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Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard says his versatility means club and country don’t get the most out of him

Steven Gerrard ought to be the Bryan Robson de nos jours. Instead he is in danger of becoming a new Paul Madeley who, with Don Revie’s Leeds and England, was so proficient in a number of positions that he never settled in the one he wanted. The Liverpool captain regards himself as a central midfielder, full stop, and has come to regret the versatility that has seen him shunted into different roles, for club and country. He offers a startling statistic: in 68 appearances for England he has patrolled his preferred beat just five times. He could not recall Robson or Paul Ince playing wide on the left.

After undergoing groin surgery that has put him out of the World Cup qualifiers against Andorra and Croatia, Gerrard had time on his hands and was happy to chew the fat on a broad range of subjects, from the effect of Croesus-rich owners on the Premier League to Liverpool’s need for more “bottle” against Manchester United and Chelsea, his disappointment that the planned new stadium to replace Anfield had been delayed and his unavailability for England.

We met on the day the Arab takeover at Manchester City dominated the sports agenda. Such is the new-found wealth at Eastlands that the Daily Telegraph printed a stellar team that Mark Hughes could now afford to buy, featuring Gerrard in central midfield, alongside Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka and Lionel Messi. He loved that, particularly because he was in his “proper” position, and said: “Can I keep your paper?”

On a more serious note, he felt more competition at the top would enrich the Premier League but that there were worrying implications for English football. “For the past few years we’ve had the established top four, then a middle league, then the teams fighting relegation,” he said. “More wealthy owners coming in will make things more exciting because more teams will get stronger, but the other side is that foreign owners are going to buy even more foreign players, which will give the English lads less chance."

Liverpool have overseas owners in George Gillett and Tom Hicks, but the transatlantic takeover has hardly been an unbridled success, with enmity between the two partners leading to damaging divisions between the manager, Rafa Benitez, and the chief executive, Rick Parry, and leaving the new stadium on the back burner. Gerrard said: “We’ve been taken over by the Americans and it hasn’t all been rosy. It’s important foreign owners coming into our game realise it’s not all about them. The club is the priority, and our clubs are going to be here when they have gone. If they don’t understand that, there will be problems. There was a stage when it was worrying here, and when the infighting carries on for such a long time it affects players. You can’t help but worry about your club and think, ‘What if this or that happens?’ For the moment, the owners have put their differences behind them. The manager has been given money to spend, and the situation is better than it was a while ago. We’ll have to wait and see if the bad days are behind us.”

Benitez bought Robbie Keane (Tottenham), Albert Riera (Espanyol), Andrea Dossena (Udinese), Diego Cavalieri (Palmei-ras) and David Ngog (Paris St Germain) this summer for a total of more than £40m. Was it enough to improve on last season’s fourth place? “Time will tell,” Gerrard said, having experienced too many false dawns to be anything other than noncommittal. “The performances so far haven’t been that good, we’re still only in second or third gear. A few of the lads haven’t been 100% and I’ve been nowhere near it myself. We played well in preseason, but come the real deal we weren’t at the level we wanted. The promising thing is that the results have been good [Liverpool lie second with seven points from three games, and scraped past Standard Liege in the Champions League].”

By his own admission, Gerrard had not been at his best. Was the problem entirely physical? “I had a good rest in the summer and felt great when I came back,” he said. “Then, as soon as I went into training, the groin started niggling. One day it would be the right, then the left, and over a month’s preseason, it started to be a real worry. I strained both sides, which is a separate injury from the main groin problem I’ve got. The strains came about because I was training and playing differently to reduce the pain further up the pelvic bone.

“The decision about surgery was taken after our game against Standard Liege. I had a meeting with the club doctor on the day of the game and said the discomfort was getting to the stage where I couldn’t continue. I’d had to double, then treble, my dose of painkillers to train and play, and I was having to take them during games. You get to the stage where you can’t grind it out any longer. I told the doctor, ‘I can’t find my level, I can’t get to 100% because I’m missing training sessions and I don’t feel right in games. I don’t feel I can go to the max’. I couldn’t sprint flat out, couldn’t pass more than 30 yards and couldn’t shoot properly and, as much as you want to be out there for every game, there are times when you have got to forget about England and Liverpool and get yourself right.”

Benitez says he expects Gerrard to be fit in time for Manchester United’s visit next weekend, but the player doesn’t agree. “That’s a bit soon,” he said. “I’ve a decent chance for the Champions League game in Marseilles [September 16]. I’ve spoken to the manager and told him I’d like to do a certain amount of training before I come back. I don’t want to go into a big game only having had one session with the boys.”

