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[bigmick]

Yes very commendable - shame it wasn't evident with some people with the previous manager

Well the previous manager isn't really relevent to this discussion, but even then I don't agree. From where I was sitting, the previous manager was afforded unconditional support from virtually everybody for his first three or four seasons. Quite right too, Roy deserves exactly the same.

[Thommo's perm]

Yes very commendable - shame it wasn't evident with some people with the previous manager

For Fu'cks sake mate
He had his chance. He won trophies and was backed to the hilt by the fans.
He lost his way and now hes gone
What is the point in being bitter and using it to dismiss and disrespect the new Gaffer?
Its pointless. Theres nothing to be gained. Only things to be lost.
Please, try to accept it and move on for the future of LFC.
Honestly it is a pointless excercise trying to convince people that Hodgsons not up to the job. Back him, support him and if he fu'cks up I will be the first to say hes sh'ite

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I am genuinely pleased that there exists an island, a little secluded spot the more naive like to call "Cloudcuckoo Land "somewhere you can truly believe in Rainbows and lollipops and not have the inconvenience of those nasty fans with their tales of reality that can so hinder your dream like state .... It must be a truly wonderful  place to dwell .... I think I have holidays coming up soon .... maybe we could jump in our ships of choice and  all start rowing and possibly meet halfway ... "Now there's a thought "

It's a shame that you think us improving from where currently are is cloudcuckoo land Red, or that you think anyone who believes it also believes in rainbows and lollipops (I do actually so perhaps that's the nub).

You're right though about it being a wonderful place to dwell, to be able to walk forward with a little bit of hope. I've got plenty of hope. I don't think we'll win the league I'm not silly, but I do think we've got a real chance that our new manager will better the position the previous management left us in. If he does, then we've improved and we going in the right direction.

Some prefer to wollow in woeisme land, the backs of their hands clasped tot heir forheads, stooping, groaning and hiding from bright lights, waiting for armegeddon.


Time will tell mate. You think seventh is the pinnacle of our ambitions, whereas I think we  can do better. Hopefully I'm right and you can rejoin us in the land of positivity again.

I think I mentioned somewhere in my reply meeting halfway if you can possibly take a slight detour from following the  "Yellow Brick Road " that is  Lets face it rowing to a particular destination is a lot harder when you only have one oar it tends to make the ship or boat ( whichever euphemism you wish to include )  go round in circles .....
Hopefully you are right and if that proves to be the case then you have little to worry about 
Like I have already stated Hodgson will get my full backing ... in fact I will definitely be voicing my support when I next sit in the Kop ,but it doesn't alter my opinion that he was what Purslow and Broughton needed and not the fans ... and suddenly we are all expected to bond over this appointment and all acclaim its universal appeal ... so for those of us would sooner reserve judgement and sit in purgatory .(another term completely fashioned with your penchant for wrist slashing and other suicide terms ) whilst certain posters tread softly on fluffy clouds and live in their exclusive little Shangri La ....I will tether my feet to the pavement because whilst it is nice  having your head in the clouds its also equally beneficial to stay slightly grounded and look out for  what your about to step in 
That said time will tell and I will be the first to admit if I was wrong to feel such trepidation, and if my reservations prove to be incorrect I will be beside myself with joy Lad

[jacdaniel]

Because we will still be there when all the phoney tw@ts have long gone. And when I go to meet Shanks and Bob and Joe and every other hero of my life for a game of footy in the sky, my kids and their kids will be singing that song and loving OUR club as long as it exists.

Well, we're in informal administration right now.  The next owner needs to be the right owner.
Another Tom hicks like ownership could be the end of the club.  imagine the debt doubling or trebling?

We cant just sit around thinking the club will always exist.

[Ben Patrick]

Yes very commendable - shame it wasn't evident with some people with the previous manager

For Fu'cks sake mate
He had his chance. He won trophies and was backed to the hilt by the fans.
He lost his way and now hes gone
What is the point in being bitter and using it to dismiss and disrespect the new Gaffer?
Its pointless. Theres nothing to be gained. Only things to be lost.
Please, try to accept it and move on for the future of LFC.
Honestly it is a pointless excercise trying to convince people that Hodgsons not up to the job. Back him, support him and if he fu'cks up I will be the first to say hes sh'ite

In the words of the fonz, exactamundo !!

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Yes very commendable - shame it wasn't evident with some people with the previous manager

Well the previous manager isn't really relevent to this discussion, but even then I don't agree. From where I was sitting, the previous manager was afforded unconditional support from virtually everybody for his first three or four seasons. Quite right too, Roy deserves exactly the same.

