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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:56 pm

I'm sure that's the option that Didi faces: stick around and earn the wages while starting most games on the bench or move elsewhere to get more playing time.  I think the club has just been honest with Didi about playing time next season and have given him the option of talking to other clubs if he relishes more playing time.  But don't think for a moment that Rafa wouldn't be thrilled to have Didi stay as cover in the middle.
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Postby alessandromagno » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:14 pm

I thought Hamman said he was surprised that the club had agreed terms with Bolton.
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:14 pm

I think I would feel a little bit better about Didi going if it wasnt to f.kn Bolton!
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:22 pm

alessandromagno wrote:OK, but what if Sissoko gets injured or loses form? Hamman deserves his wages. Let him take them for one more year. No doubt he'll make a few critical performances again.

I think many of us would love to see Didi serve out his career at Liverpool . Get the feeling that your heart is ruling your head here .Sure ,most of us would prefer to see Didi drawing a wage with us even if he only made the occasional apperance rather than see him reduced to playing for the prem retirement home also known as Bolton .
The bottom line is that business is business ,and although we often moan about a players lack of loyalty to a club the same can often be said about a clubs loyalty to a player .

Didi obviously doesn't figure in rafa's plans so it's thanks Didi , don't let the door hit you on the way out .

Personally I'd like to see didi sit on our payroll but if he had to move I'd like to see him at someone like West Ham or Wigan , teams that could use his experience and would respect him for the player he is .

To finallay answer you question "what if Sissoko gets injured or loses form?"

Are you forgetting that apart from Hamman , Sissoko and Alonso we have another potentially great center midfield player on our books named Steven Gerrard ?  :D   :D   :D
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Postby The Specialist » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:37 pm

alessandromagno wrote:I think the main point was to ask why is Rafa happy to let Hamman go?

Because we have Somoza coming in. Atleast, I think that's been officially confirmed. Obviously, Didi's opportunites to play next season would be very limited. Rather than paying his wages and having him on the bench for most of the season, Rafa probably feels it is probably better for both parties to allow him to leave in search or regular football somewhere else. That's what I make of it.
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Postby JC_81 » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:40 pm

alessandromagno wrote:Got to say that so far, I'm not impressed. If Rafa has a fault (and of course he has many like all of us), it's a tendency to undervalue the individual contribution--and also a Latin quality that he shares with Gerrard Houllier, that involves taking unreasonable likings and dislikings to players not really based on valid football reasons.

What the hell does that paragraph actually mean? :laugh:
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:46 pm

john craig wrote:
alessandromagno wrote:Got to say that so far, I'm not impressed. If Rafa has a fault (and of course he has many like all of us), it's a tendency to undervalue the individual contribution--and also a Latin quality that he shares with Gerrard Houllier, that involves taking unreasonable likings and dislikings to players not really based on valid football reasons.

What the hell does that paragraph actually mean? :laugh:

:laugh:  :laugh:   :laugh:  pmsl

Gets even more sus when you add another part of the post

"He likes young players he can mould or little known players who will do a job"

What is he actually accusing Rafa of ?

Where's the Judge when you need him   :D
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Postby JC_81 » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:52 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
john craig wrote:
alessandromagno wrote:Got to say that so far, I'm not impressed. If Rafa has a fault (and of course he has many like all of us), it's a tendency to undervalue the individual contribution--and also a Latin quality that he shares with Gerrard Houllier, that involves taking unreasonable likings and dislikings to players not really based on valid football reasons.

What the hell does that paragraph actually mean? :laugh:

:laugh:  :laugh:   :laugh:  pmsl

Gets even more sus when you add another part of the post

"He likes young players he can mould or little known players who will do a job"

What is he actually accusing Rafa of ?

Where's the Judge when you need him   :D

Och the lad's got a point, I'm sick of that fecker Benitez anyway :laugh:
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Postby alessandromagno » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:01 pm

Well, I hope he decides to stay..and of course Sisok and Hamman are both holding midfield players and totally unlike Alonso and Gerrard.
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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:05 pm

alessandromagno wrote:Well, I hope he decides to stay..and of course Sisok and Hamman are both holding midfield players and totally unlike Gerrard.

