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[gato_busta]

i'm sure that there will be a few departures at the end of the season.

I vote for Mori to go first ... who with me ?

This looks more of a discussion about who is our worst striker...

The first one to leave will be Cisse. He's playing on the right wing right now because he already proved he is not good enough as a striker, he is only the top goalscorer because of the qualifying games for the CL.  He has almost the same goal per game average as Morientes in the Premiership and is even more frustrating to watch than Moro. Morientes has just been in Liverpool for a little over a year, Cisse will leave first.

[LiverpoolMadman]

The first one to leave will be Cisse. He's playing on the right wing right now because he already proved he is not good enough as a striker, he is only the top goalscorer because of the qualifying games for the CL.  He has almost the same goal per game average as Morientes in the Premiership and is even more frustrating to watch than Moro. Morientes has just been in Liverpool for a little over a year, Cisse will leave first.

He played RM because RAFA FAIL to sign one RM this season .

[gato_busta]

The first one to leave will be Cisse. He's playing on the right wing right now because he already proved he is not good enough as a striker, he is only the top goalscorer because of the qualifying games for the CL.  He has almost the same goal per game average as Morientes in the Premiership and is even more frustrating to watch than Moro. Morientes has just been in Liverpool for a little over a year, Cisse will leave first.

He played RM because RAFA FAIL to sign one RM this season .

yeah, wish the club would not have wasted 14 million pounds on a certain striker... If Rafa had that budget to bring a RM...

[LiverpoolMadman]

yeah, wish the club would not have wasted 14 million pounds on a certain striker... If Rafa had that budget to bring a RM...

I agree ... we wasted a striker to played in RM but he manage to score more than 15 goals this season.

[Ciggy]

He played RM because RAFA FAIL to sign one RM this season .

Look Liverpool Madman, Cisse infuriates most Liverpool fans, with his constant face pulling and titty lip if the balls not placed directly at his feet he throws a wobbler.
On saturday another perfect example he got pushed off the ball turned round looked at the ref for a foul that wasnt given, was moaning like fuck whilst two Wigan players had possession of the ball Gerrard was screaming at him go and get the ball this took around a minute then the ball got hit upto Wigans half.
If he cut out these tantrums he would endear fans to him, but not with this attitude.
The problem with Cisse is he needs to be the star player at a club, and he's not at Liverpool, although he is our most expensive signing to date, he loves himself and his ego is bigger than the footballer he actually is.

[gato_busta]

yeah, wish the club would not have wasted 14 million pounds on a certain striker... If Rafa had that budget to bring a RM...

I agree ... we wasted a striker to played in RM but he manage to score more than 15 goals this season.

Are you talking about Gerrard or Cisse? Cisse has 12 goals this season. Gerrard is the only player in the team that has over 15 goals (18 actually) and by the way, he is too being played out of position.

[marcus.c]

I think Cisse and Crouch, both of them are over-rated. Cisse tends to be selfish and lacks of vision. Crouch does not have the consistency and he cannot score when given the opportunity in big games. Look at the game against Man Utd and Shitski? We dominated the first 25mins of the game at Old Trafford, Crouch has so many chances. If only his heading did not let him down. It is a similar story at stamford bridge.

A top rated striker, playing in a big game has to always take its chances well. Because goal scoring chances isn't always going to come and it is always going to be a tight game.

I am afraid this will continue for quite a while. When your club top scorer is from a midfielder, something is seriously wrong upfront. RB regconise the problem which is why he brought in Fowler, perhaps a desperation move? Fowler was once the best in town but perhaps, he has gone over the hill.

In my opinion, Owen is still the best! Look at the rate he puts the ball behind the net? Liverpool should have gone all out to sign Owen back. Only Owen can solve this lack of goal crisis. He understands the game, he reads the game perfectly and most importantly he score plenty of goals.

[LiverpoolMadman]

but not with this attitude.

Yes, I do agree his "attitude" need to change but why he change ?

Let put in these way ,

Let say that you are CISSE, you are scoring GOALS ( No matter who are you facing bottomline you score goals )
How you do feel if you have done your job ( scoring GOALS ) but still your manager tell the world that you are still NOT good as a striker. Do you feel good or bad ?

