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sissoko has made some nasty challenges
i'm not saying they were career threating like
the one essien done or the ones michael brown
does but they were still late and quite dangerous.
still hes a good player who im sure will become
a great player. im stil struggling to see where
these vieria comparisons are coming from though

[5 stars]

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Last night Galatasaray wouldn't have been able to feed the ball out to the wings with such success, if Sissoko was in the middle. Momo plays futher up the pitch winning the ball back, stopping attack before they start. We find it harder to kept possession, when he's not playing.

I would prefer to see Gerrard start on the right, he will be in a free-role, and he can drift in to the middle, without having the defensive duties he would have playing in the middle.

Because Sissoko is breaking up attacks before they happen, there is less of a threat of the opposition getting in behind our fullbacks and whipping crosses in. So even though Finnan will be more exposed, when Gerrard drifts into the middle, they will find it difficult to start attacks.

[Redman in wales]

I think its an easy decision who i'd rather have in my team. Sissoko wins hands down over Hamann, I like Hamann but Sissoko wins in every aspect of playing except goal scoring. Which I personally don't think is necessary for someone in his position.

I can see Sissoko getting a club award this year.

how times have changed..... 

[Scottbot]

The lad is obviously having a mare at the moment and his confidence looks shot to pieces. He looked devastated when his number went up so early last night and i feel for him right now. However, he's a MUCH better player than he's showing at the moment and a few people would do good to remember that before posting some of the stuff i've been seeing on here the past few weeks.

[Stu.Murph]

As people well know I have been a Sissoko advocate from the beginning, lest not forget the numerous Stu the red conversations where I argued that Sissoko could be as good if not better than Vieira. Love to think what he'd have to say now?

Funnily enough Exactly the same as I said in the beginning...

[Ace Ventura]

Rafa's not helping him imo, we played Boro at home last night, some might say thats the type of game where he can build his confidence, but not if he is playing in the attacking midfielders role.
He was picking the ball up in and around the Middlesbrough box and looked clueless, he cannot play that position (when we are dominant in posession, and looking to break sides down)
He is ok in that position breaking up play against the better sides because we are picking the ball up in dangerous positions.
But last night he was playing the role Gerrard should of been playing, he cant pick the ball up in the final third and spot a pass or look to shoot, as his shooting is poor and so is his vision.
I would leave him out for a while tbh, it might sound harsh but he is a young lad, and will learn. Also we have so many options to persevere with him would be silly imo AT THIS POINT AND TIME.

[bigmick]

He'll come back, the good ones always do 

[Stu.Murph]

Mick, the fact is mate, I stand by what I said from the off. Not once (as with Carragher, Baros, Finnan etc) my opinion of the players ability changed.

Why is it that everyone elses has? Look what SouthCoast****end said to me, trying to make me look an idiot because I disagreed he wasn't the new Vieira... who looks the idiot for making that comparrison now?

[kop king]

I don't agree with Rafa playing Momo i think he is very good in the big games but when we are palying the teams like Boro we need to play Mascherano and Gerrard and Alonso where we can play quality football and play effective football. Momo has only one good attribute and that is his break up play but his first touch snd pasing has been awful recently. He is an on/off player has one good game and then is rubbish the next, where he will give away silly free-kicks and he picks up silly yellow cards.

[bigmick]

I'm well aware Stu that you haven't changed your mind. It's one of your most endearing and at the same time annoying traits that you tend to stick to your guns, fair play to you for it  . I think the thing is with sissoko which I'm finding a little odd is that if you look through the thread, many people rated the fella and those same fans are now ready to ship him out on the back of some admittedly dodgy performances.
He never was and never will be the new Viera, (he plays a completely different game anyway) but I stick by my impressions of him which I had after his first dozen or so games when he went up a level. He has done enough in my eyes to convince me anyway that he can become a fantastic midfielder. Those waiting for finesse on the ball, vision or silky touches are in for a long wait, but what he does he does better than anyone else in my opinion. See I tend to stick to me guns as well mate, and like yerself i'm not too fussed about being in the minority.

[Stu.Murph]

Why the fuck should i say something that isn't true to please the majority of clueless bastards who don't know there from there elbow when it comes to football on a fucking internet forum?

In 5 years time, i'll be proven right and you'll all be telling me i guessed, then after that, i'll say it again after another player and you'll again start slating me.

I've been slated in the past for saying Fowler was still a good player.

Carragher was an oustanding defender and very good player.

Finnan was good enough to play for Liverpool but lacked confidence.

Hyypia wasn't past it.

Baros wasn't good enough.

Ashton would make a top quality premiership player.

Jermaine Defoe would become an excellent player.

Robbie Keane was good enough to play in the premier league.

Kevin Phillips would score goals in the premier league.

I've heard it all before, i've seen it millions of times. If you could make great players out of .

Akinbiyi, strong as , great pace, aggressive and has bottle. All he needs is a bit of game intelligence and a good first touch... So why hasn't he become a world class player? He's got the base attributes...

You either have it, or you don't. You can't make diamonds from .
Anyone who knows the sport will back that up. I'm actually suprised that Mick hasn't pointed this out in the past as he's one of the few on here with a clue.

