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by **Maickito** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:32 pm

Its funny to hear people talk about clueless thinking i.e. having no one lined up to replace Benitez because I seem to remember Benitez f---u--cking up a title winning team by :censored:

off one our best players then having no adequate replacement for him

Lets face it , Benitez fell on his own sword ( mis managed too many players who ultimately were fed up of him in the end )

Welcome to Liverpool Mr. Hodgson

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:34 pm

shabelle50 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:I think Hodgson is an excellent choice and will bring a certain level of decency back to the Manager's fold. He's articulate, clever, dry; has a really decent record as a manager and may just be the chap who takes LFC forward on what will most likely be a shoestring budget. The negativity surrounding the news that he may be our next manager is bewildering! The club is in a really sorry state at the moment due to factors we all know about but at least we can all get behind the man who was voted Manager of the Year last season in the toughest League in the world!!!

If he is so good why has he won next to nothing of any significance - winning manager of the year is a nothing award - he won it because he got to a final !

What had Shankly won before he was appointed manager of Liverpool?

Shanks was 46 when he took over Liverpool. What age is Roy? 62? If he hasn't done the business by now for some other club, chances are he'll never do it, especially taking over in the state we're in. TO even use Shankly as a reference is a joke. Hodgson is a journyman. That's all. He's not here to take us to the next level and that's the biggest disappointment for me.

by **TheLad** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:35 pm

Welcome Roy and good luck! You got my full backing.

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:35 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Rafa, last season at least, brought chaos, frustration and misery.

And why do you think that was? Ok selling Alonso was the start of his demise, but we should have bought Tevez and Silva and the whole team was deflated when these players did not arrive.

We all know Rafa argued constantly with Gob & Sh!te, over money and taking the club forward, is Roy going to be amune to this?

Al Fayed is a good man and loves Roy not like twit & Tw@tter who will promise him the world and give him fuck all, I hope he knows what he's letting himself in for with a board who dont know their @rse from their elbow, and he needs to watch his back for all them knives that will be stabbed in it.

I can understand your fear and dissillusionment but we have to be positive.
Rafa is gone whatever people thought of him and we have a new man to try and get us back on track
Criticising or ridiculing him before the season starts is not going to make us better.
Hes here to help us
Lets all remember that

Help us, or help them?

I take it you mean the w'anks?
I believe hes here to help us

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:36 pm

Good piece by Tony Evans.

Roy Hodgson enters den of uncertainty

Tony Evans

Roy Hodgson’s appointment as Liverpool manager will throw up more questions than answers. The manager’s chair at Anfield has long been one of football’s plum jobs. For most of Hodgson’s career in the dugout — which started with Halmstads in Sweden in 1976 — the 62-year-old must have looked with envy at the stability and resources of the Merseyside club.

Since 1959, when Bill Shankly arrived, every subsequent appointment has found a stable environment and a war chest of cash to greet him on his unveiling. Hodgson will find neither.

Since George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks acquired the club in a leveraged buyout three years ago, the nature of Liverpool has changed. Debt and discontent lurk at Anfield, where before there was prosperity and promise.

Hodgson’s first job will be to persuade players with global reputations not to desert an institution that carries an air of decay. Will Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Javier Mascherano, Pepe Reina and the rest of Anfield’s stars commit themselves to a season shorn of Champions League football? What can Hodgson offer to convince them that trophies and the big time will return to Anfield? Fulham’s run to the Europa League final and twelfth-place league finish last season will do little to impress the squad.

A year ago, under Rafael Benítez, the leading players were given assurances by the club’s top brass that things would improve. The promises were broken and morale and results deteriorated. Has Christian Purslow, the managing director, any credible ammunition to supply Hodgson with in his battle to maintain the squad?

And is there any will to do this in Anfield’s boardroom? With debts to the Royal Bank of Scotland in the region of £351 million, a £120 million summer sale would allow a large tranche of cash to be paid off. Hodgson’s pickings from such a scenario would appear superficially substantial — £20 million, say — but a scant amount to replace Gerrard and Torres.

Then there is the fate of another Liverpool big name, who could damage the new regime irreparably with a single gesture. Kenny Dalglish’s role at Anfield has been vague. An ambassador, with responsibilities at the academy, is the official explanation.

But, whether employed by the club or not, he is the keeper of Liverpool’s soul. His significance is huge, for fans, for players and for the new manager. Dalglish is friends with Hodgson but, when asked by Purslow to assess candidates to replace Benítez, the Scot balked at the shortlist and proposed filling the job himself. From that point, Dalglish was sidelined from the selection process.