What makes you conclude that Hodgson will not receive unconditional support Mick  ? ... that assumption takes something away from the fans that make this team so special ,wouldn't you agree mate  Hodgson will get the support at Anfield and I hope that Old Stadium  rocks to his name but it will not eradicate the nagging doubts over our future ,and that makes the  forum  the ideal vessel to air these reservations

[bigmick]

Fair enough Red. Like I say I aren't thinking we're gonna win the league or anything, even I aren't that daft. I even think qualifying for the Champions League is a big ask now Man City have emerged (in fairness it has been a minimum requirement for much of the previous decade once England got four places but you definately couldn't say that now). Obviously if we sell some of our best players it becomes even harder, so there's no la-la cloud sitting from this direction.

Neither though IMHO is there any need for some of the stuff which has been posted on here over the last few weeks IMHO, which has been hugely disrespectful to the new manager before he's made a signing or even been in charge of a pre season game. Those of us who think he actually might do pretty well aren't in la la land, we're just hoping for the best.

The reality of course will be somewhere in the middle of what everyone thinks. He won't get us relegated, or get us to finish 14th, and neither will we be second and do the FA Cup/Carling Cup double. The likelyhood I think is that we will play better than we did last season, and improve by a place or two in the league. Equally as we're due a bit of luck, we might get a good cup run or two and perhaps play at the new national stadium.

This won't settle any arguments of course because there are those who will say that we would have made the same improvement with the previous management left in place anyway. It's hard to argue with that assessment as of course it can't be proven either way, but for now I'm hopeful that Royston, Arbuthnot, Xavier Hodgson will prove a few people wrong.

Essentially though there is no point anyone getting overly worked up about it as we'll all know one way or another fairly soon.

[Ben Patrick]

Yes very commendable - shame it wasn't evident with some people with the previous manager

Well the previous manager isn't really relevent to this discussion, but even then I don't agree. From where I was sitting, the previous manager was afforded unconditional support from virtually everybody for his first three or four seasons. Quite right too, Roy deserves exactly the same.

What makes you conclude that Hodgson will not receive unconditional support Mick  ? ... that assumption takes something away from the fans that make this team so special ,wouldn't you agree mate  Hodgson will get the support at Anfield and I hope that Old Stadium  rocks to his name but it will not eradicate the nagging doubts over our future ,and that makes the  forum  the ideal vessel to air these reservations

I dont think he means at the ground mate.

He means from what i can tell, that people are already complaining about him and he hasnt even played a game yet.

Some people appear to be sort of hoping he fails, just so they can say i told you so.

Not suggesting for one minute you are one of these people by the way.

[bigmick]

Yes very commendable - shame it wasn't evident with some people with the previous manager

Well the previous manager isn't really relevent to this discussion, but even then I don't agree. From where I was sitting, the previous manager was afforded unconditional support from virtually everybody for his first three or four seasons. Quite right too, Roy deserves exactly the same.

What makes you conclude that Hodgson will not receive unconditional support Mick  ? ... that assumption takes something away from the fans that make this team so special ,wouldn't you agree mate  Hodgson will get the support at Anfield and I hope that Old Stadium  rocks to his name but it will not eradicate the nagging doubts over our future ,and that makes the  forum  the ideal vessel to air these reservations

The forum has always been the ideal place for reservations about the manager red, whoever he is. That's why I wouldn't dream of calling people a lesser fan if they don't buy into the new manager as much as me. I wouldn't dream of telling them to feck off and support somebody else if they are nervous about his appointment, nor would I acuse anyone of hoping the team loses so they can be proven right.

Those who are unsure about the manager are entirely IMHO within their rights to say so. Whether or not they are entitled to accuse those who do believe in him as living in la la land however is perhaps not so clear cut .

[Paul C]

Yes very commendable - shame it wasn't evident with some people with the previous manager

Well the previous manager isn't really relevent to this discussion, but even then I don't agree. From where I was sitting, the previous manager was afforded unconditional support from virtually everybody for his first three or four seasons. Quite right too, Roy deserves exactly the same.

Bang on, really winds me up the negative things that have been said before the guy has made any signing or the team have even kicked a ball, I realise that 3 of the main players are looking to leave but is that Hodgson's fault? no it's not if anything it's down to the precious Rafa who could do no wrong in some people's eyes. 

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Fair enough Red. Like I say I aren't thinking we're gonna win the league or anything, even I aren't that daft. I even think qualifying for the Champions League is a big ask now Man City have emerged (in fairness it has been a minimum requirement for much of the previous decade once England got four places but you definately couldn't say that now). Obviously if we sell some of our best players it becomes even harder, so there's no la-la cloud sitting from this direction.

Neither though IMHO is there any need for some of the stuff which has been posted on here over the last few weeks IMHO, which has been hugely disrespectful to the new manager before he's made a signing or even been in charge of a pre season game. Those of us who think he actually might do pretty well aren't in la la land, we're just hoping for the best.

The reality of course will be somewhere in the middle of what everyone thinks. He won't get us relegated, or get us to finish 14th, and neither will we be second and do the FA Cup/Carling Cup double. The likelyhood I think is that we will play better than we did last season, and improve by a place or two in the league. Equally as we're due a bit of luck, we might get a good cup run or two and perhaps play at the new national stadium.