Gerrard found it necessary to spell out such things to Benitez without equivocation. His position in the team, for example. “In the summer I looked him in the eye and told him where I want to play, which is centre midfield,” he said. “I told him that the way I like to play, you get the most out of me when I’m box-to-box, defending at one end, throwing in tackles, then getting my passing game going and getting to the edge of the box for shots. I find it difficult to play how I want to in the other positions.

“I love it when a manager says to me, ‘You’re playing in the middle, I want you to go and run this game’. That’s music to my ears. Rafa told me, when the Robbie Keane deal went through, that his plan was to play Keane behind [Fernando] Torres and to drop me back to play centrally. I know Rafa Benitez better than most people now and in some games he’ll ask me to play different roles, but he knows what I prefer.”

England, to his frustration, played him right or left, but rarely in the centre, and Gerrard believes this is because in the middle he requires a more defensive partner than Frank Lampard – a Didi Hamann or Nicky Butt type. He said: “When I played for Liverpool with Jamie Redknapp, I was the more defensive of the two, but when Didi came here he was an absolute dream for me. He helped take my game to the next level because he gave me the licence to go and express myself.   You get the best out of me when I’m playing with a disciplined midfielder who gives me that freedom to play box-to-box. I can operate in a deeper role - I did it for England against Brazil at Wembley and got man of the match - but it’s not something I really enjoy.”

Ideally, he would have a Butt-type figure, rather than a Lampard as his partner. He explained: “Nicky’s strength wasn’t getting into the box and scoring goals, it was breaking up play. He was a stopper. He suits the type of player I am - as it would suit Frank Lampard or Paul Scholes.”

For England, and to a lesser extent with Liverpool, he had become resigned to playing everywhere but where he wants. “I’ve paid the price for being able to do a decent job in other positions,” he said. “Other players don’t get shunted around because they can’t do it. I can’t go and play on the right or the left and become Kaka or Robinho, I just go out there, give 100% and do a steady job. I’ll work hard, do my bit defensively and help the team. That’s why managers do it to me, but it is affecting me. My game suffers when my position is changed. I’m a central midfielder and in the big games I want to play in the middle and show that I’m one of the very best in that position.

“For Liverpool, I’ve played everywhere bar in goal: centre-half at Coventry, left-back at Maine Road and right-back nearly 40 times. Five or six years ago, I used to hate playing on the right or the left with a passion, so much so that I couldn’t prepare properly for the game. It really used to destroy me but as the years have gone by, because it has happened to me so many times under different managers, I’ve got to the stage where I block it out and do the best I can. There are two options: you can go out there and give it your best shot or go up against the manager, in which case there’s only going to be one winner.”

He estimates that 65% of his 400 appearances for Liverpool have come in the centre of midfield. And England? “Much less. I’ve played in my favourite position for England five times in 68 games. What can you do? I go into training with England and try to prove myself every day. Every England manager I’ve worked under knows where I want to play, but they pick the formations and I play where I’m told.”

Of Liverpool’s prospects for the season, their captain said: “This time we’ve got to be in the title race with 10 games to go. Rafa knows that this is a big season for us, as far as the league is concerned. The fans are screaming out for it, the players want it and we need to deliver. If we’re out of the race again come January or February, there will be a lot of unhappy people around here, myself included.”

Winning the league would mean even more to Gerrard than the European Cup triumph of 2005. “The memories of Istanbul will go to the grave with me,” he said. “There isn’t a day goes by that I don’t think about it, but I want more memories. I want to get on another open-top bus and see another million people on the streets of Liverpool, acclaiming the league title. The city will explode if we win the league, and I don’t want it to happen when I’m retired. I’m 28 and realise the years are flying by. In November I’ll have been a first-teamer for 10 years and yet it seems like I only made my debut two or three months ago, I’ve enjoyed it that much. I want from 28 to 35 to be even better, and I feel my best years are ahead of me. I don’t want to retire and have just Istanbul and a couple of FA Cups to remember. It will be a disaster, personally, if I don’t win the league here.”

To do it, Liverpool have to be more positive, he felt. Manchester United and Chelsea had been afforded too much respect. “When we play them,” he said, “we’ve got to get the right balance between being organised and strong defensively, yet having the bottle to go and win. Going into these games negatively and too defensively, you can still lose, as we have done.

