in fact it can be the same or even worse. These aren't LFC fans or ex-players buying the club, they're BUSINESS MEN and they don't have a scooby doo about running football clubs.

Im surprised no one else has mentioned this. new owners may not solve all our problems.
We have needed investment since 2003, when David moores and Rick parry first began their search.
We ended up with Hicks and Gillett.

Its very possible that we could end up with sh*t new owners again. Especially considering the people negotiating the sale.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:40 am

Well as I've said a couple of times, I'm not going to berate anbyone for any fun they poke/total disrespect they show in the direction of the manager. I had it for years, this "get behind the team" stuff as soon as you voiced an opinion on a forum.

As for the "burying your head in the sand" stuff, I'm personally not going to get into that either. If people are determined to wallow in a pit of "woe is me" depression, the back of their hand firmly pressed against their forhead, that's up to them. We've got as good team and a good manager, so I'm being positive as usual.

by **lakes10** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:56 am

Untill late last night i was 100% sure that Rot could keep Torres at our club.

but after talking to a friend it seem Toress might have set the wheels moving 6 weeks before going to the world cup....and they might be harrd to stop due to the amount of money he could make from the deal.
the club would also stand to make some very silly money out of the player.
but there is fear that due to the way he looks at the world cup his price might come down and this is making the wheels move faster.

so for the first time i will say there is a very real danger that Torres might not be at our club next year.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:24 am

Lakes, I can also reveal that there is a chance is he will be still here next season. In fact, unconfirmed reports eminating from my window cleaner are indicating that he will either stay, or he will go. My window cleaner is never wrong on such matters, so I'll keep everyone posted.

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