This won't settle any arguments of course because there are those who will say that we would have made the same improvement with the previous management left in place anyway. It's hard to argue with that assessment as of course it can't be proven either way, but for now I'm hopeful that Royston, Arbuthnot, Xavier Hodgson will prove a few people wrong.

Essentially though there is no point anyone getting overly worked up about it as we'll all know one way or another fairly soon.

Thou aren't daft Michael ...( I actually like that one    )
One-upmanship where would we be without it
All joking aside mate the people I would most like Hodgson to prove wrong is  Purslow and Broughton and if he became the proverbial fly in the ointment ..... if that proves to be the case then Roy's name  will be legend .... because then he will be truly one of us fighting the same fight

[taff]

We, the forum will never agee regarding Benitez and his worth to the club.  On that score Im with Redbeergoggles.  Bt he has gone an its time to move on an support Roy.  The owner situation is like an Albatrossaround our necks and I fully understand the hesitation to ge 100% behind Roy.

But he strikes me as a true footballing man and I pray he has success with us, although we are in te situation that we are in and at some point he has to show the fans that he is with us even if players leave etc or he does run the risk of being seen as a patsy.

These are treachorous times and I hope he is as genuine and passionate as he seems

He wont win the cl in his first season mind you   

[Benny The Noon]

Hodgsons Win Draw Lose record over the years from 1990 as cant see the ones before hand
              Games     Won     Drew    Lost    Win %
Xamax      72     29       27        16      40.28
Swiss       41     21       10   10    51.22
Inter        86    38       25   23    44.19
Blackburn  62     22       18   22    35.48
Inter        3            2          1         0       66.67
Zurich      36    14       12 10    38.89
Copen      35    18       12    5    51.43
Udinese    17     7        5           5    41.18
UAE         17    4        6    7    23.53
Viking       38    16         10        12     42.11
Finland     22    6           11         5      27.27
Fulham     127        50         32        45      39.37

Honours

4 Swedish titles - two in the 70s and two in the 80s
6 swedish cups
1 Danish Title and 1 danish supercup


Now looking at that it doesnt scream improvement and success on a big scale - its obvious that he has done very well in swedish football but im sorry that to me doesnt scream out outstanding manager and one to take us forward .

Once again he will get full support and hope he does prove the doubters wrong but looking at the record you can see why people have doubts about his appointment .

[Bad Bob]

Hodgsons Win Draw Lose record over the years from 1990 as cant see the ones before hand
              Games     Won     Drew    Lost    Win %
Xamax      72     29       27        16      40.28
Swiss       41     21       10   10    51.22
Inter        86    38       25   23    44.19
Blackburn  62     22       18   22    35.48
Inter        3            2          1         0       66.67
Zurich      36    14       12 10    38.89
Copen      35    18       12    5    51.43
Udinese    17     7        5           5    41.18
UAE         17    4        6    7    23.53
Viking       38    16         10        12     42.11
Finland     22    6           11         5      27.27
Fulham     127        50         32        45      39.37

Honours

4 Swedish titles - two in the 70s and two in the 80s
6 swedish cups
1 Danish Title and 1 danish supercup


Now looking at that it doesnt scream improvement and success on a big scale - its obvious that he has done very well in swedish football but im sorry that to me doesnt scream out outstanding manager and one to take us forward .

Once again he will get full support and hope he does prove the doubters wrong but looking at the record you can see why people have doubts about his appointment .

I wonder what Wenger's CV looked like before he took over at Arsenal?

[Benny The Noon]

Hodgsons Win Draw Lose record over the years from 1990 as cant see the ones before hand
              Games     Won     Drew    Lost    Win %
Xamax      72     29       27        16      40.28
Swiss       41     21       10   10    51.22
Inter        86    38       25   23    44.19
Blackburn  62     22       18   22    35.48
Inter        3            2          1         0       66.67
Zurich      36    14       12 10    38.89
Copen      35    18       12    5    51.43
Udinese    17     7        5           5    41.18
UAE         17    4        6    7    23.53
Viking       38    16         10        12     42.11
Finland     22    6           11         5      27.27
Fulham     127        50         32        45      39.37

Honours

4 Swedish titles - two in the 70s and two in the 80s
6 swedish cups
1 Danish Title and 1 danish supercup


Now looking at that it doesnt scream improvement and success on a big scale - its obvious that he has done very well in swedish football but im sorry that to me doesnt scream out outstanding manager and one to take us forward .

Once again he will get full support and hope he does prove the doubters wrong but looking at the record you can see why people have doubts about his appointment .

I wonder what Wenger's CV looked like before he took over at Arsenal?

Had only been a manager for 12 years before he went to arsenal -After poor record with Nancy won the french title in his first season with monaco and french cup in 3rd then left to go to japan and won the title and cup there before moving onto to Arsenal