“Against Chelsea in the cups, we’ve ‘done’ them more than they’ve ‘done’ us, but in the league we have to be a bit more attack-minded to win. Over the last couple of years we’ve gone into games against United and Chelsea very organised tactically - defensive if you like - and still lost 1-0. Have the same sound defence and show more :censored: going forward, and it could be 1-0 to us. In these matches the first goal is massive; if you concede it, nine times out of 10 you don’t get back. It’s important a few risks are taken to try to score that goal against these teams because it gives you such a psychological boost.”

Mix and match: players famed for their versatility

STEVEN GERRARD By common consent, Gerrard’s best position is in central midfield. Celtic manager Gordon Strachan describes Gerrard as the best allround footballer he has ever seen, saying he would play him in central defence, midfield, on the wing or up front, all positions he has occupied for Liverpool. Gerrard himself says that most of the games he has played for England have been out of his favourite position

JOHN CHARLES One of the most gifted strikers of his generation but for reasons best known to themselves, Juventus frequently asked Charles to play centre-half. It did not stop the Welshman from scoring nearly 100 goals during his five years in Italy

GARY MABBUTT The Tottenham player won 16 England caps but was never able to establish himself at international level in either the back four or midfield, despite performing well enough in both roles - though after more than 600 games for Spurs few at White Hart Lane doubted he became a better player when he moved to central defence. Mabbutt himself didn’t care where he played

PHIL NEVILLE Perhaps even Neville doesn’t really know his best position. The Everton captain can play on the right or the left side, and although he made his name as a defender at Manchester United, he is regarded as an accomplished man-marker in midfield

RUUD GULLIT The Dutchman with the sublime skills and dreadlocks scored goals wherever he went (Feyenoord, PSV, Milan, Sampdoria and Chelsea) but wasn’t regarded as an out-and-out striker. He played much of his career in midfield and, latterly, was asked to perform as a sweeper

LUCAS RADEBE The epitome of versatility. The South African played in midfield, all along the back four and even in goal in a matter of weeks for Leeds United, and said he would play up front if asked to do so - since he failed to find the net in 200 games during his time at Elland Road, it’s probably just as well he never took the field as a striker

PAUL MADELEY The ‘player-without-portfolio’ during Leeds United’s glory era of the 1960s and 1970s. Madeley's prowess as a ‘utility’ player meant he was selected by manager Don Revie in all 10 outfield positions during his long Leeds career, often ahead of a specialist in that particular role. His versatility also brought him 24 England caps, but it really should have been more

Gerrard’s Premier dream

- Steven Gerrard says he would consider it a personal ‘disaster’ if he finished his Anfield career without a Premier League winner’s medal. ‘I don’t want to retire and have just Istanbul and a couple of FA Cups to remember’

- Gerrard admits that to make his dream a reality, Liverpool must be more positive against their biggest rivals Manchester United and Chelsea, saying that their record against the Big Two just isn’t good enough n Man Utd have beaten Liverpool in their past four encounters. Liverpool have not scored against United since February 2006 when Peter Crouch hit the only goal of an FA Cup fifth-round tie

- Liverpool have met Chelsea 20 times in the past four seasons, but under Rafa Benitez they have yet to score a league goal at Stamford Bridge
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Postby ConnO'var » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:50 am

Good read that..... undoubtedly some on here will interpret that as Stevie showing his mardy, "traitor waiting to happen", "all about me" side yet again..... Instead of seeing it as a driven, ambitious player who has given his best and won everything for the club in recent years, while giving everything he has, stating his preference and opinion on his preferred position. Being played as a prostitute over the years, in every which position, is a shame for the lad..... We've not seen Stevie at his TRUE best since Houllier's reign.

Stu's right...... he's really wasted at LFC under the current system. Time for us to cash in on him, perhaps? Give us a ton of cash to rebuild and start again? Could be a win-win situation for both parties. Let's face it, IMO, under Benitez, we'll never win the Premiership with the current squad (with or without Stevie) and the current system/philosophy. A drastic paradigm shift is required and IMO, Benitez is too stubborn to do it.


I couldn't stomach Stevie in another teams colours, truth be told. I'd rather change the figure at the helm and and change a few crew members for the good ship LFC... coz we're foundering at the moment.... and have been for the last 2 + seasons
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Postby bigmick » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:51 am

In all honesty, far from a "Stevie me" Gerrard has probably been too compliant over the years as various managers have tried to prove how clever they are by shifting him around the pitch. I like him on the right as I've said on many occasions, but he obviously sees himself as an out and out central midfielder which is fair enough. It's interesting that he talks about the "box to box" side of his play, as first Houllier tried to limit this by making him into a defensive midfielder, then Rafa has cut back on it by asking him to play as practically a second striker. We've not seen the "box to box" Gerrard for many a year and my suspicion is that rightly or wrongly, we won't while we have the current manager.

