Liverpool FC Forum

[stmichael]

I was listening to TALKSPORT this morning, with those two fat fookers Parry and Brazil, and in his wisdom, fat ar*e Parry's topic of conversation was "Sven should drop Owen".

I felt compelled to call, and when I got on air, Parry didnt like what I had to say and cut me off.

i heard that leon. i wondered if it was you actually. they're still on about it on talksport now.

everyone knows that parry is a bluenose t#sser who will talk up frey bentos (rooney) and have a go at mikey whenever he can. ok rooney has been great but the service to owen has been nothing short of abysmal so far.

class over form anyday. you can't drop owen.

[Leonmc0708]

yeah i pasted that article in because it sums up exactly how i feel.

Nothing wrong with agreeing with someone - I agreed wholeheartedly with his piece - but you could at least credit him as your source so that we know whose opinion it actually is.

Can an opinion not be shared by more than one person?

Do we all have a different opinion?

In my opinion No.

But thats just my opinion.

[ivor_the_injun]

Can an opinion not be shared by more than one person?

Do we all have a different opinion?

In my opinion No.

But thats just my opinion.

You're missing the point completely.

I've dabbled in writing for various papers, mags and websites over the years, and there's nothing more galling than stumbling across something you've written being passed off as someone else's work. There was one instance a while ago where someone had copied an entire article of mine, bunged their own name on it and then happily received about 6 pages of thanks and congratulations on the piece via their guestbook. And when someone scanned my article and pasted it on their forum, the f*cker had the gall to accuse me of plagiarising him.

So yeah - by all means nod in agreement with something you read, but is it asking too much for people to credit their sources? Obviously the "should Owen be in the first 11?" issue is a yes or no question, but that doesn't mean that people thinking "yes" should rip off a piece of writing that encapsulates the opinion really well. Even if you share his opinions, as far as that piece is concerned it's still his opinion, so people shouldn't be made to think that it's actually stmichael that's formed a good basis for their argument.

Anyway, he's edited his post, so I haven't a problem now.

And for the record - surely Vassell's troubled enough top class teams now to stop him being written off as a 20 minute wonder? I'm a huge Owen fan, but for me I've seen no reason why Sven shouldn't start with Vassell against Croatia and have Owen on the sidelines as the supersub option. Yes, you can point fingers at the supply he's (not) had, but Vassell seems more content to drop off, pick the ball up and create something for himself, which for some reason Michael's not doing right now.

And the form vs class argument is better applied to the Premiership than to tournaments like Euro 2004 - if Owen doesn't fire against Croatia, we could well be on the plane home. It's not like having a bad league match before Christmas and then atoning with a good run of form 3 months later.

[blind]

Who died and made you the f*cking moderator IVOR

Oh for f*ck's sake - I just took offence to the fact that someone's posting under their own ID passing off someone else's well-formed opinion as their own. It's misleading, not to mention plain f*cking lazy.

If someone from the BBC website pasted someone's opinion from this forum into a piece with their name on it, this whole place'd kick off big time, so why shouldn't we give credit where credit's due?

did you read the very start of the post as he says this article sums up how he felt ...


i am not bothered about the England situation it is when he come back that bothers me.

will he be as mediocre as he was last season.

[stmichael]

so if vassell comes in and has a nightmare then what happens?

[Paul C]

I think that Sven should drop Owen and see what his reaction is, usually when Owen is dropped he comes back off the bench will a point to prove, personally I don't think that Vassell can do any worse than Owen did against the Swiss cos all he did was stroll round without closing people down, he didn't look that ar5ed and in my opinion Rooney has taken all his limelight and he doesn't like it.

Thats just my say and I'm sure I'll get pulled to bits 

[maximus]

Good pick up Ivor, dont you just hate these people that rip off articles to make sure they come across as seriously in the know football experts, st Michael probably doesn't know another LFC captain further back than Stevie G!!!!