At at the end of it all, i'll be proven right, yet next time, you'll still tell me i don't know what i'm talking about when i clearly do. So shove your "opinions" up your .

Don't you just love an aggressive post?

[Stu.Murph]

I'm well aware Stu that you haven't changed your mind. It's one of your most endearing and at the same time annoying traits that you tend to stick to your guns, fair play to you for it  . I think the thing is with sissoko which I'm finding a little odd is that if you look through the thread, many people rated the fella and those same fans are now ready to ship him out on the back of some admittedly dodgy performances.
He never was and never will be the new Viera, (he plays a completely different game anyway) but I stick by my impressions of him which I had after his first dozen or so games when he went up a level. He has done enough in my eyes to convince me anyway that he can become a fantastic midfielder. Those waiting for finesse on the ball, vision or silky touches are in for a long wait, but what he does he does better than anyone else in my opinion. See I tend to stick to me guns as well mate, and like yerself i'm not too fussed about being in the minority.

Mick the point is though mate if you go back to the start I state my opinions of him. I clearly say numorous times he's a good player. But limited. I got called alsorts for saying he'll never be world class.

He won't. He's proving it now and is again proving my ability to judge a players potential/ability accurate.

I stand by what I said, he's a good player who's useful and I would definately have him in the squad. He's not however the sort of player who'd win you a league title. Much like Peter Crouch.

[Ace Ventura]

I'm well aware Stu that you haven't changed your mind. It's one of your most endearing and at the same time annoying traits that you tend to stick to your guns, fair play to you for it  . I think the thing is with sissoko which I'm finding a little odd is that if you look through the thread, many people rated the fella and those same fans are now ready to ship him out on the back of some admittedly dodgy performances.
He never was and never will be the new Viera, (he plays a completely different game anyway) but I stick by my impressions of him which I had after his first dozen or so games when he went up a level. He has done enough in my eyes to convince me anyway that he can become a fantastic midfielder. Those waiting for finesse on the ball, vision or silky touches are in for a long wait, but what he does he does better than anyone else in my opinion. See I tend to stick to me guns as well mate, and like yerself i'm not too fussed about being in the minority.

Would you be playing him at home to Boro though Mick ?
And with Mascherano behind him, meaning that Momo was effectively our attacking midfielder ?

[Stu.Murph]

At at the end of it all, i'll be proven right, yet next time, you'll still tell me i don't know what i'm talking about when i clearly do.

In fairness stu I wouldn't tell you you don't know what you're talking about because you clearly do. Nobody's right all the time tho' mate, not even me    .
Without getting embroiled into this "will he ever be World-class" stuff which is a nonentity as far as a sensible argument goes, what do you think about my notion that he is unique amongst ball-winning midfielders in that he hunts the ball throughout the whole area of the pitch? He's by no means the first ball hunter to have a big engine, but his willingness to go into areas like the channels, or either defensive wings and gamble upon his recovery rate to regain position is a new one on me.
My suspicion is that we are only seeing about 60% of his capability at the moment. Whether the finished article will be class, World-class or simply good is a moot point. That he will be massively influential to the outcome of many games is a certainty though I reckon.
I agree with you on the other thread when you said Alonso was MOM today. I do think though, and I'm sure you'll agree that the perpetual motion that was Sissoko gave the likes of Alonso the platform on which to perform.

Sissoko is a good player. I've said it time and time again. He's very different to what i've seen before in a ball winner Mick.

I just find it laughable when people say, if only he could be world class at this he'll be world class because he's young that means he can.

It doesn't.

Look at Owen and Pongolle. Similar players, from day one it was obvious Sinama would NEVER reach Owen's class.

Baros, again OBVIOUS he'd NEVER reach even Anelka's class, the amount of people i had telling me he was better than Anelka and Owen is rediculous.

Sissoko is a good player. He's part of a good team. There are certain things that NEED to ironed out, but those that think he'll improve in every area of the game by 10%-15% are pathetically deluded.

Its fans like these that will look at our team in games and wonder how on earth we didn't do this or that when we have the great Sissoko, Gerrard and Alonso in midfield.

Mick, you've proved on here loads mate you can see things in the game, look at his alround game and tell me he's not limited and has loads of class attributes.

Then think about the fact that maybe he's a good but limited player playing in a side that suits him and compliments him well and he's excellent at doing his job.

For me, he's not got much more ability than Crouch as a player.

[Bad Bob]

Those waiting for finesse on the ball, vision or silky touches are in for a long wait, but what he does he does better than anyone else in my opinion.

I won't disagree with that statement, mate, but, save for a handful of games against top, top sides--games where it is fundamentally important to break their rhythm--do you think Sissoko's a good enough all rounder to get a game for us...particularly given our other options in central midfield? 

As I've said in the other thread, I'm no longer convinced he is and it's down to that first part of your sentence.  There are very few games over the course of a season where I think we can afford to sacrifice finesse on the ball etc. in favour of out and out destruction.  Moreover, Mascherano is coming on in leaps and bounds and, provided we sign him permanently, he offers a good deal of Momo's destructive game with a lot more in his locker going forward.