:laugh:  Could you please pm that to Sven .

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Postby Lando_Griffin » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:27 am

alessandromagno wrote:Got to say that so far, I'm not impressed. If Rafa has a fault (and of course he has many like all of us), it's a tendency to undervalue the individual contribution--and also a Latin quality that he shares with Gerrard Houllier, that involves taking unreasonable likings and dislikings to players not really based on valid football reasons.

Now this is a prelude to talk about movement on the transfer market thgis close season--or lack of it! So far, I'm reminded of last year--lots of talk but not much action. Now, it's true that great players at reasonable prices are not exactly hanging off the trees. So why is Rafa so determined to get rid of Cisse and Hamman? Not to mention the repatriation of Morientes. One can understand the repatriation of Moro--but Cisse and Hamman? I think there's a good chance that we wouldn't have won either final over the last two years without the German. What if Sissoko gets injured or loses form?

Finally, why can Newcastle and other teams that never win anything pay money up front, while we seem to be always looking for the cheapest option available. I would believe that part of the explanation for the last question is that this is the way Rafa likes to do business. He likes young players he can mould or little known players who will do a job. He seems uneasy with proven stars like Owen, Gerrard and Hamman.

End of rant. Buy us some quality Rafa--and don't let Hamman go!

So.

In a nutshell, you're not impressed with the man who's won us the Champions' League, European Supercup and FA Cup in his first two seasons? OK.

Hamann will be commanding a massive wage, despite playing few games last season. (I like him, and want him to stay, but the fact is he's not even 2nd choice in his position.)

Newcastle can pay vastly inflated prices for players because Freddie Shepard - and let's be fair to him - is an absolute c*ck. He spends money like it grows on trees, without a great deal of success. (Shearer and Given are the only two I can think of who were worth what they paid.)

Cisse is rubbish. There is no escaping that fact. I like him, but I still think he's sh*t. He has the footballing brain of a packet of crisps. He has the technique of a washing board, and the attitude of a 2 year-old girl who's had her dolls taken away.

Rafael Benitez is committed to the future of LFC, and I for one trust him. I'm not saying "In Rafa we trust" like he's some sort of God, but I do believe whatever he decides will be for LFC's ultimate gain.
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Postby LFC #1 » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:44 am

The Specialist wrote:Because we have Somoza coming in. Atleast, I think that's been officially confirmed.

Who!?

I haven't heard any mention of this or read it anywhere?
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Postby TheoRacle » Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:35 am

LFC #1 wrote:
The Specialist wrote:Because we have Somoza coming in. Atleast, I think that's been officially confirmed.

Who!?

I haven't heard any mention of this or read it anywhere?

Isn' t that some kind of curry puff? :D

Lando will know....
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Postby Bretc » Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:41 am

The best manager in terms of moulding young players gotto be Arsene Wenger. Of cos his scouts play a big part too in getting the young players in the first place. I'm not sure how the likes of Barragan, Roque, Hobbs and Anderson etc compare against Van Persie, Fabregas and Toure. Rafa prefers getting the right players for his team, not necessarily star players. But sometimes u need the best option for a position and that would mean paying more - something Rafa will not do with our current financial situation. Rafa will only splash the cash if the board can somehow come out with more funds. What happened to the CL winnings? Did GH's spending spree realli hurt us so badly? Why is there no investigation into the transfer of Diomede? I still see it as a dodgy transfer. It's realli not fair for Rafa to work on such a tight budget and yet expect him to challenge for the title! The board should do something and do it fast!!!
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Postby flombs » Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:41 am

I dont know if this should have been submitted as a new topic
but...

Here are a couple of links to mull over in regarding Daniel Alves
hopefully coming to Liverpool. I think i may need the help of sabre to interpret the first link.

I quite like the guy, the couple of times i have seen him play
he was good. Maybe Sabre again can shed some light on him.And if he would fit with our style of play.

David Alves (Marca)

David Alves (Sky Sports)

I have also read (on another forum site) that David Alves has
confirmed that he would like to come to Liverpool on Sky Sports.
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