[LiverpoolMadman]

In my opinion, Owen is still the best! Look at the rate he puts the ball behind the net? Liverpool should have gone all out to sign Owen back. Only Owen can solve this lack of goal crisis. He understands the game, he reads the game perfectly and most importantly he score plenty of goals.

I agree BUT I cant forget the way he turn his back on Liverpool when we need him to sign.

[marcus.c]

In my opinion, Owen is still the best! Look at the rate he puts the ball behind the net? Liverpool should have gone all out to sign Owen back. Only Owen can solve this lack of goal crisis. He understands the game, he reads the game perfectly and most importantly he score plenty of goals.

I agree BUT I cant forget the way he turn his back on Liverpool when we need him to sign.

Owen has been with Liverpool since young. I believe he must have ponder for quite a while on whether to leave Liverpool and i do not think it was an easy decision for him. Maybe behind the scenes, there are certain things that happened, which makes him decided to move to Real. We do not know. We can only speculate.

We are all just humans. And we make mistakes. Playing football in a league, is like just another career - a job. Everyone wants to do well in their own career.

If RB were to go all out to sign Owen, when the transfer window open. And The Kop rally behind RB's decision.

Owen would feel very touch. He would also feel sad for disappointing his fans.  If he sees how much we want him and how much RB goes all there and wants to sign him back, he will think of RB as a magnanimous person, that is willing to put aside all differences.

And that alone, will fire him up. He will prove to all of us, especially RB. And if he does sign, that season... Owen will become top scorer and we will win the EPL.

[115-1073096938]

but not with this attitude.

Yes, I do agree his "attitude" need to change but why he change ?

Let put in these way ,

Let say that you are CISSE, you are scoring GOALS ( No matter who are you facing bottomline you score goals )
How you do feel if you have done your job ( scoring GOALS ) but still your manager tell the world that you are still NOT good as a striker. Do you feel good or bad ?

You don't care who he scores against?

He scores only against rubbish. Playing him against the good sides is a bad move as its like playing with ten men.

If he doesn't score, he simply doesn't contribute in any other way whatsoever and he doesn't score enough goals to play like this.

In the league Sissy has scored FOUR GOALS in 23 LEAGUE GAMES. FOUR of those games he starts as a right winger. FIFTY PERCENT (50%) of his goals were penalties.

That is simply not good enough.

Now, to put any doubt about him to bed, lets have a look:

11/02/2006 Premiership Wigan Ath. 0-1 Liverpool * 0   
08/02/2006 Premiership Charlton Ath. 2-0 Liverpool 0   
05/02/2006 Premiership Chelsea 2-0 Liverpool * 0   
29/01/2006 F.A. Cup Portsmouth 1-2 Liverpool 0   
22/01/2006 Premiership Man Utd. 1-0 Liverpool 0   
14/01/2006 Premiership Liverpool * 1-0 Tottenham H. 0   
07/01/2006 F.A. Cup Luton Town 3-5 Liverpool 0 Y
02/01/2006 Premiership Bolton Wdrs. 2-2 Liverpool * 0   
31/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool 1-0 West Brom. 0   
28/12/2005 Premiership Everton 1-3 Liverpool 1   Defender slips gifting him a chance which he takes in world class style
26/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 2-0 Newcastle Utd. 0   
15/12/2005 World Club Champio Liverpool 3-0 Deportivo Saprissa 0   
10/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 2-0 Middlesbrough 0   
03/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 3-0 Wigan Ath. 0   
26/11/2005 Premiership Man City 0-1 Liverpool 0 Y
23/11/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 0-0 Real Betis 0   
19/11/2005 Premiership Liverpool 3-0 Portsmouth 1   Scores a flukey lob from a freak position
05/11/2005 Premiership Aston Villa 0-2 Liverpool 0   
01/11/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 3-0 Anderlecht 1   Can't remeber this goal
29/10/2005 Premiership Liverpool 2-0 West Ham Utd. 0   
22/10/2005 Premiership Fulham 2-0 Liverpool 0   
19/10/2005 Champions League Anderlecht 0-1 Liverpool 1   Was unmarked at a corner, however shown good technique for the volley, had the keeper not gone to ground, he would have saved it, good finish it was though
15/10/2005 Premiership Liverpool 1-0 Blackburn R. 1   penalty
02/10/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 1-4 Chelsea 0   
28/09/2005 Champions League Liverpool 0-0 Chelsea 0   
24/09/2005 Premiership Birmingham C. 2-2 Liverpool * 1   penalty
18/09/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 0-0 Man Utd. 0   
13/09/2005 Champions League Real Betis 1-2 Liverpool * 0   
10/09/2005 Premiership Tottenham H. 0-0 Liverpool 0   
26/08/2005 European Super Cup Liverpool * 3-1 CSKA Moscow 2   One was a hand ball to get him through the other was down to poor goalkeeping as the ball went straight through him
23/08/2005 Champions League Liverpool 0-1 CSKA Sofia 0   
20/08/2005 Premiership Liverpool 1-0 Sunderland 0   
13/08/2005 Premiership Middlesbrough 0-0 Liverpool * 0   
10/08/2005 Champions League CSKA Sofia 1-3 Liverpool 1   
02/08/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 2-0 FBK Kaunas 1   
26/07/2005 Champions League FBK Kaunas 1-3 Liverpool 1   
19/07/2005 Champions League T.N.S. 0-3 Liverpool 1   
13/07/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 3-0 T.N.S. 0   