Symbolism is important to these fans. On Sunday, in parody of Independence Day in the United States, they will protest against the American owners. Many will lionise Hodgson’s predecessor — Benítez is admired as much for his fight against Hicks and Gillett as for his trophies. He arrived before the new owners and was never tainted by association. The new man will not be so lucky.

The mood of unhappiness is palpable, from the top earners to the terraces. It is hard to see how any newcomer could make sense or bring succour to such a situation.

Where does this leave Hodgson? As a fine manager who could not resist the lure of the job of a lifetime. However, little in a career that has spanned 12 clubs and three international jobs will have prepared him for the dysfunction he will encounter at Anfield.

None of this mess is Hodgson’s fault but it is now his responsibility. If he can turn things round, he will warrant a place with the managerial greats. He deserves some sympathy and understanding while he tries. It is hard to see, among the anger and clamour, that leeway being given.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto....904.ece

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:36 pm

Maickito wrote:Its funny to hear people talk about clueless thinking i.e. having no one lined up to replace Benitez because I seem to remember Benitez f---u--cking up a title winning team by off one our best players then having no adequate replacement for him

Lets face it , Benitez fell on his own sword ( mis managed too many players who ultimately were fed up of him in the end )

Welcome to Liverpool Mr. Hodgson

When did Rafa f*ck up a title winning team? And you're talking about people "talking about clueless thinking"? The irony of your post.

by **Dundalk** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:38 pm

Ciggy wrote:None of this mess is Hodgson’s fault but it is now his responsibility.

So why are you saying "Fuck off Roy" before he has even got here?

by **Maickito** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:38 pm

RBGoggles I've nothing but respect for the people living in Liverpool who go to Anfield week in and week out ( spending their money and supporting the club )

But I'm also very envious that you and others are in that position. Don;t belittle a supporter because of their geographic location.
Liverpool is a club for everyone. You are wrong - a lot of people wanted Rafa gone. It wasn't a question of is he a nice guy.

He simple didn't cut it in the League. I'm not trying to cheeky but let him run the local counsel if you feel he gives you a voice.

by **Thommo's perm** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:41 pm

I certainly hope that the negativity and the brutal disrepect being shown for our new manager doesnt show itself at Anfield, because I promise you, it will fu'ck us up good and proper.
Definitely

by **tubby** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:44 pm

This appointment is underwhelming to say the least. Still can't believe this has happened.

:censored:

football

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:44 pm

one things for certain the yanks have there YES man in place, no doubt already briefed on who wont be in the squad come the start of the season.

by **Maickito** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:44 pm

Emerald red he :censored:

off Alonso which left us with Lucas in the middle. He failed to get an adequate replacement. He switched back to a cagey type of game plan which didn't work in any previous season. He started making ridiculous decisions once again. We finished 7th by the way. 6 years ago when he had his first press conference would you have accepted him if you knew he'd get no where nearer a title than Houllier and in fact finish 7th?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:44 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:I can understand your fear and dissillusionment but we have to be positive.
Rafa is gone whatever people thought of him and we have a new man to try and get us back on track
Criticising or ridiculing him before the season starts is not going to make us better.
Hes here to help us
Lets all remember that

You be positive

I will be a realist 25 yrs I held a Season ticket .. and never at any time have I felt so lost and betrayed

I'm sure Mr Purslow will be gloating quietly over his assumption he has won the war ... but this coming 4th of July he will know of our real feeling surrounding this sham and the large swell of hatred we share for this grade A cunt and his employers and that's where I will be making my feelings known... where it matters

You pretend that Roy is the answer to all our ills and you remember he is here to help you ... I will be busy remembering the time when Liverpool Football Club courted and flirted with winning with unheralded success, and would never lay down while strangers to our shores wiped their muddy cowboy boots on our subservient backs

by **Ciggy** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:50 pm

Dundalk wrote:So why are you saying "Fuck off Roy" before he has even got here?

Because Im not fuckin happy about it thats why, Im extremly angry at the way liverpool is being run into the ground by 4 tw@ts who havent got a footballing brain between them.

Look he's a nice bloke but not good enough to take us forward if he proves me wrong I will be the first person to hold my hands up and say so.

by **Dundalk** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:55 pm

I understand your anger and frustration Ciggy but its case of dont shoot the messenger

Throw all your anger towards the two clown (which I know you are doing) but leave Roy out it it for the mean time, if things dont go well and he starts to fuck up then Ill be the first on here with you saying fuck of Roy.

But he does deserve a chance - whos knows what this might bring?

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