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[LFC2007]

He took the Inter job, and to be honest, no matter who took that job on, they were always going to be doomed to the same fate.

Course they were fella. 

Or should I say, anyone who took the Liverpool job was doomed to the same fate as Roy. The squad he inherited was sh!t, aging, without the necessary investment and those in the sqaud who aren't sh!t have been ravaged by injury. Moreover, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow and fecking Parry. There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop our decline, ain't that right fellas? 

[Igor Zidane]

From what I read, talks were planned. Rafa was in Liverpool when he got the jing. So, like his previous job, he got the news whilst on holiday.

he could have went to liverpool - sorry Caldy after speaking about something so important directly with the chairman.
Its typical Rafa and he chose to do it that way, as always.

No clue what jing means by the way.

He went to caldy , where his house is because it was the winter break in seria a . No big shakes there then . He gave a reporter a cuppa ,who was standing outside his house waiting for a  quote . He got nowt but a cup of tea. Rafa was taking the p!ss ben , and if you can't see that then like i said you've got yourself so tied up with this anti rafa malarky you just see the bad in everything rafa does. What i don't understand is how you've ended up so twisted in your view of him you can't just see it for what it is. Was Liverpool finishing 7th really that big a such a thing that it's wiped out all the good that rafa did for Liverpool and it's people .

Yep i can understand you thought he messed up last year and he had to go and maybe you didn't like his tacticts or subs or rotation . Why be so totally blinded with your dislike of the man that you can't see the positives he brought to the club far far outwieghed the negatives . Did he offend you personally in some way ben ?

[Emerald Red]

He took the Inter job, and to be honest, no matter who took that job on, they were always going to be doomed to the same fate.

Course they were fella. 

Or should I say, anyone who took the Liverpool job was doomed to the same fate as Roy. The squad he inherited was sh!t, aging, without the necessary investment and those in the sqaud who aren't sh!t have been ravaged by injury. Moreover, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow and fecking Parry. There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop our decline, ain't that right fellas? 

When did you turn into Big Mick?

Anyway, could you see another manager going there and winning the treble? I think no. What about you?

[7_Kewell]

I don't see anything wrong with having the balls to issue an ultimatum to the chairman of a club? It's clear that if anyone wanting to do a job isn't being given the means to do so is well within their right to make it clear of their views? Any manager with a bit of an ego would do the same. He could be worse. He could be the arrogant sort that thinks he's untouchable and doing the best job he can possibly do. Anyway, he got his answer. He wasn't backed.  Sooner or later, the next manager that comes to Inter is going to have to do the same thing Rafa has done and that's ask to be backed in the transfer window. It's an aged squad that's been hit with injuries. Our situation has been like that for a few years now, and that's wher Rafa made the mistakes. However, look at the owners we had.

wasn't backed?  He had one of the best teams in Italy...he also KNEW that Inter had large debts and he wouldn't be able to  buy anyone BEFORE he took charge.

Add the fact he was doing just as bad as Roy at Inter, and issining ultimatums looks foolish to me. Almost as foolish as spouting on about bottles of milk and cracking up at a Champions league press conference at Spurs.

Rafa should have been given longer at Inter, but his massive ego ensured it wouldn't be the case.

[Ben Patrick]

From what I read, talks were planned. Rafa was in Liverpool when he got the jing. So, like his previous job, he got the news whilst on holiday.

he could have went to liverpool - sorry Caldy after speaking about something so important directly with the chairman.
Its typical Rafa and he chose to do it that way, as always.

No clue what jing means by the way.

He went to caldy , where his house is because it was the winter break in seria a . No big shakes there then . He gave a reporter a cuppa ,who was standing outside his house waiting for a  quote . He got nowt but a cup of tea. Rafa was taking the p!ss ben , and if you can't see that then like i said you've got yourself so tied up with this anti rafa malarky you just see the bad in everything rafa does. What i don't understand is how you've ended up so twisted in your view of him you can't just see it for what it is. Was Liverpool finishing 7th really that big a such a thing that it's wiped out all the good that rafa did for Liverpool and it's people .

Yep i can understand you thought he messed up last year and he had to go and maybe you didn't like his tacticts or subs or rotation . Why be so totally blinded with your dislike of the man that you can't see the positives he brought to the club far far outwieghed the negatives . Did he offend you personally in some way ben ?

my honest opinion is he is out for himself.
sorry if you and loads of others think different.
It was a lovely gesture the charity donations, i havent criticised them.
I have no problem at all with him coming to his home whenever he feels.

