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Postby mart » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:39 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
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LFC2007 wrote:He should be able to achieve that so why can't people be a bit more open to the possibilities of what we could achieve under him, instead of why we're "certain to fail"

Because of the clubs financial situation. The doom and gloom feeling isnt really about what Hodgson can or cant do.

Of course, because we already know that for the club to move forward in the long-run, we need new owners. That's a given; but within the context of the "revised" expectations for the coming season, we should still be able to "achieve" a reasonable position, barring a complete sell off of all or most of our key players with little or none of any funds being reinvested. I don't believe that'll happen, though.

Yes we might be able to battle for 4th depending on how our squad looks when the season starts. Personally i dont think we will make it, but not because of Hodgson.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:52 pm

Sorry Roy but feck this wandering what Fergie is gonna think and i hope i dont upset him lark off,
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Postby Steve Crooks » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:47 am

Lets put to bed all this stuff about Roy's ""poor record"" :sleep

1. Come on.. Switzerland and Finland are never going to win the world cup now are they?
2. In his first season at Blackburn they finished 7th (previous season they were in relegation battle). His last season was blighted by a lot of internal problems.
3. Fulham are never going to be title challengers now are they?
4. He took Inter from a mid table team to a top 3 team.

While it is true to say he has never won any major honours. It is blatantly obvious that the reason why is because he has pretty much only been with clubs that could never win major honours!

The truth is, he has done well with the vast majority of the jobs he has taken on. Over achieving with below average clubs.

Is he going to take Liverpool back where we belong, competing for trophies? I have no idea and nobody else does either.. I am going to get right behind him though.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:57 am

NANNY RED wrote:Sorry Roy but feck this wandering what Fergie is gonna think and i hope i dont upset him lark off,

But he actually makes the point that he's ready to allow being manager for Liverpool upset his relationship with Fergie. The article was light hearted, let's not look too deeply into it.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:55 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Well you pair are full of sh*t, I see...

Do everyone a favour and knock your heads together to save your pimp the bother.

Liverpool 442 could teach you both something.


Full of sh'it you say?
Are you denying what Ive said here?
Are you contradicting the FACTS?
You are in truth the one whos chocker, brimming to the top full of excrement
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Postby NANNY RED » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:08 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Sorry Roy but feck this wandering what Fergie is gonna think and i hope i dont upset him lark off,

But he actually makes the point that he's ready to allow being manager for Liverpool upset his relationship with Fergie. The article was light hearted, let's not look too deeply into it.

Didnt have to make any point at all though publicly , and im not havin a go at him ,i just think he should of kept quiet on what Fergie will think of him Joke or not,
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Postby Big Niall » Mon Jul 05, 2010 11:30 am

Why are people questioning Roy?

Any manager needs 3 years before we can judge him.

Let's just support him instead of putting pressure on him.
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Postby Fauxy » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:02 pm

Big Niall wrote:Why are people questioning Roy?

Any manager needs 3 years before we can judge him.

Let's just support him instead of putting pressure on him.

He will probs be retired in 3 years  :laugh:
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Postby dawson99 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:34 pm

Fauxy wrote:
Big Niall wrote:Why are people questioning Roy?

Any manager needs 3 years before we can judge him.

Let's just support him instead of putting pressure on him.

He will probs be retired in 3 years  :laugh:

I don't get it  ???
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:56 pm

People will support and back him because he is Liverpool manager and as Liverpool fans we should always support and back the person in he job - off course as we have seen over the years things and have changed and people will only support when they are happy with everything so I have no doubt if things don't go well he tide will turn against the manager . Despite all that people are fully entitled to be worried about the appointment and be disappointed with it and are entitled to question his track record and credentials to be a manager at a top club .
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:02 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:People will support and back him because he is Liverpool manager and as Liverpool fans we should always support and back the person in he job - off course as we have seen over the years things and have changed and people will only support when they are happy with everything so I have no doubt if things don't go well he tide will turn against the manager . Despite all that people are fully entitled to be worried about the appointment and be disappointed with it and are entitled to question his track record and credentials to be a manager at a top club .