I went Englands friendly against the Czech Republic and despite denying it was the case under criticism from Harry Redknapp, Capello deployed Gerrard down the left hand side. Rafa has done this in the pasrt as well, oddly quoting the example of Ronaldhino who actually can play there, but it is a crime in my view to ask Gerrard to play down the left. You instantly take 20 or 30% away from his game, amnd although the England manager is proving slow to learn, I sincerely hope our own boss has binned the idea absolutely once and for all. This nonsense that sometimes gets spouted about "he should go where he's told for the good of the team" doesn't apply here either, if Gerrard is fit to play he'll do the team far more good centrally or on the right than he will ever do on the left.
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Postby Rush Job » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:01 am

bigmick wrote:In all honesty, far from a "Stevie me" Gerrard has probably been too compliant over the years as various managers have tried to prove how clever they are by shifting him around the pitch. I like him on the right as I've said on many occasions, but he obviously sees himself as an out and out central midfielder which is fair enough. It's interesting that he talks about the "box to box" side of his play, as first Houllier tried to limit this by making him into a defensive midfielder, then Rafa has cut back on it by asking him to play as practically a second striker. We've not seen the "box to box" Gerrard for many a year and my suspicion is that rightly or wrongly, we won't while we have the current manager.

I went Englands friendly against the Czech Republic and despite denying it was the case under criticism from Harry Redknapp, Capello deployed Gerrard down the left hand side. Rafa has done this in the pasrt as well, oddly quoting the example of Ronaldhino who actually can play there, but it is a crime in my view to ask Gerrard to play down the left. You instantly take 20 or 30% away from his game, amnd although the England manager is proving slow to learn, I sincerely hope our own boss has binned the idea absolutely once and for all. This nonsense that sometimes gets spouted about "he should go where he's told for the good of the team" doesn't apply here either, if Gerrard is fit to play he'll do the team far more good centrally or on the right than he will ever do on the left.

Agreed.
The only reason im advocating playing him down the right is because in a straight 442 we have no one else who could do half the job.
Our srongest side at the moment IMO has SG down the right.
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Postby bigmick » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:33 am

Rushie me and you are going to have to sort it out mate, that's about three things in the last week we've agreed 100% on. Are you mellowing a tad or is it you who's worn me down and broken down me resistence lol.
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:35 am

I just hate seeing Gerrard in the CM midfield.  I don't know if it's his partners' fault, but he is just so inconsistent in that position sometimes.  I just don't think that he has enough game intelligence to play in that role.  So many times he tries to do too many things and he ends up looking like a headless chicken out there.  Gerrard doesn't have the calmness to play in that role like Scholes or Fabregas and in my opinion he's much more effective on the right or just behind the striker.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:45 am

he is a great player and we should sell him before he is past his peak. simply because he doesnt deserve to retire without a league medal and under rafa, its never gonna happen. same goes for carragher. its a sin that such great english players are abused by england.
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Postby maguskwt » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:56 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:I just hate seeing Gerrard in the CM midfield.  I don't know if it's his partners' fault, but he is just so inconsistent in that position sometimes.  I just don't think that he has enough game intelligence to play in that role.  So many times he tries to do too many things and he ends up looking like a headless chicken out there.  Gerrard doesn't have the calmness to play in that role like Scholes or Fabregas and in my opinion he's much more effective on the right or just behind the striker.

he needs a more defensive minded midfielder that's all, and we have a great one in masch... I prefer him as an AM with a licence to roam... I don't like him as a second striker because that's not what he is... when gerrard played with torres up front, IMO he played more like an AM who had free role rather than a second striker... the latter would have played more up ...
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Postby maguskwt » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:59 am

he is a great player and we should sell him before he is past his peak. simply because he doesnt deserve to retire without a league medal and under rafa, its never gonna happen. same goes for carragher. its a sin that such great english players are abused by england


nonsense... Gerrard should retire a red... so you'd rather sell your best player to your rivals and help them get the league title instead of trying to win with him? asbsolutely feckin non-sense...
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:08 am

Gerrard is our best player in every position.
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Postby woof woof ! » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:22 am

I agree with Gerrard , CM is his best position. Surprised that he applauds Didi as a defensive partner but neglects to comment on Mascherano, who is surely one of the best DM's in the premiership ? .
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Postby bigmick » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:12 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:Gerrard is our best player in every position.