As you can see, he only scored two goals of importance, one was a penalty, the other down to a defensive error.

attempt at a footballer.

[dawson99]

stu, can u do the same thing for crouch now too?

[115-1073096938]

stu, can u do the same thing for crouch now too?

Crouch offers a touch, a pass, someone to hit from the back and also someone who can pass to a team mate.

Dawson, if i had the time and energy, i'd go through how many of our goals he's had a major impact on. If you think back to the likes of Luton away, he held the ball up inside the 18yard box, something Sissy wouldn't do, against Betis away for Luis Garcia's goal, he held the ball up then played a great pass into Zenden who crossed for Luis Garcia to tap in, against Newcastle, the ball played in from the wing where he played a perfect pass into Gerrard's path who was running into the area at full speed allowing him to score.

If you can't see that Crouch brings other things to the game mate I advise you to go to anfield more often and watch the team. First and foremost he can control a ball and pass to a team mate, secondly he works hard and presses players and causes problems for the opposition. Cisse does none of this.

I actually find some people ignorance towards Crouch laughable and wonder why they even bother claiming to support the club if they can't see he's a decent player.

No-one says he's world class, bu he's a damn site better than Sissy.

[red_guy]

but not with this attitude.

Yes, I do agree his "attitude" need to change but why he change ?

Let put in these way ,

Let say that you are CISSE, you are scoring GOALS ( No matter who are you facing bottomline you score goals )
How you do feel if you have done your job ( scoring GOALS ) but still your manager tell the world that you are still NOT good as a striker. Do you feel good or bad ?

You don't care who he scores against?

He scores only against rubbish. Playing him against the good sides is a bad move as its like playing with ten men.

If he doesn't score, he simply doesn't contribute in any other way whatsoever and he doesn't score enough goals to play like this.

In the league Sissy has scored FOUR GOALS in 23 LEAGUE GAMES. FOUR of those games he starts as a right winger. FIFTY PERCENT (50%) of his goals were penalties.

That is simply not good enough.

Now, to put any doubt about him to bed, lets have a look:

11/02/2006 Premiership Wigan Ath. 0-1 Liverpool * 0   
08/02/2006 Premiership Charlton Ath. 2-0 Liverpool 0   
05/02/2006 Premiership Chelsea 2-0 Liverpool * 0   
29/01/2006 F.A. Cup Portsmouth 1-2 Liverpool 0   
22/01/2006 Premiership Man Utd. 1-0 Liverpool 0   
14/01/2006 Premiership Liverpool * 1-0 Tottenham H. 0   
07/01/2006 F.A. Cup Luton Town 3-5 Liverpool 0 Y
02/01/2006 Premiership Bolton Wdrs. 2-2 Liverpool * 0   
31/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool 1-0 West Brom. 0   
28/12/2005 Premiership Everton 1-3 Liverpool 1   Defender slips gifting him a chance which he takes in world class style
26/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 2-0 Newcastle Utd. 0   
15/12/2005 World Club Champio Liverpool 3-0 Deportivo Saprissa 0   
10/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 2-0 Middlesbrough 0   
03/12/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 3-0 Wigan Ath. 0   
26/11/2005 Premiership Man City 0-1 Liverpool 0 Y
23/11/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 0-0 Real Betis 0   
19/11/2005 Premiership Liverpool 3-0 Portsmouth 1   Scores a flukey lob from a freak position
05/11/2005 Premiership Aston Villa 0-2 Liverpool 0   
01/11/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 3-0 Anderlecht 1   Can't remeber this goal
29/10/2005 Premiership Liverpool 2-0 West Ham Utd. 0   
22/10/2005 Premiership Fulham 2-0 Liverpool 0   
19/10/2005 Champions League Anderlecht 0-1 Liverpool 1   Was unmarked at a corner, however shown good technique for the volley, had the keeper not gone to ground, he would have saved it, good finish it was though
15/10/2005 Premiership Liverpool 1-0 Blackburn R. 1   penalty
02/10/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 1-4 Chelsea 0   
28/09/2005 Champions League Liverpool 0-0 Chelsea 0   
24/09/2005 Premiership Birmingham C. 2-2 Liverpool * 1   penalty
18/09/2005 Premiership Liverpool * 0-0 Man Utd. 0   
13/09/2005 Champions League Real Betis 1-2 Liverpool * 0   
10/09/2005 Premiership Tottenham H. 0-0 Liverpool 0   
26/08/2005 European Super Cup Liverpool * 3-1 CSKA Moscow 2   One was a hand ball to get him through the other was down to poor goalkeeping as the ball went straight through him
23/08/2005 Champions League Liverpool 0-1 CSKA Sofia 0   
20/08/2005 Premiership Liverpool 1-0 Sunderland 0   
13/08/2005 Premiership Middlesbrough 0-0 Liverpool * 0   
10/08/2005 Champions League CSKA Sofia 1-3 Liverpool 1   
02/08/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 2-0 FBK Kaunas 1   
26/07/2005 Champions League FBK Kaunas 1-3 Liverpool 1   
19/07/2005 Champions League T.N.S. 0-3 Liverpool 1   
13/07/2005 Champions League Liverpool * 3-0 T.N.S. 0   

As you can see, he only scored two goals of importance, one was a penalty, the other down to a defensive error.

attempt at a footballer.

Thank You Stu. 
Sell Cisse, he's

[dawson99]

stu, can u do the same thing for crouch now too?

Crouch offers a touch, a pass, someone to hit from the back and also someone who can pass to a team mate.

Dawson, if i had the time and energy, i'd go through how many of our goals he's had a major impact on. If you think back to the likes of Luton away, he held the ball up inside the 18yard box, something Sissy wouldn't do, against Betis away for Luis Garcia's goal, he held the ball up then played a great pass into Zenden who crossed for Luis Garcia to tap in, against Newcastle, the ball played in from the wing where he played a perfect pass into Gerrard's path who was running into the area at full speed allowing him to score.

If you can't see that Crouch brings other things to the game mate I advise you to go to anfield more often and watch the team. First and foremost he can control a ball and pass to a team mate, secondly he works hard and presses players and causes problems for the opposition. Cisse does none of this.

I actually find some people ignorance towards Crouch laughable and wonder why they even bother claiming to support the club if they can't see he's a decent player.

No-one says he's world class, bu he's a damn site better than Sissy.

stu, no offence, u know your football, but u r more biased than anyone i have ever met. anyone can make stats agree with them, 83% of people know that. are u putting everything in or just the bits that u remember more?

methinks u may be a little biased and im sure i could so the same thing for crouch this year where he did nothing and do something for cisse where he looks a little better.

shame on u stu, trying to cheat the fans here of true knowledge.

and stop with that 'get to anfield more' . u r biased, just wish ud admit it. i admit that cisse is rubbish dont i