But i do feel that the cup of tea thing was to get himself in the papers and on the news, maybe to wind moratti up, but still another agenda other than giving someone a cup of tea.
I dont hate him.

I do hate that people still love him.
I also hate that he cannot be criticised at all but people like Aldo who do criticise him can get abused to feck.
To be frank i dont get it, and it bothers me.
That's the best i can do.

[Ben Patrick]

He took the Inter job, and to be honest, no matter who took that job on, they were always going to be doomed to the same fate.

Course they were fella. 

Or should I say, anyone who took the Liverpool job was doomed to the same fate as Roy. The squad he inherited was sh!t, aging, without the necessary investment and those in the sqaud who aren't sh!t have been ravaged by injury. Moreover, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow and fecking Parry. There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop our decline, ain't that right fellas? 

When did you turn into Big Mick?

Anyway, could you see another manager going there and winning the treble? I think no. What about you?

i know your post wasnt to me but it just underlines what an achievement another hated manager made last season doesnt it.

And also i dont think anyone expected Rafa to go in and win the treble, just not to be languishing nearer mid table in the league.

[Igor Zidane]

He took the Inter job, and to be honest, no matter who took that job on, they were always going to be doomed to the same fate.

Course they were fella. 

Or should I say, anyone who took the Liverpool job was doomed to the same fate as Roy. The squad he inherited was sh!t, aging, without the necessary investment and those in the sqaud who aren't sh!t have been ravaged by injury. Moreover, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow and fecking Parry. There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop our decline, ain't that right fellas? 

Glad to see your happy with roy then . Jesus christ , did rafa attempt to rape you or somthing . Rafa was the best manager we had since kenny and to attempt to belittle his achievements or to have him as some sort of cr@p manager who squandered millions but never did f.uck all is a sad reflection of your inability to see that we got rid of the wrong man and employed a friggin hasbeen who had done absolutely nothing in comparison .

Major major f.uck that fans who wanted rafa out helped instigate , and that's why you are like the way you are , guilt because you called it wrong and now we are in a right mess.

[LFC2007]

Anyway, could you see another manager going there and winning the treble? I think no. What about you?

Ah, right, so between winning a treble and and being 7th in the table and scraping through to the CL knockout phase, there is absolutely feck all?

No, after first first comes second, after second.. third, fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh. But it's no so much positions as points that matter at this stage, and they are 13 points off the top in their domestic league (yes, with two games in hand). If they were still positioned reasonably well, say within three points of the leaders (who aren't all that), then you could say "fair enough they've had bad injuries....he's done a reasonable job". But they aren't and he hasn't. What's the test? Well, if he was judged by the same standards as Roy (who's taken a team that finished 7th, to within four points of 7th - with a game in hand, and yet who is "hated") then you would say Rafa has "royally fecked it up" at Inter, because of the great disparity between the teams they inherited. I wouldn't expect anyone to be completely unbiased, because by virtue of being human that is not possible, but at least try and keep it sensible.

[Ben Patrick]

He took the Inter job, and to be honest, no matter who took that job on, they were always going to be doomed to the same fate.

Course they were fella. 

Or should I say, anyone who took the Liverpool job was doomed to the same fate as Roy. The squad he inherited was sh!t, aging, without the necessary investment and those in the sqaud who aren't sh!t have been ravaged by injury. Moreover, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow and fecking Parry. There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop our decline, ain't that right fellas? 

Glad to see your happy with roy then . Jesus christ , did rafa attempt to rape you or somthing . Rafa was the best manager we had since kenny and to attempt to belittle his achievements or to have him as some sort of cr@p manager who squandered millions but never did f.uck all is a sad reflection of your inability to see that we got rid of the wrong man and employed a friggin hasbeen who had done absolutely nothing in comparison .

Major major f.uck that fans who wanted rafa out helped instigate , and that's why you are like the way you are , guilt because you called it wrong and now we are in a right mess.

who is to say anyone called it wrong Igor ?

The replacement for Rafa appears to be wrong but correct me if i am mistaken Roy wasnt the name on everyone's lips when we were looking for Rafa's replacement.
But Rafa has since he moved on not done anything at all to prove the people that thought he needed to go, be wrong.
I would say the pigs ear he has made so far of his own job proves people called it right.

His successor looks to be just as poor call as he was for Moratti though.