Perhaps it's that Scouse humour Leon but I can never really tell for sure if you're taking the p!ss or being serious. For my part, I don't know about "every" position, but he's certainly our best central midfielder by a distance. He's probably our best right midfielder by an even bigger distance, and unquestionably if he was selected there, our best right back as well.

Keane will settle in a play much better than he currently is, and if and when that happens he may well challenge Gerrards position as the best we've got by a distance at playing off Torres. Though I think it's a crime to see him play there, he's a far better bet than Yossi Benayoun or Ryan Babel at left midfield, although you would hope that Riera with the fact that he's actually left footed maybe able to become an improvement.

I've no doubt that Reina is a better goalkeeper, and I wouldn't have thought Gerrard would make much of a left back. He could almost certainly though play centre half, and may well do so when he gets older. If he were to do it now (not that he will obviously), he would probably challenge whoever is currently our best centre back for the right to be called that. He isn't better than Torres either as a centre forward.

So in conclusion, definately our best central or right midfielder or right back, with losts of options and possibilties throughout the team. Top player at the club by a country mile.
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Postby Toffeehater » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:52 am

Steven gerrard deserves to retire as a red , he's our best player in the squad right now , possibly the most versatile bar kuyt :D . The thing is wherever you play stevie he will give you a 100% effort . I think rafa should respect his wishes and play him in the center like he has doing so far this season . Capello can fuc..k right off if he keeps insisting on lampard playing in the middle , doing fuc.k all and sacrificing stevie to another position . We should not be looking to sell stevie as no one is good enough to replace him , sure we can bring in at most 2 players , chelea bid 40 million and thats not a lot for him , we want silly money and lets face it , the only team who would pay more than 5o to 70 million at the moment is man city . Keep stevie , he's a proven player , a scouser , plays for the shirt , one of the top 5 players in the world . Stevie and carragher deserve a premier league trophy and dully hope they get at least 1 before retiring as it would be a waste that 2 great players have won almost everything except the premier league trophy . We need funds if we are to challenge and funds only DIC can provide , if that does not work or we do poorly this season than i think its time for rafa to walk , as clearly he's not th right man for the job , 5 seasons and still nothing , whats the point in keeping him , just based on that win against Ac Milan , and a few good champions league runs , he can't do it in the premier league . If there is a player's revolt , reina , torres want to leave than so be it , no one is bigger than the club , makes you wonder if they are playing at the club because of the manager or the club .
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Postby bigmick » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:33 am

Toffeehater wrote:We need funds if we are to challenge and funds only DIC can provide , if that does not work or we do poorly this season than i think its time for rafa to walk , as clearly he's not th right man for the job , 5 seasons and still nothing , whats the point in keeping him , just based on that win against Ac Milan , and a few good champions league runs , he can't do it in the premier league . If there is a player's revolt , reina , torres want to leave than so be it , no one is bigger than the club , makes you wonder if they are playing at the club because of the manager or the club .

I'm all for broadening the discussion Toffs, but there are a couple of threads with this sort of stuff going on in them already mate.

Appreciate your point though about both Stevie and Carra, it would be a terrible shame if having given so much to the club they never ever won the league.
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Postby Bad Bob » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:50 am

“Rafa told me, when the Robbie Keane deal went through, that his plan was to play Keane behind [Fernando] Torres and to drop me back to play centrally. I know Rafa Benitez better than most people now and in some games he’ll ask me to play different roles, but he knows what I prefer.”


Interesting comment, that.  If true, then it looks like Rafa is very much thinking 4-4-2 this term rather than 4-2-3-1.  I just can't see him playing Gerrard as part of the "2" because he doesn't always seem to trust Gerrard defensively and I think he sees the "2" as providing the defensive platform for the four lads ahead of them (and fullbacks on the overlap) to build upon.  Or, I'm misreading that and he will be looking to play Gerrard as part of the "2".  It doesn't sound, though, like Rafa's got plans (or has told Gerrard about plans) to play him out wide, which I know a lot of people saw as a preferable option to Kuyt.  With Pennant bombed out and Gerrard in a central role, then, I guess we'll be seeing a fair bit of Kuyt at RM--no doubt with cameos from Babel and Yossi as well, provided Riera makes LM his own.  Why does that fail to give me confidence? :(
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