Funniest post Ive ever read.. talk  about covering all the posts..

So what you are basically saying is Liverpool fans are the best coz they support their manager as they should, but they dont always but thats ok coz we should look at their record first!!

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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:09 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:People will support and back him because he is Liverpool manager and as Liverpool fans we should always support and back the person in he job - off course as we have seen over the years things and have changed and people will only support when they are happy with everything so I have no doubt if things don't go well he tide will turn against the manager . Despite all that people are fully entitled to be worried about the appointment and be disappointed with it and are entitled to question his track record and credentials to be a manager at a top club .

Funniest post Ive ever read.. talk  about covering all the posts..

So what you are basically saying is Liverpool fans are the best coz they support their manager as they should, but they dont always but thats ok coz we should look at their record first!!

:help

Questioning the appointment and being disappointed in the appointment and also worrying about his credentials doesn't mean people won't support him as manager
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Postby jacdaniel » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:13 pm

Big Niall wrote:Why are people questioning Roy?

Any manager needs 3 years before we can judge him.

Let's just support him instead of putting pressure on him.

not entirely true. 
You can win the Champions league in your first year, FA Cup in your second and Champions league runner up in your third and then have a bad season and people will call you s.hit.

Whether we like it or not, football these days is based on the last season.  have a bad season = getting sacked.  make some progress and you'll get more time.

in the modern game.. sometimes i wonder whether winning the Carling Cup would be better than finishing 2nd in the PL or CL.
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Postby bigmick » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:21 pm

I'll do what I've always done with Liverpool managers, support them until they've categorically proven they aren't taking the club forward having been given a good go. I think Roy is a good appointment who will do a good job, and as such I think he deserves A MINIMUM of three seasons to see what he's all about. That doesn't mean of course that you'd agree with every selection or every purchase (and of course you can say so on a forum), but it does mean that any sensible supporter should be prepared to give him a fair crack of the whip. Not all will (as some have incredibly shown already), but most who have a resemblance of a clue will.

Two of the main things which frustrated me with fans previously were the fact that if you criticised a substitution it meant you weren't a "real fan", and secondly peolpe were extremely reluctant to talk about a minimum standard of achievement (just as well as it turned out but I digress) for the manager. I won't be doing either of those things with the new manager. People can criticise before he's even had a game in charge, they can wrist slash, head bash and teeth gnash, they can doom and gloom till their hearts content, and it's all good. Roy doesn't read newkit I'm sure of it, and just as I said it was OK to criticise the previous manager on here (not abuse though obviously, I never did that) it's ok for those that see fit to criticise Roy. I'm not going to berate people for taking the p!ss out of the way the man talks, for showing absolutely no respect whatsoever even though he's our manager, that's for the other people to reconcile with themselves. Equally, the irony of their stance in comparison to previous managers is for them to come to terms with, and I'll not be getting embroiled in discussions on the subject.

On the question of "minimum standard", well I agree with the majority. There's little point in sacking a manager to replace him with someone who doesn't do the job any better. To that end, if Roy (or Woy for those who choose to disrepect him) can't get us to finish higher than seventh THIS SEASON and can't get us to see of the likes of Reading at Home in the Cup, AND can't get us to play better football than the dross we served up last season, then he will rightly come under pressure. That is my minimum standard. I'll even go further and answer some of the inevitable questions which will no doubt come in (mixed in of course with the inevitable insults), this applies EVEN IF WE SELL GERRARD AND MASHERANO.

If we can't finish higher than seventh, Roy will come under pressure. Not from me obviously, because I think he should be given a minimum of three seasons, but from some of our less patient fans. Some are on his case before he's even had a game, so it's inevitable that that particular faction will grow if the team doesn't improve.
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Postby JC_81 » Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:29 pm

Just to play devil's advocate Mick, if we're 15th in the league by Christmas does he still deserve three seasons before deciding if he's any good?

I don't think that's where we will be, but equally I don't see where the cut off of three seasons comes from.  If we finish lower than 7th next season, he'll be out, I guarantee it.

My own opinion however is that we will finish higher than 7th and I'm optimistic we'll finish in the top four.
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