[Igor Zidane]

my honest opinion is he is out for himself.
sorry if you and loads of others think different.
It was a lovely gesture the charity donations, i havent criticised them.
I have no problem at all with him coming to his home whenever he feels.

But i do feel that the cup of tea thing was to get himself in the papers and on the news, maybe to wind moratti up, but still another agenda other than giving someone a cup of tea.
I dont hate him.

I do hate that people still love him.
I also hate that he cannot be criticised at all but people like Aldo who do criticise him can get abused to feck.
To be frank i dont get it, and it bothers me.
That's the best i can do.

Ben i read a post on another forum that explains why he istill loved by so many . It say's it alot better than i ever could . Ill put it up for you to read .


Here it is from RRR on the rattle.




its not just his management is it though? i can accept that people didnt agree with the his approach sometimes, thats not my problem. my problem is how people cant love him for the media off, ferguson off and openly slating him live on sky, for fighting for the fans, for outing the americans, for sitting down in the semi v chelsea so the people behind him could see the pens, for for donating 96 grand, for everything else he said about hillsborough, for his love for the city, for a having a drink with the fans, for mourihno off, for slating everton time and time again, for bringing us the best nights of our lives, for turning down real madrid numerous times, for signing fernando torres and pepe reina, for bring fowler back, and for dozens of other reasons.

how can people not recognise that he is a LIVERPOOL MANAGER, a man who fought for the fans.a man who didnt give a about anyone else apart from us.

that is what is most important.it goes past his formation or his tactics. its about who he is as a man.

[Thommo's perm]

disagree totally.
why did it have to be done through the press ?
It's happened at all 3 clubs so while i agree that he has a big ego, i dont agree that its a good thing.
There are better ways about going about things than the way he constantly has.
Its never been the Liverpool way but he will get away with it as it was at a time that we were run by the two gobsh!tes.
But like i said he appears to do that everywhere.
What manager gets all they want all of the time ?

Each and every time, it's been neccessary.

not really.
When you manage a club sometimes you have to work with restraints.
And even if i am wrong and Rafa has picked the wrong club 3 out of 3 times, why does everything go through the press ?

Constraints is one thing. Knowing what's round the corner and being denied the means to avoid it is another. Had Benitez been backed by the previous Yanks, we wouldn't be in this mess, and we would almost certainly have a 19th league title or more by now. The man won two titles with an aged and weakened Valencia squad, yet he still wasn't backed there. Well within his rights to make his feelings public. He wasn't backed at us, and was constantly being undermind in the press and by the owners. He was lied to, plain and simple. He took the Inter job, and to be honest, no matter who took that job on, they were always going to be doomed to the same fate. He got them to the next stage of the CL. The side is adrift off the top of the table there, but they still had two games in hand which would put them within 7 points (assuming they won the games in hand). If the manager finds he needs cover for the injured side he's working with, then it's within his rights to feel the need to be backed seeing that he's new to the job. Hodgson seems to think so too.

Two points ER
1. Benitez is an intelligent man. Very intelligent, and he knows the power of the media. Especially how it can influence fans. He does nothing without analysing and thinking about what he does and why and when he does it. That is not conspiracy. It is thought out, pre- planning. But only the most ignorant would not believe that he knows exactly what he is doing when he goes public. He likes to use the media to get his point across in a more powerful way. The irony of it is that when he does this it bites him on the Fu*king ar'se!
2. Not backed at Valencia- goes public-gone
    Not backed at Liverpool- goes public-gone
    Not backed at Inter- goes public-gone
There is a pattern there which is glaringly obvious...

[Igor Zidane]

He took the Inter job, and to be honest, no matter who took that job on, they were always going to be doomed to the same fate.

Course they were fella. 

Or should I say, anyone who took the Liverpool job was doomed to the same fate as Roy. The squad he inherited was sh!t, aging, without the necessary investment and those in the sqaud who aren't sh!t have been ravaged by injury. Moreover, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow, fecking Purslow and fecking Parry. There was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop our decline, ain't that right fellas? 

Glad to see your happy with roy then . Jesus christ , did rafa attempt to rape you or somthing . Rafa was the best manager we had since kenny and to attempt to belittle his achievements or to have him as some sort of cr@p manager who squandered millions but never did f.uck all is a sad reflection of your inability to see that we got rid of the wrong man and employed a friggin hasbeen who had done absolutely nothing in comparison .