[stmichael]

Good pick up Ivor, dont you just hate these people that rip off articles to make sure they come across as seriously in the know football experts, st Michael probably doesn't know another LFC captain further back than Stevie G!!!!

yeah whatever mate. i never claimed to have written it myself. if you actually read the post i said that it was an article that pretty much summed up what i felt aswell.

i can't even be bothered with some people on this forum at times.

[blind]

i read it as that and so assumed that it was a quote.

still unsure on if he will come through this time as he has been off form since returning from injury.

[ivor_the_injun]

yeah whatever mate. i never claimed to have written it myself. if you actually read the post i said that it was an article that pretty much summed up what i felt aswell.

i can't even be bothered with some people on this forum at times.

May I refer you to the "Edited by stmichael on June 18 2004,14:04" bit of stmichael's post. It didn't originally say "I think this article sums up the owen debate perfectly", as he well knows.

Also, if he was just going to paste a quote from it, why would he have changed the line:

"The cry for Vassell's introduction will continue, but in reality he is not in his rival's class."

to...

"The cry for Vassell's introduction will continue, but in reality he is not in mikey's class."

But whatever, I don't actually give a sh*t.

[begintoend]

Everything is wrong with Owen now. 1st touch, pace, vision, game reading, anticipation, aggression, control and self motivation, he lost it all. He is not the person that strikes fear to the opponents since.
In fact, the opposition are happy to mark him as it makes their job so simple. If England has to rely on such services, the loser's tag is theirs. Bring on Vasell. He is every bit better than Owen now. True to the fact midfield is not providing for the strikers, but Rooney did score. I believe that if you are not provided, cos you are making yourself un-providable!
Sven is still not playing England to the fullest potential. If he thinks 3-0 is good, that's because Swiss has 10 men. Owen, please let those that can carry your country further a chance.
Owen, A striker got to score goals, and you are not doing it!

[Leonmc0708]

yeah whatever mate. i never claimed to have written it myself. if you actually read the post i said that it was an article that pretty much summed up what i felt aswell.

i can't even be bothered with some people on this forum at times.

May I refer you to the "Edited by stmichael on June 18 2004,14:04" bit of stmichael's post. It didn't originally say "I think this article sums up the owen debate perfectly", as he well knows.

Also, if he was just going to paste a quote from it, why would he have changed the line:

"The cry for Vassell's introduction will continue, but in reality he is not in his rival's class."

to...

"The cry for Vassell's introduction will continue, but in reality he is not in mikey's class."

But whatever, I don't actually give a sh*t.

Get a life you sad geek.

[JohnBull]

Every time Owen's a problem on his mind his game goes down. It's happened over personal and business matters in the past.
What worries me is what is the problem this time? Is he off as well?

[ivor_the_injun]

Get a life you sad geek.

So you realise I've got a point then?

Basically I'd just come off the BBC site having read that article before I logged in here, instantly recognised the piece in stmichael's post, and then went back to check the BBC site when I saw the word "mikey" used to refer to Owen, as I thought that was unlike Mr McNulty, having read a lot of his stuff. Noticing the alteration wasn't geeky, but maybe going into this sort of detail to fight my corner is. stmichael's a bit out of order for not mentioning that he edited his post after I objected though.

Anyway, bored now. Returning to the topic, I think it's interesting to see that Owen's having a poor Euro 2004 so far while Baros is catching the eye. Seeing as though Benitez hasn't been able to have a look at either of them yet on the training ground, I just wonder whether or not their current form would have a bearing on any decisions to let one or the other go before next season.

I'd love to see both stay, and I know Owen'll hit form sooner or later both for club and country, but I must admit that a Cisse and Baros partnership doesn't sound too terrible to me.

[The_Rock]

i bet Sven GE must be wishing he had brought on defoe instead of heskey....... Dafoe could have replaced owen easily. Dafoe's pace and ronney's intelligent play can really rip open defences.