Major major f.uck that fans who wanted rafa out helped instigate , and that's why you are like the way you are , guilt because you called it wrong and now we are in a right mess.

who is to say anyone called it wrong Igor ?

The replacement for Rafa appears to be wrong but correct me if i am mistaken Roy wasnt the name on everyone's lips when we were looking for Rafa's replacement.
But Rafa has since he moved on not done anything at all to prove the people that thought he needed to go, be wrong.
I would say the pigs ear he has made so far of his own job proves people called it right.

His successor looks to be just as poor call as he was for Moratti though.

Ben if you sack your manager . You do so to emloy somone better . Did that happen ? No so it was the wrong decision . Or was that it was a case of sack rafa and f.uck what happens next ? Was it who gives a sh.it aslong as rafa is gone ? Is that the way to run a football club?

[Ben Patrick]

my honest opinion is he is out for himself.
sorry if you and loads of others think different.
It was a lovely gesture the charity donations, i havent criticised them.
I have no problem at all with him coming to his home whenever he feels.

But i do feel that the cup of tea thing was to get himself in the papers and on the news, maybe to wind moratti up, but still another agenda other than giving someone a cup of tea.
I dont hate him.

I do hate that people still love him.
I also hate that he cannot be criticised at all but people like Aldo who do criticise him can get abused to feck.
To be frank i dont get it, and it bothers me.
That's the best i can do.

Ben i read a post on another forum that explains why he istill loved by so many . It say's it alot better than i ever could . Ill put it up for you to read .


Here it is from RRR on the rattle.




its not just his management is it though? i can accept that people didnt agree with the his approach sometimes, thats not my problem. my problem is how people cant love him for the media off, ferguson off and openly slating him live on sky, for fighting for the fans, for outing the americans, for sitting down in the semi v chelsea so the people behind him could see the pens, for for donating 96 grand, for everything else he said about hillsborough, for his love for the city, for a having a drink with the fans, for mourihno off, for slating everton time and time again, for bringing us the best nights of our lives, for turning down real madrid numerous times, for signing fernando torres and pepe reina, for bring fowler back, and for dozens of other reasons.

how can people not recognise that he is a LIVERPOOL MANAGER, a man who fought for the fans.a man who didnt give a about anyone else apart from us.

that is what is most important.it goes past his formation or his tactics. its about who he is as a man.

listen mate i can agree with things like that.
it doesnt make me hero worship him though.
I would probably have more admiration for things like that if a decent chunk of our supporters hadnt elevated him to god like status for them.
It might seem petty and even possibly childish but it really bothers me that he is held in that high esteem.
And people like Aldo can be abused for airing their personal view about him.
He isnt shanks ffs.

[7_Kewell]

Ben if you sack your manager . You do so to emloy somone better . Did that happen ? No so it was the wrong decision . Or was that it was a case of sack rafa and f.uck what happens next ? Was it who gives a sh.it aslong as rafa is gone ? Is that the way to run a football club?

clearly the board thought our squad was good enough and all we needed was someone new with some fresh ideas....so they took a gamble on the LMA manager of the year.

The gamble hasn't worked, but bringing Rafa back would be a bad move. Or, as Rushie put it, "a huge step backwards"

[LFC2007]

Glad to see your happy with roy then . Jesus christ , did rafa attempt to rape you or somthing . Rafa was the best manager we had since kenny and to attempt to belittle his achievements or to have him as some sort of cr@p manager who squandered millions but never did f.uck all is a sad reflection of your inability to see that we got rid of the wrong man and employed a friggin hasbeen who had done absolutely nothing in comparison .

Major major f.uck that fans who wanted rafa out helped instigate , and that's why you are like the way you are , guilt because you called it wrong and now we are in a right mess.

You probably got the wrong end of the stick. That post was to say that there was nothing inevitable about our decline, just as there was nothing inevitable about Inter's decline. It was not bound to be the case that whoever took over would have found themselves in 9th and 7th respectively. In common parlence, I am saying that Roy has fecked it upjust as Rafa has fecked it up at Inter. Don't you think that's about right?

On your other point, believe it not, I agree with you that Rafa was our best manager since Kenny, but that's probably one of the main reasons we haven't been anything like as successful as we should have been over that time. It doesn't mean he was a "great" manager though because a great manager would have had us challenging for the title more often than he managed to, but it means he betters the other managers we've had in that period, and we had a couple of good managers.